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Yes, John. As I was fiddling around, I found that one can just restart IceWM without logging out for most config fiddling (doesn't always work when fiddling with making a default theme, however). I also discovered a handy shortcut for all the options....the old "three finger salute": just press CTRL + ALT + DEL and you get the options to Logout, Restart IceWM, Reboot, Shutdown, Cancel, and Workstation. Faster than going to the Menu and Submenu. You've been a great help! I'll probably have more IceWM questions eventually. Thanks, both to you and Peep! Richard

Thanks, John! I went to KDE, opened Konqueror, and changed the name of the folder to .icewm-old. Then I restarted and logged into IceWM., which took its configuration from the global files as you had stated. Great! Now I know that if I mess up again, I can just do the same as above. I will continue doing your suggestions in earlier threads and get back to let you know my progress. Sincerely, Richard L.

Thanks to both of you again. I have only had the time to rename the preference files, but that didn't get me back to defaults, such as being able to click on the desktop (right-click, i.e. button three to show the start menu) and having the three apps on the taskbar show up as icons instead of words (xterm, emacs, mozilla). When I have more time the next couple of days, I will do more of johnKFT's suggestions, such as icon paths, tray icon default for minimizations, etc. Now my question is: if I totally mess things up further, how do I uninstall IceWM (do I do something with urpme?), and will I have to remove it somehow from the login sessions (how do I do this, too, if needed)? Also, how do I re-install, using the Mandrake 9.1 discs? Thanks again Richard L.

Thanks Peep and John for your responses. First off, I've never taken a computer course and have only learned a couple of things to do in a command line in Linux (no experience at all in Dos), so bear with my lack of skills, please. I'm not very technical and have recently come over from Windows to using MDK9.1. So I am still mainly a point and click GUI computer user, which may, as a result, have gotten me into trouble. Peep, I did download the IceWMControl Panel, which is nicer than IcePrefs. It doesn't appear in the Menu , however. But I did figure out I could open it from a command line by running: IceWMCP (I figured this out by doing either "whereis IceWM" or "locate "IceWM", I forget which, and then intuitively just typing IceWMCP when I saw that abbreviation located in some file somewhere). Peep, how do you open up the Control Panel? After messing with IcePrefs and IceWM Control Panel, I then used Konqueror to try to fix these things in IceWM. I went to View and checked "Show hidden files". I then clicked on and opened the .icewm folder which is in my /home/richard directory. Inside I have three files labeled "preferences": The first is a Plain Text file dated 05/04/03 (May 4) 09:41 pm (21.14). The second is "preference~" : which is labled a BackUp File with the same date, but with the earlier time of 05:39 pm (17.39). The third is a plain text file called "preferences.backup-file at 09:41 pm. If my configurations have caused me such a mess, how do I switch back to one of these backup files to get IceWM the way it originally was? Or is this the right approach? I don't remember how I made a backup file unless I went to the file menu and after making a few changes did a "save as...". I really don't remember all the steps I did. So johnKFT, in conclusion, it appears I still have my ~/.icewm folder, but that the changes occurred first in IcePrefs from the IceWM menu, then one of the preferences files by means of using Konqueror and KWrite. I have no way of knowing if it is the "original"~/.icewm folder, but it appears to be in Konqueror. I appreciate everyone's help and patience with me. I'm learning a lot from your support. Thanks! Richard L.

Okay, I uninstalled AfterStep-1.8.10-1rh7.i386.rpm and installed the Mandrake version: 1.8.11 from the website http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/2/simple/2 As per instructions from bvc, I did the following: " . . . click the Uncheck All button, then check only Mandrake9x. A cookie will usually remember this next time you go there. Speakeasy will always list Mandrake Cooker first, and rpmpbone can find Texstar stuff..." which led me to the Mandrake files for AfterStep. After I downloaded and installed it, for about two minutes, I could click on AfterStep's Desktop to get its menu, and voila!, Mandrake's menu was a submenu within it. HOWEVER****, after two minutes, the only menu I get when I left-click on the menu is the Mandrake Menu...there is no longer the main AfterStep Menu, which means I can no longer configure anything in AfterStep. UNLESS*** Is there a command line that I can use in Xterm to open up AfterStep's menu???? In addition, the only icon that shows on Wharf in this Mandrake version of AS are the Eyes, which do nothing useful. The box for Applications does open up, but with no icons; however, a tooltip lets me know that one of these empty spaces is xterm, and when I click on it, it opens up. Does anyone know how to put icons on apps in the Wharf and how to add apps to the Wharf? But most importantly, I want to open up the AfterStep menu! [Note: I've gone to their website, but I didn't understand their documentation...it was too technical for me.] Thanks! Richard L.

I entered the following in a Google search. I'm assuming that you are probably coming from Windows, or that you may have Windows on your box. Anyway, my search results were from typing: "burn iso with Roxio Easy CD Creator" http://www.request.com/documentation/HelpG...urnARQCDISO.pdf http://homepages.borland.com/efg2lab/Libra...oCDCreator5.pdf It all depends on your software. You may have Nero. If you are in linux, then try: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Sentry-Firewall-CD-HOWTO-3.html I hope these will help you. If not, remember you have to maybe purchase software (if you're in Windows) to burn iso images. Sinderely, Richard L.

Does anyone use IceWM? I was messing around with the IcePrefs, and suddenly several things don't function like they should. Problem #1: In MDK9.1 and IceWM, on the taskbar, the Terminal, Emacs, and Mozilla are represented by icons as the default; however, somehow these three buttons are labeled with words instead of their icons. I've gone into IcePrefs and cannot find how to change them back to their icons, as I hate word labels for buttons on the taskbar. Problem #2: According to what is set in IcePrefs for Mouse buttons and clicking on the desktop: first mouse button (i.e. left): show window list menu; second mouse button (i.e. middle): show window list; and third mouse button(i.e. right): show menu. Even though these are set as such in the IcePrefs, each time I click on the desktop with *any* mouse button, nothing happens! The mouse buttons were working on the desktop earlier today. Problem #3: I would like IceWM to open up with a particular theme of my choosing each time, but everytime it opens up, it opens to its default theme (which I've never figured out which one that is. :roll:) Problem #4: When IceWM opens and I open a window, I'd like as default for the minimized action of the window to be a tray icon (which sits below the clock), rather than a window button on the taskbar. As of this moment, I have to reset this in the Window menu for each open window manually during each session. All help is greatly appreciated! In advance...thanks! Sincerely, Richard L.

Here is what John G. and I installed from www.afterstep.org/Download.php website at HLUG on Wed. night: AfterStep-1.8.10-1rh7.i386.rpm and AfterStep-1.8.10-1rh7.src.rpm There wasn't anything from Mandrake at their site. I just went back there and found that all these downloads are a couple of years old. I guess you did an advance Google search that included mdk --which you taught me to do but I keep forgetting, "mr. smarty" (LOL) :wink: Anyway, how do I uninstall the 1.8.10-1rh7.i386 version and its src?? I'm asking because after I did a cd /usr/src/RPM/RPMS/i586/ and rpm -ivh <pkg_name> for each rpm. I got messages stating that the lib and devel conflict with the 1.8.10 versions. So I guess I want to uninstall my present version of AfterStep and install the AfterStep-1.8.11-2mdk.alpha.rpm that I just downloaded to go with the AfterStep-1.8.11-2mdk.src.rpm???? Very confused :roll: :? (But not panicking yet...he-he) Richard

In Gnome, the Applications menu is part of the Menu panel that by default is at the top of your screen (the default of Gnome), similar to the MacOs before OSX. Mandrake 9.1 may not have it set as default, just as Red Hat no longer does, since they both have customized Gnome with Bluecurve/Galaxy. It is next to the Gnome Menu and it lets you log out and do a couple of other things. Right click on your present panel and you can select Menu panel and it will appear at the top.

I got it, bvc! I found it in /usr/bin/X11/afterstep I edited the /etc file as you suggested, using vi (hey! I'm getting the hang of vi, FINALLY!) I first tried /usr/X11R6/bin/afterstep, but that one didn't work. I found that when I tried /usr/bin/X11/afterstep, I had to reboot in order for it to show in the list of Sessions, since it did not appear when I simply logged out, then logged back in. I had already gone to their website. On it, I didn't understand how to get the AfterStep Menu to show the menu that is used in Mandrake, or KDE, or Gnome. Almost all the menu items in its default seem to be disabled, because they include things like an older version (4.x, I believe) of Netscape and StarOffice and other things that are not in Mandrake 9.1. There isn't even a listing for Games! So its menu is only good for configuring AfterStep's desktop, windows, themes, etc. and nothing else. Any help on the Menu from anyone is greatly appreciated. Richard L.

IMHO, the most user friendly word processor is Lotus Word Pro, part of Lotus SmartSuite. I also really enjoy SmartSuite's Freelance Graphics and especially its really fantastic Lotus Organizer. So I have to disagree with my fellow Houstonian and friend bvc since I started out on MS Office 97, but learned Lotus SmartSuite when it came free with my IBM Aptiva in 1999 (destroyed by tropical storm Allison in 2001), and also free with two Toshiba laptops. It's InfoBox is so much faster to use for formatting text and setting up pages than anything else, and I've used MS Office 97, 2000, XP; WordPerfect 9, StarOffice and OpenOffice.org. Nothing else compares...and more than being functional, it's fun to use! So I keep WinXP on a separate partition for it and its SmartCenter. I sure wish that IBM had not cut back its Lotus stafff and would really make a Linux version of Lotus SmartSuite; but about eight months ago they stopped selling it in retail stores, and it can only be bought on their website. :( Also, another program I can't do without in Windows is called Atomica (recently renamed Gurunet...go to www.atomica.com). But now I'm in Linux at home about 90% of the time because its a greater learning tool and also fun. :wink: Sincerely, Richard L.

I just tried your suggestion, bvc. However, AfterStep doesn't show up in the Session Type when I log in. EXEC=/usr/bin/afterstep #(or whatever...find out with which afterstep) SCRIPT: exec /usr/bin/afterstep #(or whatever...find out with which afterstep) How do I find out with which afterstep, since the edits I did like in your example above did not work? Thanks! Richard P.S. I'm burning Morphix CD's tomorrow!

Thanks bvc! On weeknight evenings I'm a little tired since I get up at 4:30 am to get ready for work, and I'm afraid I'll screw it up; therefore, I'll wait until the weekend after some rest to try to do this. AfterStep seems to have some really cool features, such as its animated wallpaper. I'm going to have fun playing with it! Cheers from a fellow Houstononian :wink: Richard

I think you're right, cybrjackle, in my case it is the MandrakeSoft folder. Somehow it was no longer the Personal Toolbar folder. I took all the bookmarks that I had had in the newly created PT folder and put them in the MandrakeSoft folder, then renamed it, then I went to Edit and made it the new PT folder; however, under bookmarks the folder icon to the left of it changed to a "Group of Tabs" icon. Strange...in Red Hat, and Windows, it still has a folder icon to its left under the Bookmarks menu. Anyway, it now functions as the PT folder, allowing my bookmarks and grouped tabs (I have one called LinuxForums) to appear on the PT. Thanks again! Sincerely, Richard

Tonight at our HLUG (meets every Wed.), I downloaded AfterStep since it isn't included on the MDK9.1 discs. When I log in, I'd like to add it to show up in the list of Desktop Environments to choose from (I use the graphic login for username and password). One of the members of HLUG created a script so that after I have logged into a different DE I could get into AfterStep by pressing CTRL + ALT + F2, login with name and password, and then type "xrun afterstep" (without the quotes). Then after I quit AfterStep, I do the "dirty" CTRL +ALT +Backspace to get out of X. Well, at least with the script I can switch back and forth between the two environments (...F2 with AfterStep and ...F7 with KDE/Gnome/or IceWM -- whichever I logged in with). Since I'm a real nontechie with limited command line experience, a detailed, step-by-step procedure to add AfterStep to the list of sessions on start up would be greatly appreciated. In advance, thanks! Richard L.

I did another Google search and came up with these instructions. I'm at work now and don't know if this is the solution until I get back home late this afternoon ( at the moment at work in Windows with no Mozilla nor Netscape): 1. Under Bookmarks, select Manage Bookmarks. 2. In the Manage Bookmarks window, under File, select New > Folder. 3. Give the folder the name "Personal Toolbar Folder". 4. Then, under View, select "Set as Personal Toolbar Folder." 5. Add what you'd like to the folder to have displayed in the personal toolbar. In the meantime, if anyone has the desire to test this during the day to see if it works, let me know. Thanks! Sincerely, Richard L.

I made a folder and labelled it Personal Toolbar Folder as per your instructions, but unfortunately it doesn't really function. I tested it by dragging a couple of bookmarks into it to see if they would actually appear on the Personal Toolbar, but they didn't. Thanks again. I know there is a way to get the "real" Personal Toolbar Folder back. All help is appreciated. Richard L.

I checked Mozilla on my desktop in both Windows XP and in Red Hat 8, and the Personal Toolbar folder exists in both under the Bookmarks menu. This is important in that if it exists in the Bookmarks menu, then it also exists in the Bookmark manager, allowing you to right-click on bookmarks and rename them. On the Personal Toolbar itself, I am able to drag and drop URL addresses and I am able to right-click the Personal Toolbar and add a New Folder. From the PT itself I can right-click on the folder and rename it. However, when I drag and drop bookmarks into the folder from the address bar, I can open the folder, but I can't right-click on the bookmark to change its name. This is why it is important that the PT Folder appear under the Bookmarks menu and in the Bookmark Manager...in order to edit. If anyone knows the way to activate the PT Folder under the Bookmarks Menu, please help. This occurred to me once before about a year ago in Windows and someone helped me with it then, but I don't remember how it was done. I have done a Google search already in Google groups but did not come up with my problem. In advance, thanks to all! Sincerely, Richard L.

Yes, pmpatrick, the personal toolbar is showing and is checked (i.e. ticked) under the View menu. I had already confirmed that before writing the message. I had also gone to Mozilla's Help Contents and studied it, which assumes that the Personal Toolbar folder is already in the Bookmark manager ready to add grouped bookmarks and folders to. Showing/hiding the personal toolbar is irrelevant to having the folder in the Bookmark manager. That only shows and hides it as a toolbar under the menu bar. Thanks anyway.

When I click on Bookmarks >Manage Bookmarks > the window called "Bookmark Manager" is supposed to have the Personal Toolbar Folder in it. The Personal Toolbar Folder allows you to add a group of tabs to the personal toolbar, or to add folder of bookmarks. When I open up the Bookmark Manager, I don't have the Personal Toolbar folder showing in it. This happened to me in Mozilla months ago in either Windows or in Linux, and I was successful in getting the Personal Toolbar folder to show in the Bookmark Manager, but I forgot how I did it. Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance. Richard L.

I have the mplayerplug-in installed in both Mozilla 1.3 and Netscape 7.0. When I go to the menu of each for Help ->About Plugins, all the files for the mplayerplugins are there for all media types (quicktime, etc.) However, when I go to the "test" website that illogic-al gave: http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/x2/large.html I get the message on a white square: mplayer plug-in Loading movie... But no movie ever loads! It just times out. Now, I'm just a point-and-clicker, non-techie simpleton. I installed mplayer 0.9 from the three cd's of MDK 9.1 and then went to the sourceforge.net for the mplayer plug-in. I did an su to root, then copied the plugin into: /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/plugins (it's called mplayerplug-in.so) and also copied it into: /usr/local/netscape/plugins So what did I do wrong? In both browsers I get for Quicktime: mplayer plug-in Loading movie.. But a quicktime movie never loads, but times out. Please help with super easy instructions. Please remember that I'm not technical at all. Thanks!

Some older scanners, printers, and other hardware may not have drivers for Windows XP because the manufacturer hadn't/ didn't want to spend the time to give XP support to older models. They gave drivers to more recent models that came out to market a year or less before WinXP, but not to anything older. Richard L.

Glad I was able to help! :wink: Richard L.

Fissy, I forgot to mention this to you. There is a "bug" in the new kernel with MDK 9.1 and other distros regarding ACPI, which is the power management for newer laptops for the last year or so. ACPI has repleased APM (Advanced Power Management). When you are on Mandrake 9.1, open up a program called "top". You can do this from the Run command. If you are in KDE, right-click on your desktop and choose "Run Command...". Then type top and press the run button (or press Enter on your keyboard). If you are in Gnome, you can find the Run Command on the Gnome Menu. A program called top should appear on your screen showing run processes. Look for something called KEVENTD. It may be sucking up 99.7% of your CPU usage. There is a fix for this, but it requires recompiling the kernel. For those who know Linux, it is easy to do.) This problem is with the Linux kernel version 2.4.20 or 2.4.21, etc. It is not caused by Mandrake. So it appears that all new distros at the moment will have this problem. If you have this problem, start a new thread in the LAPTOPS section of this forum and title it something like: ACPI and Keventd in MDK 9.1. Regards, Richard L.

I have the Toshiba Satellite 5005-S507 and the 5205-S703 and this is a common problem with the Linux kernel and the newer Toshiba Satellites; however, I read on a message board that someone just installed the new version of SuSe 8.2 on his/her Toshiba and apparently the bouncing keyboard issue in SuSe 8.2 had been resolved. So it looks like this will be resolved soon for all distros which include the "Toshiba extras" in the kernel for recompiling in the future. Okay...I'll assume that you are comfortable with editing config files in Linux (I, however, am not and have to get help from my local Houston Linux Users Group or from forums like this). Here goes: 1. become root and cd to yhour etc/X11 directory. 2. make a backup of your KF86Config-4 file and call it something like XF86Config-4-OLD. 3. Open an editor such as vi to edit your XF86Configl-4 file. You will now uncomment a line that looks like this -- "XkbDisable" by removing the comment-out # sign from the left of it. [NOTE: In the vi editor, I believe you press the letter i key to insert and edit lines, then when you are finished you type something like :qw for quit and write/save the edit in order to exit out (or qw!), but I may have this a little confused. Another member of this forum can help with vi steps.] 4. Exit out of X if you're inside of it, and then log back in as User. You should now have a functional keyboard. The problem here is with the Toshiba keyboard buffer. When X tries to grab the buffer, it's using software drivers which are reporting incorrect values with quick entry. Uncommenting XkbDisable forces X to pull keyboard entries directly from the hardware. All the above are notes that I saved from another message board, so don't ask me to clarify this any further, as I am not technical. Do you usually type in English? The reason why I am asking this is because doing the above will keep you from using the Alt key with a letter combinations to add accent marks, such as in French, German, Spanish, etc. If you need to use combination keys with the Alt key to add accent marks, then there is a utility you can download and use called, I think AccessX. You can use that program to configure and slow down the keyboard. I'll try to research AccessX later in the next day or two if you need that option instead of the above. Please respond and let us know if this is the right solution for you. Regards, Richard L.