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If you can get TeamSpeak and a game to work together in Linux let me know who you did it and how many hoops you had too jump through. ;) One reason why I still keep a windows partition yet.

Playing around with different themes.

Man thats a hell of a MS "Look-a-like" theme you got going there!!!! You get that at kde-look or gnome-look.org?

Sherpa, If you are running Fedora here is a good site. http://fedoraforum.org/forum/ If you are running Fedora Core 3 here is a link to setup your yum.conf. http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.ph...hlight=yum.conf I think that there is a frontend now also for yum. There some posts here about it. http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.ph...hlight=yum.conf

lol I win that one!!!

Easy way for Joe Blow to copy then burn a dvd movie. I mean an EASY way!! Can I hear of one? Cause I really would like to know.

Free Beer!!!!

Ok I admit defeat. Linux is the next best thing to buttered bread and it just works with no problems. Bye now.

Thanks bvc.

Cool bvc. Find them at gnome-look.org?

My nominated screenshot. Ubuntu Hoary.

Welcome fellow Cheesehead. :D Ubuntu is a wonderful distro to use. I have kde running with not problems here.

I've noticed that I've kind of brought alot of negativity into the thread against Linux. So here is my idea on how to really get Linux going. All you younger people that are still in school, from grade school on up let your school know the benefits of Linux. This will not only get people to learn linux, but also show them there are other options out there besides MS. One of the problems with linux is that most people have used MS their whole life and moving to Linux is a learning curve, not matter what is said its a learning curve. One way to combat that, is get the school systems to use Linux. Introduce younger people to Linux, when they are more interested in learning. Younger people are more willing to take on the learning curve. With more and more schools using Linux that will be or could be the best PR for Linux.

SP 2 works fine here. Again to you updating MS and the anti virus maybe a pain in the ass, but to Joe Blow whos already been using MS for years finds it easy by either having the anit-virus update automatically, which by default it does on install or just a matter of a couple of mouse clicks. Far as updating MS its just a couple of clicks. Try to install gaim for Mandrake if you don't have your urmpi sources setup or your cd's. Course that is after you explain to them what gaim is, then you have to explain to Joe Blow what urmpi is and how to setup it up after telling him where the site is and this is just Mandrake. There are what 200 or so other distros that just happen to do things their own little way. That can of worms hasn't even been touched yet in this thread, or at least I might have missed it. Uniformity would be really nice, but again, I'll get cut down on that comment by some/most too. Linux needs to made easier to use, and thats it. All other arugements are useless until that happens. Again us/we/those of us here know that ONCE you learn linux its not that hard. Key word being ONCE and LEARN.

You all are forgetting something and its the main point. We are geeks, not in a bad sense, but still, we are geeks. Joe Blow is not a geek. He's just your regular pc user that likes to play games once in a while. Don't say they don't exist because they do. I have a couple of friends that are pretty good with computers, but at windows. Everyone is putting the damn cart in front of the horse here with this stupid game talk. Before you get the games for linux you need a easy way to get the damn vid drivers installed, plain and simple. The future of any O.S. depends on the Joe Blows out there running the internet, email, and maybe a simple or complex game or two. I can tell you right now that for ME the nvidia drivers are easy to install for ME, but my neighbor even though I'd have him use Ubuntu, wouldn't know how to "apt-get install nvidia*" and even if I showed him, I'd also have to show him how to edit files to get it to load on boot and other crap. Plain and simple Linux is not easy!! Joe Blow is NOT going to use Linux if its too much work!!!! Don't go running back to virii/malware/spyware excuse either. Yes Linux is good in that area and it does really shine, but with proper software, knowledge (common sense for a better word) and the use of a different browser than I.E. windows can be just as safe as Linux. In the years I used Windows before finding Linux I never had one virus and still on my gaming machine when I surf the net with it I still do not get any of that crap. So it can be done. The other factor most of you are forgetting is the "update and upgrade" times of Linux. Who is going to download 1,2,3, sometimes 4 damn cd's every six months to update or upgrade to the next release, but I covered that before. Also what about the people and there are still alot of them that are on dialup. Joe Blow on dialup updating his Linux install even for the releases that come out inbetween the 6 month major release is going to have a hell of a time. Yes Windows has the same problem to an extent with their releases every first Tues of the month or whatever it is. That doesn't compare to the updates you get with Linux. Hell you download and install and distro and 9 times out of 10 there are 100 to 500 megs of updates for it right away after the install. Take a week for a dialup user to get them all. Better PR for Linux would help that I will agree with. They need to get the word out more, but with the issues that are still with linux, few to some MIGHT take it up. <rant>One last thing about Bill Gates and him being a money hungry, money grubbing selfish bas***. Well sorry but yes he is in it for the money, plain and simple. If thats such a bad thing, well then I think the people that bitch about it should go tell there boss, "Listen I've been thinking about it and I feel bad taking money from you for the work I do. Tell you what, you don't have to pay me anymore, I'll work free." And yes that comment has everything to do with the way Bill runs his business. Everyone yelps about Bill and how much he charges for Windows and other software he develops, but yet take a look at Apples/Mac's site once and start pricing out systems there. Not only that, but the price to replace hardware that HAS to be Apple/Mac specific.</rant> Now plain and simple. Windows has issues but liveable to Joe Blow, but Linux has improving to do before it will go anywhere in major leaps and bounds. Why? Cause Joe Blow home pc guy wants it that way!! He wants it easy!!!

Again I'll get back to laziness. Gaming is a small part. Yes games could be part of the problem, some apps could be another but the big problem is maybe not laziness, but the "why the hell do I want to do that?" XP came out what, 4-5 years ago. One install, (even though you should reinstall once a year to keep a really nice clean running system, which by the way "Joe Blow" home pc operator is not going to do) and thats it. Linux updates and upgrades every 6 months. So what are your options with that will you have two or three. One, backup your /home dir. if even you have that on a seperate parition, which by the way "Joe Blow" home pc operator is not going to have, especially if the computer came with Linux pre-installed. Now to backup your home system. How do you go about that? Well you can't back it up while logged in cause the parition is "busy". (If I'm correct on that). So the next choice would be log in as root and then tarball up your /home and then burn it. So whats the problem with that? Well you supposedly should never log in as root. Two get a live cd throw it in and then tarball up the home parition and then burn it. Tell me how many "Joe Blow" home pc operators are going to do that? Three: Try and I say try to use the "upgrade" option when upgrading to the next release. How many times has this failed? Even if its low, its still not acceptable. You tell me how much "Joe Blow" home pc operator is going to know about fixing, if possible, broken packages for the upgrade option. Also for us who use Linux think its easy to install vid drivers, which seem to be one of the biggest complaints, next to " I have not sound", but for "Joe Blow" home pc user who does play games, even simple 3 D games is not going to nor will he want to go through the hassel, when all he has to do in XP/Windows is double click and reboot. I like and use linux for everything but gaming, cause most of the games I play are not linux compatiable. Don't give me anything about Cedega either, been down that road, not worth the time and work. I want to PLAY, I don't want to "work" to get the game/controller working in order to play. Two I run Roger Wilco or TeamSpeak and I can do both on windows. Game and use voice chat. Linux supposedly you can, but you have to have a high end card, and then even then you have to jump through hoops. "Joe Blow" home pc operator isn't going to do that. For the person who just surfs the net, reads email. Linux is great, as long as they are happy running outdated apps and packages in 6 months. Like I said I like and use Linux but the only advantage I see Linux having over Windows for "Joe Blow" home pc operator has is "choice, free, and viri/malware free". Not much else. So until those problems are fixed, Linux will not ever match Windows and if it does, it will be years down the road.

My honest opinion. Linux will/maybe/might someday be almost as popular as windows. The only thing that is holding it back is human nature and Crashdamage touched on it just a little. Human nature especially in the U.S. (yes I'm American) is lazyness. People are happy with the easiness of windows. Double click and install/go whatever. Part of it maybe not wanting to learn, but I think most of it is because Windows is so damn easy to run, use, install, setup, than linux, in most cases. Java, just double click. Flash, just double click. Sharing between pcs, just double click. No terminal involved. People/humans are lazy. They like to take the easy way out. Even though they have to learn how to run antivirus/adware/spyware software they don't really understand or notice they are doing extra work to run those apps to keep their pc safe. Why? Cause again its just download the app and double click and boom its installed and running and they think they are safe. What gets me is simple things like java and flash. Why can't all distros come with this running. I know that Slackware that comes with java and flash working. Now if Slackware can do it, why can't they all come with such simple and "internet" needed apps running. The big 3 don't. Mandrake/Fedora/Ubuntu (ok Ubunut is only in 4 but thats besides the point . ;P ) have java/flash working for the get go. Just my simple observations of what is going on. I have converted a couple of people to use Linux to some extent. They seem to enjoy it and really didn't find it that hard to 'install" ( mandrake and ubuntu), but they have asked me questions about setting certain things up. These are computer savy people too. Two are network admins. and one is going to school for computers. Now granted I didn't help them out much, but still gave a hand here and there. If people that have degrees in computing are going to be asking questions on how to get this/that working, how to setup their urpmi or apt sources what do you think the average homeowner is going to do with linux. I took it on myself to learn and use linux, but the neighbors who I installed it for don't want to take the time to learn it. Why, cause windows is on the other parition and all they have to do is double click. They don't have to worry about windows coming out with a new version or update. (I'm talking like updates like going from gnome 2.4 to 2.6 to 2.8 or kernel updates). Yet his wife always complains about this spyware and this adware/malware program on her pc. I tell her, boot to Linux and run that, but still she runs windows and keeps fighting with the crap. Why, cause to her even though you have viri and malware with Windows, in her mind windows is easier to run. Now that I just babbled for a couple of paragraphs and really didn't say anything. My point is. Until linux becomes easier to run and biggest point because its evoling fast, easier to 'update/upgrade' it will be awhile before it even gets close to windows.

bvc here is the link for the site where I found tha paper....... http://www.caedes.net/ I could email you the pic if you would like. I looked through alot of them before I found that one.

Went back to Ubuntu and upgraded to Hoary. Gnome 2.9. Nice with the transparent panels. Took a little tweaking, more than usual, to get things setup, but Hoary is still in dev.

Tymestream like I said we did all the steps. I even ssh'ed into his pc and looked at the XF86Config and I could see the fglrx as the driver for the card. Wouldn't start until I changed it back to "radeon". I have one question though about the 24 bit for the vid settings. Should it be 16 bit instead? fglrxconfig only seems to give you a 24 bit option. Of course I have really no idea what else to do. Like I said no warnings when installing the driver. He is running 10.1 also. Maybe if you could post your XFConfig file that might help so I can compare the two.

I talked a buddy into using MDK instead of Ubuntu. He had ATI working just great in Ubuntu and for the life of him and me (been ssh'ed into his pc) we cannot get the drivers to work. We done the steps over and over. Installing doing the step then not having it work then uninstalling with rpm -e and doing it over again. Still nothing. I have no idea what to post because there are no errors during the whole install only a I/O error when trying to startx.

Thanks for the feed back. I think I'm going to give Kino a shot. I just need to get some firewire. :)

Just wondering if anyone has used this app or not and how well it works. I kind of have to decide whether to use this or get software for XP to edit movies from our new Handy Cam. Any feedback or links to feed back is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Thanks fissy. Its in the repos for MDK too.

Just bought a Sony Video Cam and I was wondering what I would use to edit the video for it. Model # is DCR HC/40 I did some search on the net but didn't find alot. Thanks ahead of time.