tsm405 Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Hello Everyone I have a LE2005 on my laptop Acer TravelMate 4052 (Intel Centrino 725 with Intel Pro 2200 wireless support). I am unable to get my wireless LAN connection up and running with a Netgear WGR614 box that is actively connecting other laptops (win/xp) wirelessly. Here are some of the things that I have been doing to fix this (after ensuring that the wireless subsystem is on - Acer has a explicit hardware switch on the laptop for it): a ) Use MCC to add a new wireless connection but it fails after trying to take the parameters for a wireless connection, b ) used the MCC hardware detection unit to check if Intel Pro 2200 is there - it is. Configured it with default parameter values. Still network connection not up c ) used lsmod to check if ipw2200 module is installed - found it missing. So did an ' insmod ipw2200.ko ' after untarring the zipped file present in ' /lib/modules/2.6.***/kernel/3rdparty/ipw2200... ' Insmod suceeded and lsmod now lists the module ipw2200. d ) Did a iwconfig and found that it gave a standard message : ' No wirelss extensions' on eth1. e ) Did a ipconfig -a and found that eth1 is listed but without any ip address. f ) rebooted the system and found that system defaults to initial state (with lsmod showing no ipw2200 module. g ) tried downloading and compiling the latest ipw drivers from sourceforge.net - -make failed due to dependencies *ieee80211 etc... Can you help? What steps do I take to get this wireless connection up? thanks a lot in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw1974 Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 According to here it's certified OK. http://www1.mandrivalinux.com/en/hardware....icher&id=975913 Have you tried the intel website for the wireless drivers? http://support.intel.com/support/notebook/sb/CS-006408.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsm405 Posted September 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Hi Thanks for a quick reply, Yes it is the certified Intel Pro 2200 b/g wireless that the Intel Centrino support.... Also the intel drivers website leads to the ipw2200.sourceforge.net from where I had downloaded the latest ipw2200 drivers for compilation (it failed because it demands that we compile ieee80211 from ieee80211.sf.net which I downloaded and tried compiling - that failed because it is seeking a '/lib/modules/2.6*/kernel/build' directory that does not come as part of LE2005 distribution that I picked up.. Look forward to help from everyone... thanks a lot.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw1974 Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Do you have your kernel-source installed? It could be that it's failing finding it. If I'm suggesting something now you've already done, then please forgive me :P First, type uname -r to give the version of kernel your running, then urpmi the kernel-source based on the current kernel installed. Eg, if running kernel-2.6.11-6mdk then you would do: urpmi kernel-source-2.6.11-6 (or whatever the exact name is). Or alternatively, use System/Configuration/Software/Install Software, choose All option, then find kernel-source that matches exactly if you prefer the GUI method for installing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsm405 Posted September 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Hi Ianw1974 Thanks for these suggestions. No I have not installed the kernel source! Are you suggesting that I go the path of compiling the latest ipw2200 drivers from sourceforge.net and plugging it in the right place so modprobe at boottime will automatically detect it and my wireless connection gets activated? And therefore do you suggest that I install the latest kernel sources ( am using 2.6.11-6mdk-i686-up-4GB) and recompile? Has this been a problem with other Intel Centrino laptops? (and this the prefered approach?) Look forward to your inputs Thanks a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw1974 Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 When you compile stuff such as this ipw2200 or video drivers, it requires the kernel-source to be installed so it can compile and work. Hopefully, once installed, and you compile as you did previously but with the kernel-source installed, all should work a treat! :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsm405 Posted September 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Hi ianw1974, (and others) Here is a long report on what I did - kindly take time to figure out whats going wrong.... Request your patient reading... and helping me out... ============================ After downloading the kernel sources: [root@Achintya ]#urpmi kernel-source-2.6-2.6.11-6mdk.i586.rpm It got successfully installed. ============================ After downloading from ieee80211.sf.net, [root@Achintya ieee80211-1.0.3]#cd ieee80211-1.0.3 [root@Achintya ieee80211-1.0.3]#make install <stdin>:1:28: linux/rhconfig.h: No such file or directory make -C /lib/modules/2.6.11-6mdk-i686-up-4GB/build M=/home/mohan/ipw/ieee80211-1.0.3 MODVERDIR=/home/mohan/ipw/ieee80211-1.0.3 modules make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.11-6mdk' Building modules, stage 2. MODPOST make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.11-6mdk' install -d /lib/modules/2.6.11-6mdk-i686-up-4GB/net/ieee80211/ install -m 644 -c ieee80211.ko ieee80211_crypt.ko ieee80211_crypt_wep.ko ieee80211_crypt_ccmp.ko [root@Achintya ieee80211-1.0.3]#make installieee80211_crypt_tkip.ko /lib/modules/2.6.11-6mdk-i686-up-4GB/net/ieee80211/ install -d `echo /lib/modules/2.6.11-6mdk-i686-up-4GB/include | grep "/net\$" || echo /lib/modules/2.6.11-6mdk-i686-up-4GB/include/net` install -m 644 -c net/ieee80211.h n[root@Achintya ieee80211-1.0.3]#et/ieee80211_crypt.h `echo /lib/modules/2.6.11-6mdk-i686-up-4GB/include | grep "/net\$" || echo /lib/modules/2.6.11-6mdk-i686-up-4GB/include/net` mkdir -p /lib/modules/2.6.11-6mdk-i686-up-4GB/net/ieee80211//.tmp_versions install -m 644 -c ieee80211.mod ieee80211_crypt.mod ieee80211_crypt_wep.mod ieee80211_crypt_ccmp.mod ieee80211_crypt_tkip.mod /lib/modules/2.6.11-6mdk-i686-up-4GB/net/ieee80211//.tmp_versions /sbin/depmod -a This was successful! ================================= From ipw2200.sf.net I downloaded the latest ipw2200 drivers, unzipped and untared. Then: [root@Achintya ]#cd ipw2200-1.0.6 [root@Achintya ipw2200-1.0.6]# make <stdin>:1:28: linux/rhconfig.h: No such file or directory mkdir -p /home/mohan/ipw/ipw2200-1.0.6/tmp/.tmp_versions cp /lib/modules/2.6.11-6mdk-i686-up-4GB/net/ieee80211/.tmp_versions/*.mod /home/mohan/ipw/ipw2200-1.0.6/tmp/.tmp_versions make -C /lib/modules/2.6.11-6mdk-i686-up-4GB/build M=/home/mohan/ipw/ipw2200-1.0.6 MODVERDIR=/home/mohan/ipw/ipw2200-1.0.6/tmp/.tmp_versions modules make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.11-6mdk' CC [M] /home/mohan/ipw/ipw2200-1.0.6/ipw2200.o Building modules, stage 2. MODPOST CC /home/mohan/ipw /ipw2200-1.0.6/ipw2200.mod.o LD [M] /home/mohan/ipw/ipw2200-1.0.6/ipw2200.ko make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.11-6mdk' [root@Achintya ipw2200-1.0.6]# make install <stdin>:1:28: linux/rhconfig.h: No such file or directory mkdir -p /home/mohan/ipw/ipw2200-1.0.6/tmp/.tmp_versions cp /lib/modules/2.6.11-6mdk-i686-up-4GB/net/ieee80211/.tmp_versions/*.mod /home/mohan/ipw/ipw2200-1.0.6/tmp/.tmp_versions make -C /lib/modules/2.6.11-6mdk-i686-up-4GB/build M=/home/mohan/ipw/ipw2200-1.0.6 MODVERDIR=/home/mohan/ipw/ipw2200-1.0.6/tmp/.tmp_versions modules make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.11-6mdk' Building modules, stage 2. MODPOST make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.11-6mdk' install -d /lib/modules/2.6.11-6mdk-i686-up-4GB/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ install -m 644 -c ipw2200.ko /lib/modules/2.6.11-6mdk-i686-up-4GB/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ /sbin/depmod -a Don't forget to copy firmware to your hotplug's firmware directory and have the hotplug tools in place. See INSTALL for more information. =========================================== Then I went thru INSTALL text file in the ipw2200 package downloaded Followed the instructions for hotplug installation Downloaded ipw2200-fw-2.3.tgz, the firmware from http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and put it under /lib/firmware/ipw2200 Downloaded and tried installing: >>urpmi hotplug-2004_03_29-1.noarch.rpm with the results "The package(s) are already installed" In the directory where ipw2200.o was compiled, I did a % ./load which resulted in the following: Unloaded: ieee80211 ieee80211_crypt Loaded: ieee80211_crypt ieee80211_crypt_wep ieee80211_crypt_tkip ieee80211_crypt_ccmp ieee80211 ipw2200 [root@Achintya ipw2200-1.0.6]# modprobe ipw2200 [root@Achintya ipw2200-1.0.6]# lsmod Module Size Used by ipw2200 92360 0 ieee80211 27908 1 ipw2200 ieee80211_crypt_ccmp 6240 0 ieee80211_crypt_tkip 9344 0 ieee80211_crypt_wep 3936 0 ieee80211_crypt 4516 5 ipw2200,ieee80211,ieee80211_crypt_ccmp,ieee80211_crypt_tkip,ieee80211_crypt_wep cpufreq_ondemand 5244 0 cpufreq_powersave 1376 0 speedstep-centrino 6196 1 nfsd 210272 9 exportfs 4672 1 nfsd lockd 59144 2 nfsd sunrpc 122788 12 nfsd,lockd raw 6720 1 i915 17280 1 drm 58164 2 i915 md5 3 648 1 ipv6 232320 14 rfcomm 33692 0 l2cap 20644 5 rfcomm bluetooth 41380 4 rfcomm,l2cap snd-seq-dummy 2596 0 snd-seq-oss 31584 0 snd-seq-midi-event 6208 1 snd-seq-oss snd-seq 47472 5 snd-seq-dummy,snd-seq-oss,snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq-device 6796 3 snd-seq-dummy,snd-seq-oss,snd-seq snd-pcm-oss 49056 0 snd-mixer-oss 17248 1 snd-pcm-oss snd-intel8x0 29184 1 snd-ac97-codec 75256 1 snd-intel8x0 snd-pcm 80712 3 snd-pcm-oss,snd-intel8x0,snd-ac97-codec snd-timer 20324 2 snd-seq,snd-pcm snd-page-alloc 7428 2 snd-intel8x0,snd-pcm snd 46980 11 snd-seq-oss,snd-seq,snd-seq-device,snd-pcm-oss,snd-mixer-oss,snd-intel8x0,snd-ac97-codec,snd-pcm,snd-timer soundcore 7104 1 snd parport_pc 31588 1 lp 9864 0 parport 31624 2 parport_pc,lp ipt_TOS 1888 12 ipt_REJECT 5600 4 ipt_pkttype 1248 4 ipt_LOG 6208 7 ipt_state 1376 17 ipt_multiport 2144 2 ipt_conntrack 1984 0 iptable_mangle 2080 1 ip_nat_irc 1568 0 ip_nat_tftp 1280 0 ip_nat_ftp 2272 0 iptable_nat 19068 3 ip_nat_irc,ip_nat_tftp,ip_nat_ftp ip_conntrack_irc 70384 1 ip_nat_irc ip_conntrack_tftp 3056 1 ip_nat_tftp ip_conntrack_ftp 71344 1 ip_nat_ftp ip_conntrack 37400 9 ipt_state,ipt_conntrack,ip_nat_irc,ip_nat_tftp,ip_nat_ftp,iptable_nat,ip_conntra ck_irc,ip_conntrack_tftp,ip_conntrack_ftp iptable_filter 2144 1 ip_tables 18176 10 ipt_TOS,ipt_REJECT,ipt_pkttype,ipt_LOG,ipt_state,ipt_multiport,ipt_conntrack,ipt able_mangle,iptable_nat,iptable_filter af_packet 16232 2 pcmcia 18632 2 yenta_socket 19720 1 rsrc_nonstatic 9056 1 yenta_socket pcmcia_core 41504 3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic video 13892 0 thermal 10600 0 tc1100-wmi 5188 0 processor 18164 2 speedstep-centrino,thermal fan 3108 0 container 3040 0 button 4880 0 battery 7460 0 ac 3300 0 eth1394 17160 0 firmware_class 7360 1 ipw2200 8139too 21376 0 mii 4224 1 8139too ide-cd 36772 0 ohci1394 30916 0 ieee1394 292088 2 eth1394,ohci1394 loop 13544 0 intel-agp 19996 1 agpgart 28168 3 drm,intel-agp nvram 6984 0 tsdev 6016 0 evdev 7744 1 usbmouse 4608 0 usbhid 43648 0 usblp 10752 0 ehci-hcd 28456 0 uhci-hcd 28816 0 usbcore 105880 6 usbmouse,usbhid,usblp,ehci-hcd,uhci-hcd ext3 123304 2 jbd 48344 1 ext3 ===================================== Then restarted the network services [root@Achintya ipw2200-1.0.6]# service network restart Shutting down interface eth0: [ OK ] Shutting down interface eth1: [ OK ] Shutting down loopback interface: [ OK ] Setting network parameters: [ OK ] Bringing up loopback interface: [ OK ] Bringing up interface eth0: [ OK ] Bringing up interface eth1: [ OK ] ================================================================================ = Then ifconfig gives: [root@Achintya ipw2200-1.0.6]# ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0F:B0:62:DF:0E inet addr:192.168.0.2 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::20f:b0ff:fe62:df0e/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:39040 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:77267 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:3104083 (2.9 Mb) TX bytes:113479906 (108.2 Mb) Interrupt:21 eth1 Link encap:IPv6-in-IPv4 inet6 addr: ::127.0.0.1/96 Scope:Unknown UP RUNNING NOARP MTU:1480 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:17 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:603 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:603 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 bytes:27800 (27.1 Kb) TX bytes:27800 (27.1 Kb) ============== iwconfig gives the following: [root@Achintya ipw2200-1.0.6]# iwconfig lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. eth2 no wireless extensions. eth1 no wireless extensions. ==================== After rebooting the system I did [root@Achintya ]#modprobe ipw2200 FATAL: Error inserting ipw2200 (/lib/modules/2.6.11-6mdk-i686-up-4GB/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko): Invalid argument ================== Going to the above directory I find that ipw2200.ko exists and doing a 'strings ipw2200.ko' yields the version 1.0.6. Doing a 'lsmod' now fails to list 'ipw2200' ====================== Then I did the following after going to the ipw compilation directory : [root@Achintya ipw2200-1.0.6]# ./load Unloaded: ieee80211 ieee80211_crypt Loaded: ieee80211_crypt ieee80211_crypt_wep ieee80211_crypt_tkip ieee80211_crypt_ccmp ieee80211 ipw2200 [root@Achintya ipw2200-1.0.6]# modprobe ipw2200 Modprobe went thru successfully. ================== lsmod then lists it successfully. ========== When I did a 'restart' in this ipw2200 sources directory I get the following: Unloaded: ipw2200 ieee80211 ieee80211_crypt_tkip ieee80211_crypt_ccmp ieee80211_crypt_wep ieee80211_crypt Loaded: ieee80211_crypt ieee80211_crypt_wep ieee80211_crypt_tkip ieee80211_crypt_ccmp ieee80211 ipw2200 lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. eth2 no wireless extensions. eth1 no wireless extensions. ipw2200: probe of 0000:01:02.0 failed with error -5 =========================================== I tried using Mandrake control center to add a new connection (wireless connection) It failed (goes into a infinite loop trying to load after asking for ipw2200 driver installation) I tried reconfiguring the network connection - that also fails. I tried 'wireless connection'option of Network & Internet of MCC - that just starts and exits the 'drakroam' program. ======================== So where have I failed out? What else do I need to do? How can I get my wireless setup working Look forward to all helpful inputs Thanks a lot in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qchem Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 I haven't tried this myself (I don't have the same wireless card), but this guide may help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsm405 Posted September 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 I haven't tried this myself (I don't have the same wireless card), but this guide may help you. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Thanks for this input. I went thru the guide (it was for Mandrake 10.1 wireless) I did create the /etc/firmware as well as /lib/hotplug/firmware and copied the contents of ipw2200-fw-2.3.tar Then I did a Menu->System->Confguration->Configure your computer and tried setting up a new connection (wireless connection). It started by asking for identifying the driver manually, and prompting for parameter values (manual or autoprobe). Both ways, pressing the next button reverts back to the 'identify the driver manually'screen. A kind of infinite loop. Only way out it to cancel the setup. No luck :-( Thanks and look forward to more inputs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsm405 Posted September 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Hi All I just wanted to add a few more points to my earlier posting: 1. From Mandrake Control Center (MCC) I was able to detect the wireless hardware to be functioning.... (hardware detection list) 2. The eth0 ethernet connection thru the 10/100Mbps cable connection works perfectly fine... 3. The wireless hardware is switched on (Acer laptop has an explicit switch) when I did the ipw2200 related work (compilations, installation, modprobe etc) Have anybody successfully used the wireless support in LE2005 on an Intel Centrino laptop (Intel Pro 2200 wireless)? Thanks in advance.. waiting for all Mandriva Gurus to respond. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsm405 Posted September 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Hi Folks, Much before experimenting unsuccessfully to this level, I have been several other pages with similar IPW2200 problems on this forum. However none seem to be helpful...fully. Here are my key questions: 1. Does anyone having a centrino based laptop running SuSE 9.3 been successfully using the wireless connection? 2. Has anyone seen somebody else do it? 3. If there are indeed successful installations - can we request information sharing.................. Mandriva Gurus..... looking forward to your inputs (waiting a bit impatiently) Thanks a lot in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsm405 Posted October 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 (edited) HI Everyone, After experimenting with several Linux distros (Mandriva LE2005, SuSE 9.3, Ubuntu 5.04) I have successfully solved my wireless connectivity problem. Here is the summary of it - so others may benefit: Kindly lookup: http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/index.php?showtopic=19871 for details on how I did it successfully using SuSE 9.3 Pro. The IPW2200 drivers on Acer tms 4052NLCi (Intel Centrino 725) Laptop was successfully installed as follows: REMEMBER: -- Any parameter mismatch will result in the wireless connection not working. -- The sequence of execution of commands is very important (always start with a fresh installation and do a ./remove-old (see below) before compiling and installing ieee80211 or ipw2200 drivers. -- Compile and Install wpa_supplicant correctly -- Use the correct parameter settings to configure the wireless connection. Procedure: 1. Install freshMandriva LE 2005 (and (choose packages to install manually) add up all kernel dev/source / headers files too during the installation) 2. Download from ieee80211.sf.net as well as ipw2200.sf.net (including firmware) Firware is available at : http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php. Kindly unzip and copy to /lib/firmware directory as root. 3. Unzip and untar the sources. Go thru the README / INSTALL files - but do not get confused. 4. Go thru readme (including the guide by Luca_Linux on Ubuntuforums.org on how to setup wireless on laptop: URL: www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26623) 5. Do a ./remove-old from ieee80211 dir as well as ipw2200 directories with no errors. (Manually check out all the paths that these makes throw up).6. Then do a rmmod ipw2200 for all the drivers to be removed from kernel. 7. A lsmod | grep ipw will show if kernel has go it still (there should be none). 8. Go to ieee80211 directory and first do a make and then make install. No errors should show up. 9. Do the make and then make install from within ipw2200 directory. Again no errors should be there. 10. Do a modprobe ipw2200 - this should take in the new drivers into the kernel. 11. Configure the network cards - both cards: Set up the wireless parameters correctly: Managed mode, Known ESSiD, correct WPA_PSK shared key, and correct passphrase. as well as static/DHCP IP address settings and correctly local GW ip address as well as nameserver ip addresses. Set the advanced->settings to cable connection for eth0 (lan card) and manual with user control for the eth1 (wireless) card. 12. Reboot the system and then do a dmesg| grep ipw This should yield the version of the driver in the kernel. 13. Use Kinternet tool to try connecting up - signal detection shows but will not connect. - Click and select the available network and then try to 'connect' it. 14. Add the wpa_supplicant code (Download from the internet wpa_supplicant.0.4.5.tgz -- (URL: http://hostap.epitest.fi/releases/) See for the latest version of wpa_supplicant sources there. Compile it after configuring the wpa_supplicant.conf file correctly (In my case except the IPW drivers almost everything else was commented out - EAP etc etc) 15. Compile and follow the instructions in it. 16. Put in the /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf as well as the /etc/init.d/wifi_qpa.sh (see the ubuntu URL above) 17 Reboot system and check out: iwlist eth1 scan; iwconfig; ifconfig.... 18. As root, Do a ifdown eth0 (wireline), a ifdown eth1 and then a ifup eth1. You cannot keep both the network interfaces up simultaneously. Everytime you boot up and want to connect wirelessly, do a su on a console terminal and do the above - ifdown on all network interfaces and ifup on the wireless interface. Perhaps in the next edition of Mandriva (or SuSE or Ubuntu) this should get fixed. ------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT: a) Use WPA_PSK as the authentication mode in both the wireless router as well as in YaST configuration... -------------------------------------------------------- So why did I have my earlier problems? Here are the reasons: 1) I did not get the right kernel header files for ipw2200 compilation (My downloaded kernel source version had a minor mismatch with what was installed - so I reinstalled manually (not the standard option) specifically marking out all packages to be installed (including kernel headers). 2) I did not follow the right sequence in terms of driver compilation. (First do a ./remove-old and then do a make followed by make install.) 3) Ensure that any error messages are looked into. 4) Ensure that once a cleanly installed system gets messed up by these wrong leads it only complicates matters further (there are several side-effects of any failed driver installation procedures... as not so deep hackers, we do not know what system files are left in what state...) 5) The System GUI many times royally screws up the configuration process (YaST would not show some of the parameter screens and Mandrake Control centre got totally messed up - it used to go into an infinite questionaire loop). 6) I read through several URLs and Pages of apparent help - the Ubuntu forum was very helpful (45 pages of discussion on this one topic) Thanks Luca_linux @ ubuntuforums.org. Thanks Ianw1974 for all your inputs. Thanks to Qchem too.. Edited October 5, 2005 by tsm405 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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