bvc Posted March 30, 2003 Report Share Posted March 30, 2003 The sys has been up all night downloading iso's with d4x (nt) and as I went to answer some post this morning things seemed a little slow, but when I went to start konqueror the sys came to it's knees. My swap has never been more that 25% used but now it's only 25% free :shock: as I write this. Any idea how to manually flush the swap? Is it a bad idea? Any thought appreciated! [root@localhost bvc]# free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 190980 166212 24768 0 4512 42472 -/+ buffers/cache: 119228 71752 Swap: 401584 376216 25368 [root@localhost bvc]# procinfo Linux 2.4.19-16 (root@localhost.localdomain) (gcc 3.2 ) #1 Sat Feb 15 14:17:34 CST 2003 1CPU [localhost.localdomain] Memory: Total Used Free Shared Buffers Cached Mem: 190980 166260 24720 0 4528 42472 Swap: 401584 376216 25368 Bootup: Sun Mar 30 01:54:46 2003 Load average: 0.05 0.14 0.64 1/42 24804 user : 1:13:29.78 15.2% page in : 1463270 disk 1: 215r 9w nice : 0:02:56.62 0.6% page out: 982898 disk 2: 136054r 86163w system: 0:26:49.45 5.5% swap in : 32541 idle : 6:21:40.72 78.7% swap out: 116330 uptime: 8:04:56.56 context : 10537715 irq 0: 2909657 timer irq 8: 1 rtc irq 1: 7307 keyboard irq 9: 1742152 acpi, nvidia irq 2: 0 cascade [4] irq 11: 43022 usb-uhci, Crystal CS irq 4: 17609213 irq 14: 203146 ide0 irq 6: 3 irq 15: 24 ide1 [root@localhost bvc]# ps -A PID TTY TIME CMD 1 ? 00:00:04 init 2 ? 00:00:00 keventd 3 ? 00:00:00 ksoftirqd_CPU0 4 ? 00:03:47 kswapd 5 ? 00:00:00 bdflush 6 ? 00:00:03 kupdated 9 ? 00:00:00 kreiserfsd 41 ? 00:00:10 minilogd 133 ? 00:00:00 devfsd 217 ? 00:00:00 khubd 379 ? 00:00:00 i2oevtd 381 ? 00:00:00 i2oblock 700 ? 00:00:01 gpm 780 ? 00:00:11 xfs 796 ? 00:00:00 prefdm 811 ? 00:00:00 autologin 819 ? 00:00:00 atd 883 ? 00:00:02 cupsd 909 ? 00:00:00 startx 922 ? 00:00:00 xinit 924 ? 00:24:47 X 1132 ? 00:00:00 crond 1221 ? 00:00:09 waimea 1222 ? 00:00:00 .xinitrc 1227 ? 00:00:11 artsd 1236 ? 00:00:00 wampager 1317 vc/1 00:00:00 mingetty 1319 vc/3 00:00:00 mingetty 1320 vc/4 00:00:00 mingetty 1321 vc/5 00:00:00 mingetty 1324 vc/6 00:00:00 mingetty 1346 ? 00:00:28 gkrellm 1370 ? 00:00:00 idesk 24718 vc/2 00:00:00 mingetty 24721 ? 00:00:00 aterm 24722 pts/0 00:00:00 bash 24761 pts/0 00:00:00 su 24764 pts/0 00:00:00 bash 24824 pts/0 00:00:00 ps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aru Posted March 30, 2003 Report Share Posted March 30, 2003 Just a though: see if ordering the ps output by mem size (ps auxO-s) can give you any hint about the proccess using that amount of memory. Maybe if you kill that proccess you'll free the memory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MottS Posted March 30, 2003 Report Share Posted March 30, 2003 If you want to flush your swap then turn it off and then on. Here is what I do: swapoff /dev/hda7 swapon /dev/hda7 This is what I do on my server (64 Meg ram + 128 Meg swap) when I start X for some config and then turn it off. MOttS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvc Posted March 30, 2003 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2003 Thanks! There wasn't anything using a substantial amount of memory. That's why I was concerned. The largest was X using 13MB. The other 30 to 40 (keep in mind I'm using kde apps) ranged from 8.0 to 0.0. I thought of the swapoff/ swapon but wasn't sure if that was a good idea. I didn't see a prob with it as long as I had some ram available but just wanted a sec opinion. Thanks....that did it....whatever it was. Any way for someone to crack in and use up mem without root being able to see it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aru Posted March 30, 2003 Report Share Posted March 30, 2003 Any way for someone to crack in and use up mem without root being able to see it? Sure there are, just a cracked copy of /bin/ps will do the trick, though I don't believe that that is your problem. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvc Posted May 4, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2003 This is still happening. I read that the new opera7.1 could cause this so I've tried galeon and mozilla and it still occures. If I try any swapoff command I get kicked out of X back to gdm and sometimes rebooted. This was only successful one time without some bad result, like X not really shuting down or something. The main point is that I shouldn't have to be screwing with this. ML9.0 and 8.1 didn't have this prob as stated above it barely even touched my swap, even with kde only about 20-30% would be used after hours of multiple whatever/anything. I've compiled the kernel, taking out most of the unnecessary, and I've done the same with the mm kernel....still happens, with gnome2, kde3.1, and waimea. Nothing in the logs inicate why. I'm at a loss :? I've never known X to use so much memory. Could it be an XFree86-4.3.0 prob? [bvc@localhost bvc]$ free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 190080 182436 7644 0 3392 40364 -/+ buffers/cache: 138680 51400 Swap: 401584 13492 388092 [bvc@localhost bvc]$ free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 190080 168800 21280 0 2932 40220 -/+ buffers/cache: 125648 64432 Swap: 401584 20640 380944 [bvc@localhost bvc]$ free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 190080 182656 7424 0 2444 23880 -/+ buffers/cache: 156332 33748 Swap: 401584 177524 224060 [bvc@localhost bvc]$ free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 190080 160656 29424 0 4756 39464 -/+ buffers/cache: 116436 73644 Swap: 401584 247596 153988 [bvc@localhost bvc]$ free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 190080 160916 29164 0 4756 39464 -/+ buffers/cache: 116696 73384 Swap: 401584 247328 154256 [bvc@localhost bvc]$ free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 190080 175072 15008 0 4496 38688 -/+ buffers/cache: 131888 58192 Swap: 401584 237324 164260 [bvc@localhost bvc]$ free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 190080 171776 18304 0 4072 43572 -/+ buffers/cache: 124132 65948 Swap: 401584 236092 165492 [bvc@localhost bvc]$ How do you get shared mem? Does everyone show 0? [bvc@localhost bvc]$ ps auxO-s USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND root 886 6.6 47.4 552996 90212 ? SL 08:42 11:32 /etc/X11/X :0 -deferglyphs 16 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth vt7 bvc 1995 20.3 15.1 48372 28892 ? S 11:34 0:17 /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/mozilla-bin bvc 2025 0.0 15.1 48372 28892 ? S 11:34 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/mozilla-bin bvc 2026 0.0 15.1 48372 28892 ? S 11:34 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/mozilla-bin bvc 2027 0.0 15.1 48372 28892 ? S 11:34 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/mozilla-bin bvc 2028 0.0 15.1 48372 28892 ? S 11:34 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/mozilla-bin bvc 2033 0.0 15.1 48372 28892 ? S 11:35 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/mozilla-bin bvc 1528 1.1 6.2 24260 11860 ? S 08:43 1:59 gnome-panel --sm-config-prefix /gnome-panel-D7cmvn/ --sm-client-id 117f000001000105010083700000026910002 --screen 0 bvc 1677 0.0 2.2 22656 4184 ? S 09:24 0:04 /usr/bin/gnome-terminal bvc 1503 0.0 1.7 10780 3404 ? S 08:43 0:02 /usr/lib/gconfd-2 11 bvc 1529 0.0 0.5 10428 1120 ? S 08:43 0:00 idesk xfs 792 0.0 0.3 6632 676 ? S 08:42 0:00 [xfs] bvc 1533 0.0 0.9 11844 1836 ? S 08:43 0:04 /usr/bin/gkrellm bvc 1538 0.0 0.9 11844 1836 ? S 08:43 0:00 /usr/bin/gkrellm bvc 1407 0.0 0.5 16024 1060 ? S 08:43 0:01 gnome-session bvc 1509 0.6 2.1 12120 4040 ? S 08:43 1:09 metacity --sm-save-file 1051997398-3713-1914501147.ms root 955 0.0 0.1 4956 328 ? S 08:42 0:00 cupsd bvc 1505 0.0 0.1 3520 280 ? S 08:43 0:00 /usr/bin/esd -terminate -nobeeps -as 2 -spawnfd 15 bvc 1513 0.0 0.2 15188 472 ? S 08:43 0:01 gnome-settings-daemon --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_SettingsDaemon --oaf-ior-fd=14 bvc 1541 0.0 0.9 14436 1716 ? S 08:43 0:01 /usr/lib/mixer_applet2 --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_MixerApplet_Factory --oaf-ior-fd=18 root 1523 0.0 0.1 4552 204 ? S 08:43 0:00 [wvdial] bvc 2076 0.0 0.3 2604 744 pts/1 R 11:36 0:00 ps auxO-s bvc 1543 0.0 0.7 14084 1416 ? S 08:43 0:00 /usr/lib/notification-area-applet --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_NotificationAreaApplet_Factory --oaf-ior-fd=20 root 695 0.0 0.0 2188 164 ? S 08:42 0:00 klogd -2 root 885 0.0 0.0 12924 0 ? SW 08:42 0:00 [gdm-binary] bvc 1679 0.0 0.3 2976 700 pts/0 S 09:24 0:00 bash bvc 2037 9.2 0.9 2972 1900 pts/1 S 11:36 0:00 bash bvc 1507 0.0 0.6 4388 1268 ? S 08:43 0:00 /usr/lib/bonobo-activation-server --ac-activate --ior-output-fd=17 root 842 0.0 0.0 11872 0 ? SW 08:42 0:00 [gdm-binary] root 135 0.0 0.2 2064 408 ? S 08:42 0:00 devfsd /dev bvc 1525 0.0 0.2 4364 504 ? S 08:43 0:03 xscreensaver -nosplash bvc 2036 2.5 0.8 3128 1540 ? S 11:36 0:00 /usr/bin/aterm -T Aterm -bg black -fg DarkGray -sl 6500 root 880 0.0 0.0 1984 4 ? S 08:42 0:00 xinetd -stayalive -reuse -pidfile /var/run/xinetd.pid root 1544 0.0 0.0 2024 0 ttyS0 SW 08:44 0:00 [pppd] bvc 1992 0.0 0.4 2020 920 ? S 11:34 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/soundwrapper /usr/bin/mozilla bvc 1519 0.0 0.0 2016 4 ? S 08:43 0:00 /bin/bash /home/bvc/.xsession bvc 1520 0.0 0.0 2016 4 ? S 08:43 0:00 /bin/bash /home/bvc/.xsession root 687 0.0 0.0 1452 188 ? S 08:42 0:00 syslogd -m 0 bvc 1773 0.0 0.0 3084 4 ? S 09:33 0:00 gnome-name-service rpc 673 0.0 0.0 1508 124 ? S 08:42 0:00 [portmap] root 1114 0.0 0.0 1412 120 ? S 08:42 0:00 crond root 855 0.0 0.0 1356 4 ? S 08:42 0:00 /usr/sbin/acpid root 709 0.0 0.0 1424 60 ? S 08:42 0:00 gpm -m /dev/usbmouse -t ps/2 bvc 1678 0.0 0.0 1832 0 ? SW 09:24 0:00 [gnome-pty-helpe] root 1 0.0 0.0 1356 76 ? S 08:42 0:04 init [3] daemon 834 0.0 0.0 1392 104 ? S 08:42 0:00 [atd] root 1215 0.0 0.0 1332 4 vc/1 S 08:42 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty1 root 1216 0.0 0.0 1332 4 vc/2 S 08:42 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty2 root 1217 0.0 0.0 1332 4 vc/3 S 08:42 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty3 root 1218 0.0 0.0 1332 4 vc/4 S 08:42 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty4 root 1219 0.0 0.0 1332 4 vc/5 S 08:42 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty5 root 1220 0.0 0.0 1332 4 vc/6 S 08:42 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty6 root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:42 0:00 [keventd] root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SWN 08:42 0:00 [ksoftirqd_CPU0] root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:42 0:02 [kswapd] root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:42 0:00 [bdflush] root 6 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:42 0:00 [kupdated] root 9 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:42 0:00 [kreiserfsd] root 221 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 08:42 0:00 [khubd] [bvc@localhost bvc]$ how does one use priority with swapon? the man page for swapoff says -p priority Specify priority for swapon. This option is only available if swapon was compiled under and is used under a 1.3.2 or later kernel. priority is a value between 0 and 32767. See swapon(2) for a full description of swap priorities. Add pri=value to the option field of /etc/fstab for use with swapon -a. but the swapon man says the same thing. uuummm...what is swapon(2)? Would messing with this help? Thanks again :!: Celeron600 and 192MB RAM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvc Posted May 4, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2003 [bvc@localhost bvc]$ free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 190080 151616 38464 0 5880 61828 -/+ buffers/cache: 83908 106172 Swap: 401584 400660 924 [bvc@localhost bvc]$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aru Posted May 4, 2003 Report Share Posted May 4, 2003 thats scaring :? How do you get shared mem? Does everyone show 0? Yes, since kernels 2.4 (at least that's what I read long ago). Now I don't have much time, but for sure I'm interested in your problem and I'd like to try to help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aru Posted May 4, 2003 Report Share Posted May 4, 2003 I'm back :P but with no help :( I've googled a bit, and tried a few commands (fuser and lsof) to see if I can see which proccesses are using my swap (only 4Mb used) with no results; Conclusion: the ps command is our best friend here. What I see is that the problem is not with the programs allocated into your swap. The problem is with the active ones that are pushing the rest into swap. 500000Kb of virtual memory used by X!!!!??? :shock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvc Posted May 4, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2003 thanks aru for your time! At the time of earlier postings cat /proc/swaps showed a priority of -1 and the man page says pri= should be between 0 and 32767. :shock: So I added pri=10 to fstab and things seem a little better if any, and rapidly declining. [root@localhost proc]# free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 190080 177560 12520 0 2972 34624 -/+ buffers/cache: 139964 50116 Swap: 401584 36348 365236 [root@localhost proc]# free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 190080 182316 7764 0 2696 27836 -/+ buffers/cache: 151784 38296 Swap: 401584 124256 277328 [root@localhost proc]# man swapon [root@localhost proc]# free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 190080 180584 9496 0 2948 29180 -/+ buffers/cache: 148456 41624 Swap: 401584 176536 225048 [root@localhost proc]# [bvc@localhost bvc]$ ps auxO-s USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND root 873 9.2 46.9 492236 89216 ? S<L 14:43 14:03 /etc/X11/X -deferglyphs 16 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-8s9SLI bvc 1634 7.6 16.5 58100 31424 ? S 14:47 11:23 /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/mozilla-bin bvc 1664 0.0 16.5 58100 31424 ? S 14:47 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/mozilla-bin bvc 1665 0.0 16.5 58100 31424 ? S 14:47 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/mozilla-bin bvc 1666 0.0 16.5 58100 31424 ? S 14:47 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/mozilla-bin bvc 1668 0.0 16.5 58100 31424 ? S 14:47 0:04 /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/mozilla-bin bvc 1988 0.0 16.5 58100 31424 ? S 16:41 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/mozilla-bin bvc 1493 0.9 6.2 24180 11844 ? S 14:44 1:25 gnome-panel --sm-config-prefix /gnome-panel-D7cmvn/ --sm-client-id 117f000001000105010083700000026910002 --screen 0 bvc 2149 1.7 6.3 23500 12036 ? S 17:14 0:02 /usr/bin/gedit I just haven't had the chance to google for this priority thing....been a liitle busy with...well other things :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aru Posted May 4, 2003 Report Share Posted May 4, 2003 I have that priority too, so I don't know if changing it will fix your problem :? /# cat /proc/swaps Filename Type Size Used Priority /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part8 partition 248968 4432 -1 I'm still thinking that your X consumes too much memory: /# ps aux | grep "[X] " root 2434 3.3 2.8 41952 7392 ? S May04 6:59 /etc/X11/X :0 -dp From my slackware: [root@paleo: ~]# cat /proc/swaps Filename Type Size Used Priority /dev/hda2 partition 229816 0 -1 [root@paleo: ~]# ps aux | grep "[X] " root 157 1.3 6.9 23548 17808 ? S 01:27 1:00 X :0 A priority of -1 means that swap is non-prioritized whatever that means, so is a right value (priority makes sense IMHO when there are more than one swap device or file) [edited] Added slackware's swaps output Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Scrimpshire Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 Now I'm worried. My X uses 306,000: [root@localhost omar]# ps auxO-s USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND root 2548 9.5 9.0 306760 34784 ? SL May02 361:00 /etc/X11/X :0 -deferglyphs 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvc Posted May 6, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 I lowered my res (everything is so big :shock: ), took out some NVIDIA options that make things a little better, changed themes to be quite basic and a not so intense wallpaper, and though it takes longer to get there it's still root 1356 2.9 51.3 403856 97628 ? SL 21:11 4:22 [X] [bvc@localhost bvc]$ ps auxO-s USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND root 1356 2.9 50.3 404472 95728 ? RL 21:11 4:23 [X] I've searched and serached with google......this sucks BTW....I don't have this prob in Slackware 9.0 which also has XFree86-4.3 and kernel-2.4.21. Oh, and also tried gdm, kdm, mdkkdm, Xtart, and startx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonMage Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 Do you think this is an X and NVIDIA driver problem? In my desktop, I see X using 167,652. It is using X-Free 4.3 and NVidia driver (looking at lsmod, I see that NVidia driver takes 1678784 of whatever it is). In my server with similar desktop configuration (kde 3.1, gkrellm on every desktop, same resolution and all), it takes much less memory footprint. The only difference between my desktop and server video wise is that my server uses SIS 730S built in video ( I have to allocate 16 meg from main memory for video). Yeah, everything seems to load and redraw slower in my server but X doesn't take that much memory footprint in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvc Posted May 6, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 what's up with that??? I just did a reboot after creating a second swap :roll: and it's used 10 times???? :? nvidia 1671552 10 (autoclean) time to google again :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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