Jump to content

10.1 OE Powerpack - MCC freezes computer


lawsonrc
 Share

Recommended Posts

Whenever I try to open Mandrake Control Center, its splashscreen freezes the entire computer (it's a laptop...Toshiba 5005-S507).

 

A friend helped me with a "workaround", which may be helpful to others here; however, I'd sure like to get back the "Point & Click" way of using MCC, so if anyone can help me do this, I'd appreciate it.

 

Here's the workaround for now:

 

1. Open terminal, su to root. (Or in KDE open the Root Konsole.)

2. Type drak and hit TAB. This directs you to a list of all the "drak" tools, which are the ones used in Mandrake Control Center.

3. Copy and paste the one you need; press "Enter". For example, I copied and pasted "drakconnect" and was able to configure my network card (Linksys WPC 11 ver. 3). Now I can get on the internet!!!

4. I then copied and pasted the "drak" that was for updates. Since I was already on the 'net, I was able to do the updates for 10.1.

5. There was a "drak" ending in .rpm which brought up "Add/Remove" Packages.

 

This is a nice, easy workaround if you can't open MCC, but I'd rather have the real GUI. So if anyone can help me, or direct me how to contact Mandrake (I'm a Silver Club member), then I'd greatly appreciate it.

 

Richard

Edited by lawsonrc
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi adamw,

 

I've been away from my laptop for a couple of days; sorry I haven't responded sooner .

 

I just now typed "drakconf" after su'ing to root.

 

The splash screen for MCC came up "Loading...Please wait", and the computer froze up again (except the fans are blowing).

 

When I pressed ENTER after typing "drakconf", the next line was a new command line prompt.

 

There are no error messages, only a blank command line.

 

I appreciate your help, adamw, ...and anyone else's help.

 

Will this let you know enough for another solution?

 

Thanks again.

 

Richard

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks adamw. Here is my dmesg. I don't know how to read it to see if there is an error message that would apply. Can you look at it to see what gives? Richard....

 

init init/main.c:718

checking if image is initramfs...it isn't (no cpio magic); looks like a

n initrd

ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initrd ... not found!

Freeing initrd memory: 208k freed

init init/main.c:724

do_basic_setup init/main.c:634

do_basic_setup init/main.c:636

NET: Registered protocol family 16

PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfd160, last bus=4

PCI: Using configuration type 1

mtrr: v2.0 (20020519)

ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040326

ACPI: IRQ9 SCI: Level Trigger.

ACPI: Interpreter enabled

ACPI: Using PIC for interrupt routing

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs 7 10) *0, disabled.

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs 7 10) *0, disabled.

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 7 10) *0, disabled.

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs *11)

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKE] (IRQs 7 10) *6

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] (IRQs 7 10) *0, disabled.

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKG] (IRQs *5)

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] (IRQs 7 10) *0, disabled.

ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (00:00)

PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00)

PCI: Transparent bridge - 0000:00:1e.0

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT]

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.PCIB._PRT]

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.PCI1._PRT]

ACPI: Power Resource [PFN0] (off)

ACPI: Power Resource [PFN1] (off)

Linux Plug and Play Support v0.97 © Adam Belay

PnPBIOS: Disabled

PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] enabled at IRQ 11

ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1f.2[D] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] enabled at IRQ 10

ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1f.4[C] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] enabled at IRQ 10

ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1f.5 -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10

ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1f.6 -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKG] enabled at IRQ 5

ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A] -> GSI 5 (level, low) -> IRQ 5

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] enabled at IRQ 10

ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:07.0[A] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKE] enabled at IRQ 10

ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:08.0[A] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] enabled at IRQ 10

ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:0b.0[A] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10

ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:0b.1 -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10

ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:0c.0 -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10

ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:0d.0[A] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10

vesafb: framebuffer at 0xf0000000, mapped to 0xe0807000, size 1875k

vesafb: mode is 800x600x16, linelength=1600, pages=2

vesafb: protected mode interface info at c000:e8c0

vesafb: scrolling: redraw

vesafb: directcolor: size=0:5:6:5, shift=0:11:5:0

fb0: VESA VGA frame buffer device

Simple Boot Flag at 0x7c set to 0x1

apm: BIOS not found.

audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled)

audit(1103196849.424:0): initialized

VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.1

Dquot-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order 0, 4096 bytes)

devfs: 2004-01-31 Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au)

devfs: boot_options: 0x0

Initializing Cryptographic API

isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...

isapnp: No Plug & Play device found

bootsplash 3.1.6-2004/03/31: looking for picture.... silentjpeg size 14

554 bytes, found (800x600, 14506 bytes, v3).

Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 92x32

Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 8 ports, IRQ sharing enable

d

PCI: Enabling device 0000:00:1f.6 (0000 -> 0001)

ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1f.6 -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10

RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 32000K size 1024 blocksize

Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2

ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebu

s=xx

ICH2: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:1f.1

ICH2: chipset revision 5

ICH2: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later

ide0: BM-DMA at 0xcff0-0xcff7, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio

ide1: BM-DMA at 0xcff8-0xcfff, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio

Probing IDE interface ide0...

hda: TOSHIBA MK4018GAP, ATA DISK drive

Using anticipatory io scheduler

ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14

Probing IDE interface ide1...

hdc: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R2102, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive

ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15

hda: max request size: 128KiB

hda: 78140160 sectors (40007 MB), CHS=65535/16/63, UDMA(100)

/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 p3 < p5 p6 p7 p8 >

mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice

serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12

input: ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse on isa0060/serio1

serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1

input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0

md: md driver 0.90.0 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27

NET: Registered protocol family 2

IP: routing cache hash table of 4096 buckets, 32Kbytes

TCP: Hash tables configured (established 32768 bind 65536)

NET: Registered protocol family 1

ACPI: (supports S0 S3 S4 S5)

BIOS EDD facility v0.16 2004-Jun-25, 1 devices found

init init/main.c:726

md: Autodetecting RAID arrays.

md: autorun ...

md: ... autorun DONE.

RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0

VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).

ReiserFS: hda5: found reiserfs format "3.6" with standard journal

ReiserFS: hda5: using ordered data mode

ReiserFS: hda5: journal params: device hda5, size 8192, journal first b

lock 18, max trans len 1024, max batch 900, max commit age 30, max tran

s age 30

ReiserFS: hda5: checking transaction log (hda5)

ReiserFS: hda5: Using r5 hash to sort names

Freeing unused kernel memory: 200k freed

usbcore: registered new driver usbfs

usbcore: registered new driver hub

USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v2.2

ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1f.2[D] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11

uhci_hcd 0000:00:1f.2: UHCI Host Controller

PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.2 to 64

uhci_hcd 0000:00:1f.2: irq 11, io base 0000cf80

uhci_hcd 0000:00:1f.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1

hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found

hub 1-0:1.0: 2 ports detected

PCI: Enabling device 0000:00:1f.4 (0000 -> 0001)

ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1f.4[C] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10

uhci_hcd 0000:00:1f.4: UHCI Host Controller

PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.4 to 64

uhci_hcd 0000:00:1f.4: irq 10, io base 00001000

uhci_hcd 0000:00:1f.4: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2

hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found

hub 2-0:1.0: 2 ports detected

usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 2

hub 1-1:1.0: USB hub found

hub 1-1:1.0: 3 ports detected

usb 1-2: new low speed USB device using address 3

usbcore: registered new driver hiddev

input: USB HID v1.00 Mouse [synaptics Inc. Synaptics Touchpad] on usb-0

000:00:1f.2-2

usbcore: registered new driver usbhid

drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.0:USB HID core driver

usbcore: registered new driver usbmouse

drivers/usb/input/usbmouse.c: v1.6:USB HID Boot Protocol mouse driver

ts: Compaq touchscreen protocol output

Adding 1068312k swap on /dev/hda2. Priority:-1 extents:1

nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.

ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A] -> GSI 5 (level, low) -> IRQ 5

NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module 1.0-6111 Tue Jul

27 07:55:38 PDT 2004

Linux agpgart interface v0.100 © Dave Jones

agpgart: Detected an Intel i815 Chipset.

agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 439M

agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xf8000000

loop: loaded (max 8 devices)

ieee1394: Initialized config rom entry `ip1394'

ohci1394: $Rev: 1223 $ Ben Collins <bcollins@debian.org>

PCI: Enabling device 0000:02:07.0 (0000 -> 0002)

ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:07.0[A] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10

PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:02:07.0 to 64

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Runaway loop while stopping context: ...

ohci1394: fw-host0: Runaway loop while stopping context: ...

ohci1394: fw-host0: Runaway loop while stopping context: ...

ohci1394: fw-host0: Runaway loop while stopping context: ...

ohci1394: fw-host0: OHCI-1394 165.165 (PCI): IRQ=[10] MMIO=[20000000-2

00007ff] Max Packet=[65536]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

ohci1394: fw-host0: Serial EEPROM has suspicious values, attempting to

setting max_packet_size to 512 bytes

hdc: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33)

Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20

eepro100.c:v1.09j-t 9/29/99 Donald Becker http://www.scyld.com/network/

eepro100.html

eepro100.c: $Revision: 1.36 $ 2000/11/17 Modified by Andrey V. Savochki

n <saw@saw.sw.com.sg> and others

ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:08.0[A] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10

eth0: OEM i82557/i82558 10/100 Ethernet, 00:00:39:91:00:E9, IRQ 10.

Board assembly 000000-000, Physical connectors present: RJ45

Primary interface chip i82555 PHY #1.

General self-test: passed.

Serial sub-system self-test: passed.

Internal registers self-test: passed.

ROM checksum self-test: passed (0x04f4518b).

ohci1394: fw-host0: Set PHY Reg timeout [0xffffffff/0x00004000/100]

bootsplash 3.1.6-2004/03/31: looking for picture.... silentjpeg size 14

554 bytes, found (800x600, 14506 bytes, v3).

bootsplash: status on console 0 changed to on

ACPI: AC Adapter [ADP1] (on-line)

ACPI: Battery Slot [bAT1] (battery present)

ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF]

ACPI: Lid Switch [LID]

ACPI: Fan [FAN0] (off)

ACPI: Fan [FAN1] (off)

ACPI: Processor [CPU0] (supports C1 C2)

ACPI: Thermal Zone [THRM] (56 C)

toshiba_acpi: Toshiba Laptop ACPI Extras version 0.18

toshiba_acpi: HCI method: \_SB_.VALD.GHCI

Linux Kernel Card Services

options: [pci] [cardbus] [pm]

PCI: Enabling device 0000:02:0b.0 (0000 -> 0002)

ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:0b.0[A] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10

Yenta: CardBus bridge found at 0000:02:0b.0 [1179:0001]

Yenta: ISA IRQ mask 0x0018, PCI irq 10

Socket status: 30000007

PCI: Enabling device 0000:02:0b.1 (0000 -> 0002)

ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:0b.1 -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10

Yenta: CardBus bridge found at 0000:02:0b.1 [1179:0001]

Yenta: ISA IRQ mask 0x0018, PCI irq 10

Socket status: 30000011

cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: clean.

cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x1e0-0x1e7 0x4d0-0x4d7

cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean.

cs: memory probe 0xa0000000-0xa0ffffff: clean.

orinoco 0.13e (David Gibson <hermes@gibson.dropbear.id.au>, Pavel Roski

n <proski@gnu.org>, et al)

orinoco_cs 0.13e (David Gibson <hermes@gibson.dropbear.id.au>, Pavel Ro

skin <proski@gnu.org>, et al)

eth0: Station identity 001f:0002:0001:0004

eth0: Looks like an Intersil firmware version 1.4.2

eth0: Ad-hoc demo mode supported

eth0: IEEE standard IBSS ad-hoc mode supported

eth0: WEP supported, 104-bit key

eth0: MAC address 00:06:25:16:1E:CF

eth0: Station name "Prism I"

eth0: ready

eth0: index 0x01: Vcc 5.0, irq 3, io 0x0100-0x013f

NET: Registered protocol family 17

eth0: New link status: Connected (0001)

usb 1-1.2: new low speed USB device using address 4

eth0: New link status: Connected (0001)

input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB Receiver] on usb-0000:00:1f.2-

1.2

Intel 810 + AC97 Audio, version 1.01, 12:45:05 Oct 1 2004

PCI: Enabling device 0000:00:1f.5 (0000 -> 0001)

ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1f.5 -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10

PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.5 to 64

i810: Intel ICH2 found at IO 0x1040 and 0x1400, MEM 0x0000 and 0x0000,

IRQ 10

i810_audio: Audio Controller supports 6 channels.

i810_audio: Defaulting to base 2 channel mode.

i810_audio: Resetting connection 0

ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: YMH3 (Unknown)

i810_audio: only 48Khz playback available.

i810_audio: AC'97 codec 0 supports AMAP, total channels = 2

Bluetooth: Core ver 2.6

NET: Registered protocol family 31

Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized

Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized

Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.3

Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized

Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.3

Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized

Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized

NET: Registered protocol family 10

Disabled Privacy Extensions on device c0322b60(lo)

IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver

agpgart: Found an AGP 2.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0.

agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 4x mode

agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 4x mode

agpgart: Found an AGP 2.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0.

agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 4x mode

agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 4x mode

bootsplash 3.1.6-2004/03/31: looking for picture.... found (800x600, 10

377 bytes, v3).

bootsplash: status on console 0 changed to on

bootsplash 3.1.6-2004/03/31: looking for picture.... found (800x600, 10 377 bytes, v3).

bootsplash: status on console 1 changed to on

bootsplash 3.1.6-2004/03/31: looking for picture.... found (800x600, 10 377 bytes, v3).

bootsplash: status on console 2 changed to on

bootsplash 3.1.6-2004/03/31: looking for picture.... found (800x600, 10 377 bytes, v3).

bootsplash: status on console 3 changed to on

bootsplash 3.1.6-2004/03/31: looking for picture.... found (800x600, 10 377 bytes, v3).

bootsplash: status on console 4 changed to on

bootsplash 3.1.6-2004/03/31: looking for picture.... found (800x600, 10 377 bytes, v3).

bootsplash: status on console 5 changed to on

eth0: no IPv6 routers present

cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize!

spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7.

input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0

input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0

[mdk101@toshiba5005 mdk101]$

Link to comment
Share on other sites

aha, it's harddrake probing the system. Maybe a bug report would help - on qa.mandrakesoft.com , submit a report of the problem (running harddrake hangs the system) with a precise listing of the hardware in the system (leave nothing out), the results of lspcidrake -v and lsusb . The devs will ask for any other info they need.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

hey houstonian :bvc:

If it were me I'd force an uninstall of harddrake and THEN try mcc to be sure, B4 submitting a bug. BUT, I know you do like doing that kinda thing. If you want to though,

rpm -e --nodeps harddrake

has always done it for me in the past. It used to be standard procedure for me to uninstall harddrake as I have always hated it and found it useless so I've done it many times w/o ill effect. I haven't done it since ML-10 though.

 

reinstall w/ urpmi

Link to comment
Share on other sites

hey houstonian :bvc:

If it were me I'd force an uninstall of harddrake and THEN try mcc to be sure, B4 submitting a bug. BUT, I know you do like doing that kinda thing. If you want to though,

rpm -e --nodeps harddrake

has always done it for me in the past. It used to be standard procedure for me to uninstall harddrake as I have always hated it and found it useless so I've done it many times w/o ill effect. I haven't done it since ML-10 though.

 

reinstall w/ urpmi

Exactly what I was going to suggest....

 

you could try just updating it

urpmi.update -a then

urpmi harddrake...

 

but personally im with bvc on harddrake... it causes me nothing but pain...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share

×
×
  • Create New...