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That means that Mandriva's SATA problems is not Mainboard or SATA II hard drive manfacturers specific. I am sad you are not sticking around Mandriva but I can understand. Cheers. john.

Thanks for that. I didn't know of that technique. I tried and it works as you said. Another handy hint for my Notebook. (a real one, not a digital one :D ) Cheers. John.

Hello Aphelion. What do you mean by lasso effect ???. I just did a retry by putting 6 pics on the desktop and found that if I selected all the Pics the right clicked on one of them that only the one I right clicked on was deleted,.......HOWEVER if instead of clicking on the Last one to complete the selection, I right clicked on it and selected Delete then it deleted all of them and not just the last one. It seems the first routine works in Konqueror. But on the desktop you need the second routine. SilverSurfers idea is by far the best one so you can use Konqueror and its edit menu. It is so obvious that I had even forgotten it. :D Cheers. John.

I was going to answer the last question of the last post but decided I didn't want the possibility of seeming to be rude. :D Cheers. John. On the other hand, run the rpm. JB.

As far as I know you will have to do it one at a time.The usual trick of holding down Ctrl and selecting all the items to be deleted by clicking on them and finally right clicking on one of them to get the menu to select delete WILL NOT WORK. It will only delete the one you right clicked on. So yes you have to do each one in turn. A real pain in the **** (bottom, rear, buttocks, posterior, derrière, aft end, etc.). :D Cheers. John.

My apologies yet again. Hello Roken. Our experienced problems are not the same. I am starting to think our two problems have a common root and are perhaps symptomatic of a deeper problem of Mandriva2008-Spring not being capable of handling SATA issues properly. The fact that other users say they don't have problems related to SATA doesn't mean a thing if two types of problems such as we have are readily reproduced install after install and as I try to keep reminding everyone, these problems did not occur in 2008 or earlier versions. What truly surprises me is that our good friend Adamw has totally avoided these posts of yours and mine on SATA issues although visiting MUB many times in that period. Maybe it is just too hot a potato. I have a vast respect for Adam so I am a little surprised to say the least. Maybe Mandriva has told him to leave this issue alone. This is only speculation on my part of course. By the way what Mainboard and what hard drives are you using. I am using a Gigabyte MA790X-D84 board and two Western Digital SATA II, 16mgb cache 160Gbs Hard drives. Cheers for now. John

Aha I see what you are meaning now. You are trying to avoid the problem that I encountered. Obviously when doing the install routine you can select the hard drive to install -, in this case you want it to be sdb which is your second SATA hard drive. I would suggest that this time round that you just go ahead and install to the sdb and see what happens. If you encounter the problem I had then seriously consider installing the /root Partition and /Home partition on sda in some free space and still create Music, Graphics _Picture ,etc) and Videos Mandriva partitions on sdb. When you come to the Grub boot setting part just select install to the mbr even though it is on the sda drive and let grub do its thing. I can assure you that trying to paste in the grub menu.lst from 2008-Spring into a grub bootloader installed by an earlier version of Mandriva WILL NOT WORK even though you would think it should. But don't worry because the Mandriva-Spring grub will detect your other Mandriva if you have one and will also detect your Windows OS and list it as well. If you do not already have any Mandriva partitions on sda in the first place then it is unlikely you will have any problems installing onto sdb, such as I experienced, at all. Please let us know how you go. Cheers. John.

I agree with you Scarecrow that SATAs are NOT a softspot with Linux, only with Mandriva and ONLY on 2008-Spring. Hello Roken. If you look at your bios carefully you should see that you can select DVD/CD as first to boot up. There should not be any necessity to disable SATA to be able to do an install. I certainly have never ever had to. Cheers. John.

I suspect the latter suggestion. Saving the iso of the DVD is 4.3Gbs on its own or over 700Mbs for CD. Cheers. John.

Hi Scarecrow. What you suggest is certainly doable for more experienced users such as you and I but Newcomers would not find it at all easy. They also should not have to think about such a problem for something so basic that worked in Mandriva2008-Free and earlier. Cheers. John.

I didn't suggest you do anything, all I am saying is think about it as a possible contributing factor. The fact that many of you come here to help despite not using Mandriva is certainly extremely admirable, but i think it is a bit naive to imagine that newcomers will appreciate that point. A lot of newcomers would believe that if a lot of the experienced members of MUB are not themselves using Mandriva then it can't really be any good so they drop it and go Ubuntu or wharever. I appreciate the point of offered help posts by non Mandriva users, but then I have been coming here for quite some time as you well know. Despite my Mandriva problems from time to time, I still stay true and only come to MUB for help. MUB is still the best help forum there is, as it is, full stop. Cheers. John.

Could one of the reasons for falling numbers be due to the fact that so many admins. and mods. openly advertise here that they don't even use Mandriva ???. Yes I wonder. :unsure: :huh: Cheers. John.

Aha. Another SATA related problem with two SATA Hard Drives and 2008-Spring on the 2nd SATA HDD, sdb. What is the bettng that this will be ignored by Mandriva as is my problem experience with Mandriva 2008-Spring installed on sdb. I developed a work around my self, no thanks to Mandriva, but nothing from Mandriva to even acknowledge the problem at all. Try using what I found and install 2008-Spring on the 1st. SATA drive, sda, even if it means a little bit of rearranging compared to with what you have. Keep your Windows on sda though. I wish you luck. Stick with Mandriva the OS if you can and experiment a little and you will likely develop a work-around too for your problem. When you get it up and running you will find it worth while. Cheers. John.

Thanks again Jim. I found that PulseAudio was installed. Following your mention of task-pulseaudio I found that it wasn't and on selecting it to install, it selected a huge raft of packages as well. Installed all of them and then found the PulseAudio Volume Control in the Menu just as you suggested. It's all rather pointless at the moment since I now have only one audio source but at least I will know for the future when I install the Video Capture card back in to my Mandriva box. I really cannot see the sense in allowing pulse-audio to be installed on its own when it is useless without the packages that task-pulseaudio calls for. And all of this without really telling anyone anything much about it in the first instance. But then what would I know, I am only a dumb user. :huh: Cheers. John.

Thanks Jim but where exactly is this Pulse Audio control. I can't see it anywhere in the Menu or in MCC Hardware Audio apart from enable PulseAudio. This is one of the really stupid examples of introducing new programs but no info immediately upfront to indicate how to get to it if it is not in the Menu or MCC. Cheers. John

You help make my point stated in another thread that having to do cli edits in files to select the sound source of your choice as default is simply not good enough in this day and age. You should be able to go into MCC ..... Hardware (or somewhere) and make your choice there, do a click and it be done. It is even worse when you have a Video capture card as a sound source as well, plus a plug-in sound card, you then have three sources (mainboard included). Cheers. John.

Welcome to MUB, Pendergast. Have you made the appropriate changes in the bios regarding SATA. The default settings in the bios do not include SATA activation not even on the very latest Mainboards. ( I just installed a new board a week ago.) If you have an older board then that certainly will be the case. Cheers. John..

It seems that this issue has just died. Since it IS a Mandriva problem, naturally I don't expect solutions from members here at MUB. I am just surprised that others haven't encountered the problem. Maybe it is because I used EXACTLY the same partition settings on two identical Hard drives (through RAID-1 mirroring originally). If that is the reason and it confuses Mandriva then they should do something to make certain that 2008.1 follows fstab and not some other directive of its own. After all 2007, 2007.1 and 2008 had no problem with my same layout in which the newer version always went on to sdb first and when stable enough went on to sda then the newer again on to sdb. I am still hoping for some comment from AdamW about this matter especially since it happened to basically two different computers but using the same HDDS (I installed a NEW Mainboard , AMD 6200 DualCore 64 CPU and a new GeForce 9600 GT Video card. Just the same box and Power supply with no audio card this time and the capture card removed and fitted into another box instead). NOTE. With no plug in Audio card and no Capture card I got Audio from the start, no having to do blacklisting and editing modprobe.conf etc. This is definitely something Mandriva must fix soon. As I said once before , one should be able to simply click a button that selects the chosen sound source as default when there are multiple sound sources and that should be it. In two weeks time I will be installing two Western Digital 320Gb SATA II HDDs and will be setting them up exactly the same way as I have at present but with the Music and Pictures and zstore partitions taking up the additional space proportionally. Just to prove my point I will be installing 2008-Free on the first drive sda and 2008-Spring on drive sdb. I am positive it will do the same thing again. Cheers. John.

Further to the note about needing to insert.....Option "NoPowerConnectorCheck" be added to the video part of /etc/X11/zorg.conf. It is no longer needed. The twin 4 pin molex connector leads that terminate in a 6 pin plug which (the 6pin plug) plugs into the end of the Video card has 3 wires (yellow, black and red) into each molex. The red wire was not connected to its usual no.4 pin but to no.3 instead. After 4 days of no response from Gigabyte to clarify the situation I moved the red wires to the no.4 positions. This seemed to work ok except it required the solution I put into effect. I still had doubts so I chased up a couple of computer technicians and they told me the card doesn't use 5 volts and only 12 volt and BOTH leads have to be connected to the power supply cables. Although the leads are red they are actually the same as the black leads, namely common or return. I returned the pins to their original positions and reinstalled them, rebooted and all still worked so then deleted the added option in xorg.conf and rebooted. Worked like a charm. Have since done a clean reinstall of both 2008-Free and also 2008-Spring and installed the nvidia proprietary driver on both OSs. Both are running perfectly Still haven't heard from Gigabyte. Same old same old. Cheers. John.

Well I did reinstall 2008-Free on to sdb and carefully checked it out that everything was OK and it was. Then I did a clean reinstall of 2008-Spring on to sda. No prizes for guessing what happened. It installed exactly the way it was supposed to and is performing correctly with only the sda partitions mounted. This means that 2008-Spring has huge problems if it is not mounted on the 1st. SATA HD in the case of multiple SATA HDs. This is definitely a bug that Mandriva needs to fix. While I have resolved my situation, someone new to Mandriva and faced with the same problem will just damn Mandriva and give it away. Sorry Adam but I can't be bothered to recreate the situation again for getting more info for Mandriva since I have spent far too many days and days and headachey hours trying to find a solution or explanation. I think all the info in my posts proves conclusively that the problem exists. If Mandriva, through your good services, cannot be bothered acknowledging the problem exists and fix it then more fools they and my respect for them takes a huge dive. Could you please let me know their response. Cheers. John. PS I have also noticed that the ......Show Windows from all Desktops.. in Configure Panel......Taskbar.. is present. In my earlier setup with the main problem, it was missing. I noticed a thread to this subject in MUB where a poster was wanting to disable this feature (same as I always do) but couldn't and others confirmed that it wasn't there also. However since I have all updates installed then it might have been fixed because it is there again. The latest updates are not necessarily the ones I had earlier. JB

Thank you Ian. I am glad that someone now sees what I have been trying to get across namely that it is not me doing something screwy but 2008-Spring instead. I am actually going to do the desperate thing of installing 2008-Free onto sdb and then 2008-Spring onto sda and see what happens. Could be one of two results 1, that 2008-Spring will do the same thing. Or 2. (as I suspect will happen) it will at last be OK. It will be interesting. Cheers. John.

Here we go again. As you requested. Fstab for 2008-Free:- /dev/sda1 / ext3 relatime 1 1 /dev/sda7 /allmusic ext3 relatime 1 2 /dev/sda8 /allpictures ext3 relatime 1 2 /dev/sda6 /home ext3 relatime 1 2 /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom auto umask=0022,users,iocharset=utf8,noauto,ro,exec 0 0 /dev/cdrom2 /media/cdrom2 auto umask=0022,users,iocharset=utf8,noauto,ro,exec 0 0 /dev/sdb1 /otheroot ext3 defaults 1 2 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/sda9 /zstore ext3 relatime 1 2 /dev/sda5 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/sdb5 swap swap defaults 0 0 Fstab for 2008.1-Spring:- # Entry for /dev/sdb1 : UUID=9a5bdf59-0d1d-4886-b110-fae72d242497 / ext3 relatime 1 1 # Entry for /dev/sdb7 : UUID=2d360362-3191-4d8b-b3e9-92109d407411 /allmymusic ext3 defaults 1 2 # Entry for /dev/sdb8 : UUID=14dbb10c-2daa-491a-815e-1608b3505fa7 /allmypictures ext3 defaults 1 2 # Entry for /dev/sdb6 : UUID=5779c256-c3c0-4ce0-ad0a-260285864668 /home ext3 relatime 1 2 /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom auto umask=0,users,iocharset=utf8,noauto,ro,exec 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0 # Entry for /dev/sdb9 : UUID=529c9310-8c8a-47c9-a110-c2a3e88d8a88 /zmystore ext3 defaults 1 2 # Entry for /dev/sda5 : UUID=f99ed20d-f8c5-4e4f-8ab6-f19192b8b263 swap swap defaults 0 0 # Entry for /dev/sdb5 : UUID=ba6aa2de-9bd1-4351-92c0-e79d7ba8e790 swap swap defaults 0 0 Grub /menu.lst for 2008-Free :- timeout 10 color black/cyan yellow/cyan gfxmenu (hd0,0)/boot/gfxmenu default 0 title Mandriva-2008 kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22.18-desktop-1mdv BOOT_IMAGE=Mandriva-2008 root=/dev/sda1 splash=silent vga=791 initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd-2.6.22.18-desktop-1mdv.img title failsafe kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz BOOT_IMAGE=failsafe root=/dev/sda1 failsafe noapic nolapic splash=silent acpi=ht initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd.img Grub /menu.lst for 2008-Spring :- timeout 10 color black/cyan yellow/cyan gfxmenu (hd1,0)/boot/gfxmenu default 0 title Mandriva2008-Spring kernel (hd1,0)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24.4-desktop-1mnb BOOT_IMAGE=Mandriva2008-Spring root=UUID=9a5bdf59-0d1d-4886-b110-fae72d242497 splash=silent vga=788 initrd (hd1,0)/boot/initrd-2.6.24.4-desktop-1mnb.img title failsafe kernel (hd1,0)/boot/vmlinuz BOOT_IMAGE=failsafe root=UUID=9a5bdf59-0d1d-4886-b110-fae72d242497 failsafe initrd (hd1,0)/boot/initrd.img title Mandriva Linux release 2008.0 (Official) root (hd0,0) configfile /boot/grub/menu.lst Answer to your question. No I am not sharing the same /grub/menu.lst as you can see. Cheers. John.

Hello Neddie I don't think it could be looking at the wrong fstab. If it was then all the sda partitions would be showing up in 2008-Spring including root and home instead of sdb. In this case 2008-Spring is showing up the correct root and home partitions of sdb but not the rest of them. The /etc is mounted in root of 2008-Spring. I NEVER set /etc as a real separate partition as do some people I have included the /Grub/menu.lst as requested even thoughI know it won't help anything. Cheers. John.

Hello Ian. You already have the fstab for 2008-Spring in the snapshots. As you can see it shows sdb1, sdb6, sdb7, sdb8 and sdb9 plus swap of both sda5 and sdb5. The fstab lists sda1, sda6, sda7, sda8 and sda9 plus swap of both sda5 and sdb5. See Screenshot 2. Therefore both of the fstabs are correct for their own respective OS just as one should expect. There is no problem booting into either of 2008 or 2008.1 so there is no issue there. I have deliberately changed folder arrangements in 2008-Free.. /home (sda6), /allmusic (sda7), /allpictures (sda8) and /zstore (sda9) to easily identify those partitions. When I boot into 2008-Spring I find that /home (sdb6) is selected correctly but instead of sdb7 being mounted, sda7 instead is mounted but bearing the title /allmymusic (which was given during install to sdb7) instead of sdb7. The same applies to sdb8 and sdb9, namely their titles are given to sda8 and sda9 and mounted instead of the required sdb8 and sdb9. I know this because I can see the changes I made to data in the sda7, sda8 and sda9 when I boot into 2008-Spring. In other words 2008-Spring is ignoring the info in its own fstab. That is why MCC Partition Management attempts to change it fail. The setting change attempts are ignored. Now I hope you and others can see why this is so weird. Keep in mind that in installing 2008-Spring, I do NOTHING differently regarding setup than what I do in 2008-Free. When I had 2007.1 on sda and 2008-Free on sdb I never had any of this kind of problem at all using exactly the same setup back then. As you requested I have attached the fdisk , but as you can see it tells you nothing appears to be out of order. I haven't included the grub menu.lst because nothing is out of the ordinary there, as I said booting into either OS has never been a problem. Cheers for now. John.

Thanks Iphitus. Tried all that ages ago but trying to change it in MCC doesn't work because as you click Done you normally get the popup to save the change in fstab but it doesn't popup because as you can see in fstab it is already correct in fstab. Immediately you reboot and look at MCC you see the same incorrect setup as shown. Now considering I have been using my setup for over two years and 5 versions of Mandriva, including 2008-Free, without any trouble ever, it beggars the imagination that since it only happens with 2008-Spring that it is implied that maybe this is an easy fix and to just get on with it. I always title the Partitions as I have shown when I do an install and not later via MCC. This IS a system problem and I hope Adam has some suggestions for me. And it repeats with EVERY clean reinstall. What I do in the install process is exactly the same for both 2008-Free and 2008-Spring. 2008 -Free gets it right and 2008-Spring doesn't, full stop. John.