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I hate Gnome, Ubuntu logo and their philosophy behind.

But what I'd want in Mandrake is apt-get

:lol2:

apt-get is the result of that very philosophy, for lack of a better word. :woot:

That doesn't mean I don't dislike the philosophy.

Besides I was targeting more towards that Ubuntu "all are equal" philosophy, not Debian

and Ubuntu is too nice (giving away free cd's) for my taste. :angry::screwy:

Edited by solarian

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...There are some better things to hate, methinks, than generous people...

aye! :thanks:

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I decided to try Ubuntu so I spent a bunch of time on this Thanksgiving holiday getting it up.

 

It is definitely a very nice and fast distro, but as a KDE user getting used to this Gnome is a bear. Nautilis drives me nuts. I have been so used to using KDE in split screen to drag and drop files that the inability, as best I can determine, to do it in Gnome is a pain, so it's back to mc, which I do like. I am sure there are ways to configure Gnome, but they are not yet known to me.

 

One problem I did have was getting my usb picked up. Ubuntu knows there is my Epson scanner there , but there is no dev/usb. I never had a problem like this in Debian (using Sarge).

 

Anyway I'll play around with it and try to get the hang of it. Like Debian I just plain love their philosophy.

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If you get these repos cybr posted you can "apt-get install kde"

 

# deb cdrom:[ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Unofficial i386 Binary-1 (20040915)]/ unstable main restricted

 

 

# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted

# deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted

 

## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network

## and be able to use more than 12000 unsupported packages from the universe archive.

 

# deb http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe

# deb-src http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe

 

deb http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe

deb-src http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe

 

deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing non-free

 

# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe

# deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe

 

deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted

deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted

 

# Mplayer packages

# Mplayer and dvd::rip (video-dvdrip)

#deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main

deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main

#deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main

 

##Brandon Hale MONO debs

#deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./

 

I have it on here and it works fine.

 

FX

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I know I can install kde and probably will, just a gripe about gnome. I think my gripe is a lot of ignorance and comfort with kde. I do think, however, that konqueror is vastly superior to nautilus for what I do.

 

Thanks for the repository lists.

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nautilus doesn't have the options that konq does. Like when you drag and drop, naut won't ask what to do. This is currently being worked on. See the last 2 post here for browser view.

http://gnomesupport.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6672&start=15

I leave the default spatial nautilus and either rt-click a folder when I want browser, (naut's bookmarks don't go to epiphany like konq in konq :screwy: so they are handy) or make a shortcut

nautilus -no-desktop --browser <DIR_name>

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btw, yum is much faster now in fc3 :P

 

Yum in Fedora Core 3 has over a 40% speed improvement, thanks to how dependency checking works now.

 

yum is fater now! click me to read more.

 

/me has experience with it too so he can make such a statement 8)

 

oh, back to topic:

 

I would use Ubuntu over mdk any day, but I like Fedora more than Ubuntu.

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Guest Adriano

I have no problem with Gnome (I'm using it at the moment, on 'Drake 10.1). What I have some problems with, using Ubuntu, are the following:

-It deletes your previous bootloader and doesn't pick up the other OSs installed

-It doesn't connect to the net (I use ADSL, and every device is properly detected in Mandrake).

-It doesn't install info packages, even with some packages that use them for docs (e.g. grub, their chosen bootloader). So you're up shit creek with no paddle.

-It doesn't include any other useful docs (namely, the HOWTOs, at least) with which to solve the above.

 

Maybe these are problems of the 64 bit version (the one I'm trying). Still, it assumes just too much for my taste.

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- you can skip the installation of the bootloader with hitting "esc" during the install-phase. or you can alternatively use lilo instead of grub. no problem there. ;)

- all of the documentation is available via apt-get later.

- my networking-devices were detected instantly on three different boxes. maybe you simply got bad luck. :unsure:

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I believe the grub/bootloader might be a bug in the 64bit, I had one install were it didn't give me a choice and then a few days later installed it on another drive and I could have sworn it asked me that time.

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for me, the installer never even thought of asking about the bootloader. And I certaily can't apt-get something if thething doesn't connect to the net...

 

Actually, I used pppoeconf, it created the connection, told me it's active, I could see with plog that I have an IP and a DNS pair... but no dice. I try pinging those, but I get nothing.

Edited by Adrianovaroli

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I used to have Mandrake 10.0 until I have installed Ubuntu.

Since then I am Ubuntu for it's much faster on my systems.

A few points:

- for Ubuntu with a kde flavor you may want to try kubuntu; there is also Xubuntu

- true that Grub is installed on top of the current MBR, but you can choose not to install it. I had no problems when detecting other OS installed (xp)

- Ubuntu repositories are great and the installation/upgrade is very fast and w/o problems, not even rebooing/leaving the os, even after upgrade.

- I have seen all three major releases 4.10, 5.4 and 5.10 and I anly saw good things from a version to another.

- there is a server version to install, choosing server at initial install prompt (not fully tested by me)

- there is (not maintained anymore) a free Ubuntuguide, a great doc made by someone in Malaysia.

- ubuntu main pages is done in zope and plone, with wiki - great tool.

 

I really loved mandrake, had it for two years, but ubuntu really helps me concentrate on using the OS and not tweking it so much.

I also want to add that Ubuntu has a great comunity with local teams recognized, and helped by the central team. Needless to say that Ubuntu is free and comes in a "1 CD install" which can help a lot in regions with slow or no Internet connection. Shipit (free CD's from Canonical) it's another great idea for gettig Linux and Ubuntu known.

 

I represent the Romanian Ubuntu community and I give a big Hello to everyone.

Edited by nmsa

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