bilbo Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 im trying out linux i have the free issue mandriva, im used to the other system by that money maker gates person. my oh my im having problems with what should be a simple install, i tried to install flash player but it said i needed dazuko i tried installing avg but it said i need dazuko!!! ok i got dazuko and well why is it not an rpm file i could esally self install ............i have tried to follow instuctions on how to install these tar files but it dont work iv spent hours and still no luck i got so far and it said no make command !!! does this mean that in the free edition you cant install tar files??. im very confused and bill gates is looking more viable by the hour, why does linux have to be a pain no wonder its not popular to the masses, im sure programers are holding back and why cant they make a universal extractor for these files im not a programmer im a user. making an operating system hard to use i sno fun :unsure: please help.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw1974 Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Welcome to the board How are you attempting to install flash player and with what? You shouldn't need to install AVG or any anti-virus software for that matter, since Linux isn't really affected by viruses and very few if any viruses exist for Linux. I've never heard of dazuko, but I can install flash, so I'm trying to figure out what you're doing wrong. I did check to see if dazuko exists on my system, and it does in the kernel source. Therefore, try this: urpmi kernel-source and install kernel-source-2.6.12.12mdk or you can do System/Configuration/Packaging/Install, and then click the All option, and type kernel-source-2.6 and click search and install this. The first method means using the command line, so if you don't like the command line, you can do it the graphical way. And remember, it's probably only a pain because you're not sure how to use Linux. If you'd used Linux first, you'd wonder why Windows was different and didn't work how you were expecting it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilbo Posted May 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 uhmmmmmmmmm i dont seem to have thi s kernel-source-2.6 i cant find i t i n pakages ?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw1974 Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Click the easy-urpmi link at the top of this page, and you can add main, contrib, updates, and even plf-free and plf-nonfree too, to your repositories. This will give you what you need to download and install it from the internet. However, you'll probably get kernel-source-2.6.12.22mdk so after this, you'll need to install kernel-2.6.12.22mdk as well to make sure your kernel matches your kernel source, and then reboot, and install flash after this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilbo Posted May 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 sorry i get lost at stage 3 it still makes no sense at all i will give up now i think ty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw1974 Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Best way is click compressed index, and then finish stage 3. At the bottom, will be a load of text similar to urpmi.addmedia main, etc, etc. Copy each line into a console window, and add the source by pasting the text: su (enter root password when prompted) paste text from easy-urpmi then once finished, you can install the kernel and kernel source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nchancock Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 sorry i get lost at stage 3 it still makes no sense at all i will give up now i think ty. Giving up already? Its your choice I guess, but if you keep at it some, I think you'll have better luck. Either that or try Linspire ... they're aimed at complete noobs. Very hands-off but less so than Windows. Once you get the feel for the environment and how to use basic tools like a package manager and the command line interface, you'll be well on your way to being a guru. Nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw1974 Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Ubuntu is another newbie distro that's supposed to be easy. Although I've never used it, but there are alternatives out there if you're finding problems with Mandriva and haven't the time to learn or want to learn it. Patience is the key, and you'll realise once you use it, that it's all worthwhile, and more important, fun :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieJohn Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Your difficulty stems ONLY from expecting things in the Linux world to work the same way as they do in the Windows world so if that is what you prefer then stay with windows. Riding a bicycle or a motor bike will equally get you from A to B. Just because you find it easier to ride a bicycle doesn't mean that you should find it just as easy to ride a motorcycle. To do that you have to learn and practice more than a few things. When you do learn and practice those things then riding a motorcycle can be as easy as riding a bicycle but they are still two quite different skills. The same applys to the Windows bicycle and the Linux motorcycle. If you feel that after such little effort that Linux is too difficult then LInux is NOT for you. On the other hand if you want to make an effort, there are always plenty of members here who are willing to help you along the way. John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilbo Posted May 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 words of wisdom john , thank you i am not one who gives up so quickly. I have a problem that perhaps people are overlooking and are to keen to add me to the pile of useless noobies. I have been checking forum after forum and some one said that with some distos they do not install certain things like "make" commands ect because they expect people to use the rpm extractors but if this is true then how do I install "one of my original problems" Flash which seems to only come in a tar type format ???? any further help would be welcomed. I did say i was using the free edition. many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagwah Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Don't give up bilbo, stick with it, it does get easier as you become more familiar with the seemingly alien ways of Linux, and there is something about it, something enjoyable. If you are trying to install flash for your web browser, say Firefox, just open the install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz (or whatever if you have a different version) and copy the 2 files 'flashplayer.xpt' and "libflashplayer.so" into your browsers plugin folder. For firefox something like /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox-1.0.6 if you are still using the standard version that came with Mandriva 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gowator Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 words of wisdom john ,thank you i am not one who gives up so quickly. I have a problem that perhaps people are overlooking and are to keen to add me to the pile of useless noobies. I have been checking forum after forum and some one said that with some distos they do not install certain things like "make" commands ect because they expect people to use the rpm extractors but if this is true then how do I install "one of my original problems" Flash which seems to only come in a tar type format ???? any further help would be welcomed. I did say i was using the free edition. many thanks. flash install http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/do...=ShockwaveFlash However I don't run mandriva but I think it is in the repositories. If you follow the instructions on easy urpmi this will set up your sources... once its configured all you do is choose which software to install from the "add new programs" wizard. this will the automatically find, download and install the programs.. you have soem 9000 to choose from. Your problem as John points out is you are stuck in a windows paradigm. You expect the way to install progs is click on link and downloads a self extracting exe etc. ... its just not the linux way. Now regarding urpmi and easy urpmi.... the text based setup is a bit silly and the publicity given to it from Mandrake is next to non... I think you will find many here who agree but you are mixing up this oversight with other things, mainly the different way linux works compared to windows. i have tried to follow instuctions on how to installthese tar files but it dont work iv spent hours and still no luck i got so far and it said no make command !!! does this mean that in the free edition you cant install tar files??. 1. installing from source is an advanced topic .... just get comfy in linux first 2. You instal the compiler tools via urpmi.... until you do this and complete it you will be stuck in a cyclic trap. 3. Yes you can but AFTER you install the Gnu compiler stuff... and I'd recommend getting more at home in linux first. why does linux have to be a pain no wonder its not popular to the masses, im sure programers are holding back and why cant they make a universal extractor for these files im not a programmer im a user. Why ask us? The program you are having problems with (flash) has decided not to make an RPM for download ... that is not the fault of Mandriva, Linux or us? Similarly Dazuko have chosen a source install. They do this so that it can be used on other OS's not just linux. If it becomes popular then someone will package it .. but its unliely to do so since its not really of any use to the average home user. Linux doesn't need an antivirus program for itself, just if you are in a mixed network to protect the windows PC's... and there are already quite a few antivirus scanners for linux. you might find this disconcerting ... I have never run a virus scanner in linux except to scan mail before I send it to someone who has windows (just to be polite) and I have NEVER had a virus or spyware in 10+ years of using linux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neddie Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 I just had a look at the macromedia download page and it doesn't say anything about make ?! You just download the tar.gz and run the installer. 3. Unpackage the file. A directory called install_flash_player_7_linux will be created. 4. Navigate to this directory and from the command line type ./flashplayer-installer to run the installer (Note: this can only be run from the command line). The installer will instruct you to shut down your browser(s). 5. Once the installation is complete, the plug-in will be installed in your Mozilla browser. To verify, launch Mozilla and choose Help > About Plug-ins from the browser menu. Maybe you got a different tar.gz file from somewhere? Where did you get it from? I can't remember if I did it this way or not, it was too long ago, but I do have an rpm called "flash-plugin" so maybe I got it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw1974 Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 You reminded me though :P This is how I did it, I'm surprised I forgot :o. This should be how you install it. If when you installed Mandriva 2006 Free, and are wondering why no program tools exists like make, etc, it was probably because you didn't select to install the development tools. Mandriva 2006 Free does include a lot of stuff on the CD's/DVD, and certainly everything you need to even make and compile apps which is better done once you've learnt more - as Gowator said. But the urpmi repositories are a *must*, and they really are simple to add. It does say, type this in a console as root, so there's no real way you can go wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffi Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 (edited) words of wisdom john ,thank you i am not one who gives up so quickly. I have a problem that perhaps people are overlooking and are to keen to add me to the pile of useless noobies. I have been checking forum after forum and some one said that with some distos they do not install certain things like "make" commands ect because they expect people to use the rpm extractors but if this is true then how do I install "one of my original problems" Flash which seems to only come in a tar type format ???? any further help would be welcomed. I did say i was using the free edition. many thanks. This place is a very good lace for getting noob help, I know coz I am still one too, I remember installing flash and jre were a pain in the arse because there are no rpm´s available and you have to use the command line without even knowing the commands (actually once you get urpmi setup installing removing software is so easy it becomes almost addictive to try out everything). Anyway, download the file open it and from the menu chose to extract (from the menu action->extract) the content to let´s say : /home/bilbo/Desktop/flash (linux is case sensitive btw!) type: cd /home/bilbo/Desktop/flash (or replace bilbo with whatever your login name is) from a konsole (under kmenu (the start like thing)->system->terminals->konsole) then type: ./flashplayer-installer <-- notice the . before / voila flash should work Edited May 30, 2006 by ffi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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