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According to this there is too much free software. what is this obsession with "unifying" the Linux desktop??

 

Unified desktop? Get Microsoft.

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but we have already many good sets of standards, GTK, programming conventions, RFC, and I mean hey, it's already in any developer's interest to make their software compatible with as many systems as possible (unless you have a monopoly, like say...)

 

but ya, can you imagine if we all had to start using KDE (shudder)?

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i think by common standards he means all files have a specific place to be. you know, Linux Standard Base deal. atleast, that's my understanding. there's a difference between common standards and using the same program across the board.

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One of the biggest problems confronting users considering Linux is ¨which distro?¨ It makes some of them give up...

 

That doesn´t mean I think it should be unified, variety is what keeps Linux alive and strong. :wink:

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*sigh*

 

The issue, as always, is the business model. Because Billy Boy created a wealthy empire with his business model, everyone is blinded by the desire to imitate the concept. Therefore, all comments that I read must be inerpreted by this blindness. "Too much free software" means "I can't imitate microcasm with all this free stuff rolling around." Duh, really?? Perhaps the market is evolving away from the pay for each license 3 times per year concept. Perhaps the market is moving away from the "I'm selling this, but it's really R&R!!" concept. I especially like the petty "none of it is perfect" nonesense, as if licensed software that is sold is perfect! When that issue is raised, the microadmirationphyles are pointing out the error of their own model.

 

The business model is changing; the creative are adjusting their apprach in order to maintain profitability, not trying to get special interest laws passed.

 

"Unifying" is another code word for imitating Bill and the amazing windyblow. True tech unity is only acheiveable after the market repairs from an attempted monopoly, which is going to take time.

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Well, the current mode of capitalism tends toward monopoly by default, so what would you propose?

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One of the biggest problems confronting users considering Linux is ¨which distro?¨ It makes some of them give up...

 

No question, you are right. Distros have to dedicate a lot more time to getting the message out there, and that is happening. But in the end, only grassroots movements succeed, and grassroots works mostly by word-of-mouth, not salesmanship.

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Capitalism does not tend toward monopoly. Capitalism, by nature, assures quality and variety by virtue of competition.

 

Bill Gates is not disliked by me because he made money, nor because some people liked his stuff. His idea to sell to oem's in order to increase his market share is good business. Where Billybud goes wrong in my book is when he drove others out of business, not by free market competition, but by organized crime tactics of play with me or else. He also over-paid key people, in order to cause other companies to close. He also bought the rights to competing software, and buried it. None of these kinds of tactics are capitalistic ideas; they are simply criminal behaviour, regardless of ideology. Finally, he is using his money to pass laws prohibiting competition of his product. It is a sort of "socialist" mentality in Washington that even considers such laws.

 

The attack upon capitalism is the problem, not capitalism.

 

What do I suggest? Reveloution, of course!! :wink: The IT model needs to change, along with the consumer concept that one must pay for a license for anything. What one should pay for is "service", that is paying a person to do what you cannot do yourself.

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Too much software:

I don't know that theres too much software so much as Distros install too much software.

 

Palm tools:

KPilot JPilot, Evolution(Gnome Pilot Tools)

 

Email Clients:

KMail, Evolution (minimum)

 

Editors:Kate Kedit Gedit Emacs Vim Kwriter

 

Office Suites:

Koffice Open Office and if you buy a pack you get StarOffice as well. You also get Gnumeric

 

Graphics: I haven't looked at anything except the Gimp lately but I know that the Graphics menu is bulging!

 

Then if you decide to uninstall you might just uninstall stuff you want to keep as well (rpm dependency)

 

Generally I try to tidy stuff up by just zapping the menu items rather than uninstalling but thats not ideal either. I think a lot of new users have problems when they try to uninstall the things they don't need.

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Well, the current mode of capitalism tends toward monopoly by default, so what would you propose?

 

Anarchism!

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heh heh, i just didn't want to be the 1st one to say it, but ya, anarchism is the only truly viable political sysyem. and it is on anarchist principles that many parts of the U.S. Constitution is based, like the idea that the individual and the communities make decisions, not the government. My favourite quote, and it had to be from an American: "When I hear the word government, I reach for my gun."

 

now watch the war of words begin.

 

but before you slag anarchism, please read at least a BIT about it, and not from Bill Buckley please...

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Diversity is good..The nice thing about opensourceprojects is that programmers can read eachothers code and improve that code....

Ofcourse the more programmers on each project, the sooner, the better the code....So, there has to be some balance...

 

(Quick note: I've read the article and hope that openoffice will load faster in the future,...I've read that's that planned for the next versionm but there is also an howto do to some now, when you compile yourself)

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heh heh, i just didn't want to be the 1st one to say it, but ya, anarchism is the only truly viable political sysyem. and it is on anarchist principles that many parts of the U.S. Constitution is based, like the idea that the individual and the communities make decisions, not the government. My favourite quote, and it had to be from an American: "When I hear the word government, I reach for my gun."

 

now watch the war of words begin.

 

but before you slag anarchism, please read at least a BIT about it, and not from Bill Buckley please...

 

yup yup, and people who only know anarchism as chaos, that's not true, anarchism is just 'an absence of government'.

 

And considering communism isn't really all that viable (to similair to capitalism ie one person/group of people hold the highest level of power.) why not give people the oppourtunity?

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