linux_learner

ya know, if yall would quit being so biased, and follow what i'm saying. it'd be simple. were not talking about how it handles rpms. why? cause rpms are rpms. we are all using an rpm system. what we are talking about is the power of the tool. http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/eggnbacon/docs/urpmi-howto/ http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howt...n.html#contents (yes i know its a debian site, but the howto still applies)

i say its superior because it has alot more options than urpmi ever did/does. thats my point. it handles rpms just like urpmi as far as the installation. but as far as the tool itself. a ton more options.

wrong. yast does resolve deps. yes i did have urpmi set up right. plf and cooker. and i always picked the fastest mirrors available for me. dont prejudge me. i know what i'm doing. the first time i used apt, i didnt like it much. now that i have done my homework on it (and been using suse since 9.0), i do understand. it is more powerfull. i can get all my rpms straight from yast. infact, when you do an ftp install, what program is called upon? yast. i use yast to upgrade my entire system. say for example to 9.2. i can set up yast, just like you'd set up gurpmi. infact i have it that way :P your understanding of yast is lacking.

umm no, i got that right off the apt4rpm site. check it out yourself. they did compare apt to urpmi in the faq's. so no. you are incorrect. i was talking merely about apt and the power of apt compared to urpmi. http://apt4rpm.sourceforge.net/ see the faq's Gowator not sure what you mean here. yast is different from apt or urpmi. in order to add it to yast, you need a file that says this content directory.yast media.1 RPMS setup http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/suser-guru/rpm/9.2/ so to set this up in yast it would be http://ftp.gwdg.de and for dir on server pub/linux/misc/suser-guru/rpm/9.2/ yast doesnt use hdlist like mdk. synaptic is merely the gui to apt. thats it. just like gurpmi is the gui to urpmi. one other thing to compare here, red-carpet/open-carpet. red-carpet/open-carpet is also alot like synaptic, and yes you can add sources to it as you would for synaptic. i have done this, and made red-carpet just as powerfull if not more so, than synaptic. if i were going to compare anything to rpm, it'd be deb. but since i have never successfully installed debian, then i cant compare. what i can compare is apt to urpmi. i have used urpmi, and i have used apt4rpm. aparently, yall missed what i was saying. stop and think about this for a sec. how can i compare apt to rpm, when i am on an rpm system and always have been? so obviously i am talking about apt compared to urpmi. there still is no comparison to apt. it just flat out beats urpmi.

apt has alot more options than urpmi. apt is a more powerfull tool. as to your experience, 64 bit applications arent as available as 32 bit is. you can set the server for 64 bit mirrors. http://apt4rpm.sourceforge.net/ mandrake repositories look at the features, then read the howto. faq's are good to. i dont want to quote the whole site. so go and read for yourself. linuxjournal says this about apt http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6672 and http://www.spack.org/wiki/UsingApt?action=...edirect=AptHelp tell me urpmi can compete with that. it cant. this can be used in conjunction with urpmi. but with all this....why? as you can see there are mandrake repositories. and apt4rpm was ported and developed by conectiva. mandrake just bought conectiva.

http://opensource.nchc.org.tw/mandrake/apt/mandrake/

just a quick comment here. i have been using linux for 6 or 7 years, and i remember the days when i was a newbie. when i go to give help to a newbie, i try whenever i can to use the gui approach. windows users are generally more comfortable with a gui, so i show them that the things they did in windows can be done in linux pretty much the same way. just a different lay out. i had a friend over from work the other day, whom i had been telling about my linux system. when i showed him my system, i did not show him the command line. i showed him the gui. the control center and how its similar to the windows control pannel. the last thing i want to do, is scare some newbie off.

i'm thinking it could be hanging on mounting the file systems (unlikely, but it can happen), or hanging on the detection of usb devices. i saw this happen with conectiva. i would disconnect all usb devices and rerun the install. see what happens. also check the md5sum of the cd.

kicker, however, can be compared to the windows taskbar. i wouldnt go into the explanation of where in kicker the taskbar is until they have grasped the windows taskbar. then i'd do the similarities and differences. http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default....ing/taskbar.asp also see http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/t/taskbar.htm and http://www.linux.cu/documentos/RedHat/gsg/...e60-taskbar.htm http://www.hk8.org/old_web/linux/lnut/ch16_02.htm http://docs.kde.org/en/3.3/kdebase/kicker/configuring.html http://docs.kde.org/en/3.3/kdebase/kicker/...r-settings.html

actually yes, they have tried it. it was Kerberos. another was INS, which windows users know as WINS. how about the true type fonts? yep. true type fonts are adobe's, so i dont think its gpl'd.

actually linux has been arround since windows 3.1 multi-media (1991). it did have X and some WM's, but nothing like today. rpm's and linuxconf hadnt been developed yet. certainly no urpmi, apt, emerge or what not had not been developed. linux has made some real efforts in the past five years to become more user friendly. back in 1991 and until recently alot of gui tools were either not available or hadnt been developed. today we have yast, or mcc, whatever your distro uses (similar to the windows control panel). i suppose the hard part in linux can be gettting things to "work". most often its a config script. thats the bigest hurdle for windows users to cross. that and dependancies. (which is why apt, urpmi, emerge and so on make a huge difference).

stupidity, the never ending saga.

1. you have a winmodem, which means you need the driver. this is true even in windows (just the driver comes with windows) 2. you need to know your chipset, as drivers are or arent provided according to chipset. 3. go to http://linmodems.org/ and follow all the instructions. (note to mods or admin: this should probably be moved to either hardware or software. please and thank you).

indeed i do

i got my start over some five years ago. at that time i was relatively new to windows. crashing it regularly due to user error. i hadnt even heard of NT, and didnt know what NTFS was. all i knew was DOS, win3.1, win95, win98. even then i was into security. wanting to know how to secure my machine, even though i knew nothing about viruses, spyware, worms, and trojans. a guy at work was into linux and introduced me to linux. i would see it running on his machine, and i thought it was cool. (i also used to pronounce gnome as G-nome (hard G)). i went out and bought slackware 7.1. found out later that that wasnt a n00by friendly distro. i did end up calling tech support for help with the install, only to find out i was making it to complicated. i did end up going back to windows (ME). then i tried mdk, and a whole bunch of others. but back then there was no urpmi. no apt, yum, swarget, emerge and so on. so chasing down deps was a real nightmare, and a good way to hose your system. so again i went back to windows (XP). my wife had been watching me, and yes i was trying to convert her (even though i didnt know what the hell i was doing). she had determined linux was to hard. it was windows itself that actually converted her. she got tired of windows acting the way it does. she got so tired of it, she considered learning programming so she could program windows to do what she wanted. then she found out windows is closed source. she said "get me into linux!". i was so surprised, i held off for 3 days. then set up a dual boot system. we rarely went into windows, and finally windows just died. now we're straight linux.

yeah i know, but still freaky your browser gives that much out.

the symatec site only scans windows (makes sense ya know). the other two are good though. here is one that may freak you out a bit. http://browsercheck.qualys.com/index.php if you wish to attempt the tests, like a cookie test, then you'll need to change your user agent to IE 6 on winXP. heres the results of mine with my UA set to IE 6: i edited out the ip address. the results are similar under linux. it just cant hack linux

this isnt a question of mandrake security. as mandrake is linux. there are a number of things that can be done to tighten security. a good rule of thumb is, turn off any services you dont need. i did write a "linux security overview" in the FAQ section of this site. give that a look and you'll understand alot more. linux isnt like windows. to go into more detail, i might as well write a thesis. the security overview will give you some good information though. how deep you want to go is up to you.

this has my vote. way up.

> rpm -qa evolution* evolution-data-server-1.0.3.0.200501050941-0.snap.novell.9.1 evolution-2.0.3.0.200501050941-0.snap.novell.9.1 evolution-pilot-2.0.3.0.200501041641-0.snap.novell.9.1

ok, in 1.4 and 1.5 evolution had calander, notes, tasks, a sumary thing that had news and weather. 2.0.3 (at least in mine) seems to be missing these. all i have is the mail client and contacts. where'd the rest of evolution go?

for all of you firefox fan boys (or girls) heres some news for ya. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/roadmap.html unofficial firefox 1.1 changelog http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/releases/1.1.html enjoy all

loads of linux links http://loll.sourceforge.net/linux/links/index.html

for firefox users this is a must have http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?act=idx enjoy :D

i havent used mandrake in over a year. i couldnt tell you exactly. you can however, experiment with this on your own, and then poke arround and see what changed. btw, i use suse.