MottS Posted July 26, 2003 Report Share Posted July 26, 2003 Hi all Since I'm using Linux, I've always use KDE. IceWM is on my server and I don't like it that much (not for everyday use at least). I like to clic, this is why I have stick to KDE 'till now. So the question: Which desktop environment should I emerge now? Don't just say 'whatever' and clic 'Submit'. Please provide some explainations as for why I should use 'whatever' environment instead of KDE. Thx for helping me ... MOttS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ixthusdan Posted July 26, 2003 Report Share Posted July 26, 2003 gnome is a nice gui, just as gui as kde, but a litttle "macish" looking. That is, it has a smoother graphic appearance. Now, for something really gui but interesting in a different way, enlightenment. It plays differently than kde, and is not as cluttered. But, kde is a real windowish de! I have kde for my main, but I play with gnome and enlightenment all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvc Posted July 26, 2003 Report Share Posted July 26, 2003 DE? There's only 2 (G & K), so you don't have a lot of choice here :wink: If you're going to consider ice and E DE's and you're not wanting ice then gnome and E are you're only 2 choices. Gnome is all I use anymore. Why? Cuz I don't like anything about kde other than it's usually stable and everything usually works. Gnome can be a little sticky, especially since it's being completely re-worked. I'm excited about the end result but devel is sloOoow, and gnome won't be what I want it to be til probably 2.6 :roll: I've always thought gnome was lighter,faster,smoother. Although it's not really lighter on resources anymore I still feel it's faster and gtk smoother than qt. It's much easier to customize as well. Don't want nautilus to draw the desktop but want icons? Tell nautilus not to, and use Esetroot for wallpaper, idesk for icons, and use Endeavour :P (no, I use nautilus) ...or something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MottS Posted July 27, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 Ok thanks guys for your input. I really appreciate it. Now look at what I would have to emerge to get Gnome up and running .. this is awesome. bash-2.05b# emerge -p gnome These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild N ] x11-libs/startup-notification-0.5 [ebuild N ] dev-util/indent-2.2.9 [ebuild N ] net-libs/linc-1.0.2 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/ORBit2-2.6.2 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gconf-2.2.0 [ebuild N ] app-text/docbook-xsl-stylesheets-1.60.1 [ebuild N ] app-text/docbook-xml-dtd-4.1.2-r3 [ebuild N ] dev-python/PyXML-0.8.2 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libglade-2.0.1 [ebuild N ] x11-wm/metacity-2.4.34 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/bonobo-activation-2.2.2 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.2.2 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.2.0.2 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.2.0 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.2.4 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnome-2.2.2 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.2.0.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.2.1 [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-1.0.5 [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gtk-engines-metal-2.2.0 [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gtk-engines-thinice-2.0.2 [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gtk-engines-redmond95-2.2.0 [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gtk-engines-pixbuf-2.2.0 [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.2.1 [ebuild N ] app-text/opensp-1.5-r1 [ebuild N ] app-text/openjade-1.3.2-r1 [ebuild N ] app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-3.0-r1 [ebuild N ] app-text/docbook-xml-simple-dtd-4.1.2.4 [ebuild N ] app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-3.1-r1 [ebuild N ] app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-4.1-r1 [ebuild N ] dev-perl/SGMLSpm-1.03-r4 [ebuild N ] app-text/docbook-dsssl-stylesheets-1.77-r2 [ebuild N ] app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-4.0-r1 [ebuild N ] app-text/docbook-sgml-utils-0.6.12 [ebuild N ] app-text/scrollkeeper-0.3.11-r1 [ebuild N ] app-arch/file-roller-2.2.4 [ebuild N ] app-text/ggv-2.0.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/gconf-editor-0.4.1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libmpeg2-0.3.1 [ebuild N ] sys-devel/gnuconfig-20030708 [ebuild N ] media-libs/jpeg-mmx-1.1.2-r1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libmovtar-0.1.3-r1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/a52dec-0.7.4 [ebuild U ] media-libs/freetype-1.3.1-r3 [2.1.4] [ebuild N ] media-libs/imlib2-1.0.6.20030220-r1 [ebuild N ] media-video/ffmpeg-0.4.7_pre20030624 [ebuild N ] media-video/avifile-0.7.32.20030219 [ebuild N ] media-video/mjpegtools-1.6.0-r7 [ebuild N ] media-libs/gstreamer-0.6.1-r1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/openquicktime-1.0-r1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/hermes-1.3.2-r2 [ebuild N ] media-libs/gst-plugins-0.6.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gail-1.2.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/libgtkhtml-2.2.3 [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/yelp-2.2.2 [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/libgsf-1.8.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/librsvg-2.2.5 [ebuild N ] x11-libs/libwnck-2.2.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.2.1-r1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-panel-2.2.2.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/gnome-utils-2.2.3 [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/gnome-media-2.2.1.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/eel-2.2.3 [ebuild N ] app-text/aspell-0.50.3 [ebuild N ] app-dicts/aspell-en-0.51.0 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomeprint-2.2.1.2 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomeprintui-2.2.1.2 [ebuild N ] app-editors/gedit-2.2.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.2.0 [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/at-spi-1.1.8 [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/libgail-gnome-1.0.2 [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/gnome2-user-docs-2.0.6 [ebuild N ] x11-libs/vte-0.10.27 [ebuild N ] x11-terms/gnome-terminal-2.2.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-session-2.2.1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libao-0.8.3-r1 [ebuild N ] media-sound/vorbis-tools-1.0-r1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/nautilus-2.2.3 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgtop-2.0.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/gnome-system-monitor-2.0.4-r1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gdm-2.4.1.3 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-applets-2.2.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/acme-2.0.4 [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/bug-buddy-2.2.106 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/control-center-2.2.2 [ebuild N ] gnome-extra/nautilus-media-0.2.2 [ebuild N ] media-gfx/eog-2.2.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-2.2.1 And now for Enlightment. bash-2.05b# emerge -p enlightenment These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild N ] media-libs/fnlib-0.5-r1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libghttp-1.0.9-r3 [ebuild U ] media-libs/freetype-1.3.1-r3 [2.1.4] [ebuild N ] x11-wm/enlightenment-0.16.5-r4 How come Gnome is so big? ... wow.. I'm a newbies to this. Didn't know Gnome was so big. I'm gonna search the Gentoo forum about a way to install the strict minimal. I don't want to compile unnecessary stuff... Thx MOttS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvc Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 Gnome isn't any bigger than kde, heck I think it's smaller. Just has a pkg for almost every app where kde has one big pkg with 10 apps. You're not going to take a lot off because of deps. BTW, it's because of there being so many pkgs that gnome is extremely hard to compile from tar (not to mention all the typing/time), with a end result of bug city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MottS Posted July 27, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 ... with a end result of bug city. Oh really? .. I don't want to contaminate my system man! What's wrong with Gnome 2.2.1? Is there anything I should know before starting to compile? Thx MOttS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvc Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 I'm referring by tarball ..../configure | make | make install. I don't know about gentoo...but I'll be finding out soon (prebuilt cd's) :wink: I know a lot of gentoo'ers use gnome so it can't be all bad. http://gnomesupport.org/forums/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlc Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 I know for a fact that emergeing KDE takes much longer than Gnome, so it wont be that bad. I use Gnome mainly! It feels faster and is PERDIER! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 Hi MottS Gnome later, skip it, gtk "blurs(tache)" display, not cool ! My main GUI is Kde just love the "signets" on desktop. However export ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 Check out : /usr/portage/xfce-base /usr/portage/xfce-extra i.e. xfce4 Light, small + fast compiles. Ohlala definite contender, and soon more to come I read. Just might cookup/find a "signets" solution but won't part with konqueror, whatever. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=63322 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c_m_f Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 i was going to suggest XFCE 4 aswell, but final isn't out until august 02nd (i think) so you will need to wait for it to come up in portage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sud_crow Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 Hey, I like Fluxbox, im currently using it on my LFS, becouse its light and fast. Also, its almost no-dependable so, you can have it without almost any dep-problems. Also as mentioned, Enlightenment its pretty good, actually its the "prettiest" of them all... the CVS version is the pre 0.17 wich is supposed to be a DE from now on. Also XFCE is going to get the DE title in its next version, for what i read. Anyway, for heavy GUI i like KDE, its very complete, and i like loading all kind of applets and extension bars... And like i sayd, when i want something fast and light, Fluxbox... Also there are plenty of plugins and such... links www.fluxbox.org www.enlightenment.org [/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MottS Posted July 27, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 Oh wow.. XFce4 seems nice from the screenshots on http://www.xfce.org/ . It will be out August 3 though. I think I will wait 'till there. KDE is usually in the portage tree the same day it is out .. hope it will be the same for XFce4. sud_crow, thanks for the offer with FluxBox but to me, this is too much like BlackBox. I compiled BlackBox last January when I first installed Gentoo. I used it a couples of day while KDE was compiling (haha). Since then I reinstalled the whole thing and the only DE I have on the system is KDE. I'm looking for something else .. but not Blackbox/Fluxbox. Thx guys! MOttS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvc Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 Ah yes, xfce4....forgot about that one :wink: I used it in Libranet2.8, heh, the beta never gave me one single proband it is very nice/fast/light....uses gtk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vande198 Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 XFce4 does indeed look awesome, and I can't wait to give it a run once the first full release comes out and I get back on T1 at school. Anybody been fooling around with the betas and RCs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vande198 Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 Also, I wonder what might be the best webbrowser for XFce. Would that be Firebird or some GTK2-based browser like Galeon or Epiphany (or do they require too many Gnome libraries)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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