aRTee Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 I just timed: opening opera from konsole or panelbutton: less than 4 secs (had already been open), including loading 8 pages from cache. (see sysspecs below, athlon xp 2400+ with better clocks for faster mem access, but actually a slightly underclocked pci bus; I get hdparm of ~40MB) I don't bellieve your diskspeed is the culprit here, and I do think your system should do better than 5 secs to launch opera.... Starting konsole takes less than 2 secs (more like one), konqueror takes 3 secs the first time, less than 2 after that. Any messages when you start anything from konsole/xterm? BTW: I have no idea if this is 'normal'? (no, none of my friends are using linux, can't ask..) Hmm, get some new friends ;) (not instead, just extra... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris:b Posted May 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 When I start a program from the console I don't get any error. 2. start opera: ~ 4 sec (ha!) I just found a very sweet file named .xsession-error. Its telling me that a certain Mt.Man is born and is looking around to get familiar: ------------------------------------- startkde: Starting up... kbuildsycoca running... mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KActionCollection::KActionCollection( QObject *parent, const char *name, KInstance *instance ) WARNING: Mt.Man: Born, looking around to get familiar. WARNING: Mt.Man: filesystem [none] found by DF is unlisted in /etc/fstab. kio (KDirWatch): WARNING: KDirWatch::removeDir can't handle '' kio (KDirWatch): WARNING: KDirWatch::removeDir can't handle '' KAction::property( "accel" ) failed: property invalid or does not exist WARNING: Mt.Man: Born, looking around to get familiar. WARNING: Mt.Man: filesystem [none] found by DF is unlisted in /etc/fstab. kio (KDirWatch): WARNING: KDirWatch::removeDir can't handle '' kio (KDirWatch): WARNING: KDirWatch::removeDir can't handle '' -------------------------------------------- Any idea if that might be a source for more enlightenment? -anna, whose friends are thinking that she is crazy learning linux, starring at her as if she's a alien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aRTee Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 Ok, seems that may be some indication,.... could you post your /etc/fstab here? Wondering what you have in there.... ;) BTW I don't have this file .xsession-error so that tells me something... you do have some slight problem on your system/setup... Since I have no real clue, I do hope some other guys will tune in too.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris:b Posted May 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 yo aRtee, here it comes: __________________________ dev/hda8 / ext2 defaults 1 1 none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 none /mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/hdb,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 none /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/win_c ntfs iocharset=iso8859-15,ro,umask=0 0 0 /dev/hda5 /mnt/win_d vfat iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 /dev/hda6 /mnt/win_e vfat iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 /dev/hda3 /mnt/win_h vfat iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd /mnt/cdrecorder auto ro,noauto,user,exec 0 0 _________________________________ hm, no man looking around in there. btw i did'nt edit the fstab manually, but i know the last line came in there when i setup k3b some days ago. -anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvc Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 I remember someone saying to watch your fstab when setting up k3b....that's all I know on that. The errors in your .xsession-errors are pretty normal....at least I've always gotten them.....It's kde's nature :roll: . Gnome faster than kde? Use to be...and as far as gtk apps on there own with another wm (fluxbox, icewm) yes, very much so, but I don't think gnome2-2 is any faster (nautilus is a lot faster than it use to be)....maybe even slower. A gnome devel on another board admitted gnome2-2's slowness and said it'll be resolved for 2-4. Or you could get 2-3 but you'd be better to wait for 2-4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris:b Posted May 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 thanks, bvc :) if this is kde nature I'll let nature go her/its way ... And yes, the changes after k3d setup didn't affect the startup time. I don't find the launch times really annoying, i'll stay using kde. Thinking about examening the next weeks my system, got the impression there is something in the background with the soundcard/alsa, maybe with the fonts, don't know yet. Anyway, this is a way to get to know all these fine files as /var/log/messages ... Thanks everybody for helping !!! You are wonderful, and this board has a marvellous 'sfer' (Dutch for atmosphere). --anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aRTee Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 I haven't gotten any of those .xsession-error files... unless they are not in /home/[user]/ nor in /var/log/ (didn't look anywhere else). Anna, just some quick comments (quite unrelated) to your fstab: You seem to have no /home which may be problematic if you want to do a clean reinstall (mdk 9.2 or beta's and release candidate testing) and your cdrom (dvd?) seems to be slave to your hd; normally it is recommended to put your dvd/cdrom as a slave to your cdburner (it would be /dev/hdd instead of /dev/hdb ). Also, if you want to copy directly from your dvd/cdrom to your burner, you may have to turn on scsi emulation for it too... So if you feel like it, some small things to improve.... ;) (Not sure if you really want to go through the efforts though, minor gains only, but you said you'd examine your system in the next weeks... ) Ps 'sfer' doesn't show up in my Dutch dictionary, 'sfeer' does.. and yes this board has lots of it (note to self: got to mention / link it more on my site) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris:b Posted May 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 aRtee, :o you are of course right, 'sfer' was a typo, it's sfeer, hehe. getting confused with the two os, three languages ... And merci for the tip /home (i know, i know, puh), and the master/slave config thing, that did the manufacturer. I opened the pc one time, to install a very complicated package to make from a noisy pc a silent silent one, no i'am not in the mood to re-open this thing ... on-the-fly copies: i'am a bit 'conservative', like to first write an image (or whatever it is), and then to burn this nasty little file is called '.xsession-errors' (was a typo too) and residates in my /home/anna if you don't have it, you miss something, for sure. --anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Scrimpshire Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 I believe if you don't have any X session errors during the time that a user is logged in, then the file ~/.xsessionerrors will not exist. I could be mistaken, though. Thanks for your response to me, anna, but I do not wish to 'hijack' your thread. hdparm -X69 /dev/hda actually made my disk much slower. I think my controller is not fast enough to accept it. I also probably think that udma3 is the maximum my controller can handle. It is over 2 years old...almost 3. I will soon purchase a PCI ATA card to get the full capabilities of my HD. I was also going to say that, even when I used KDE, I didn't have very slow loading times (not as slow as you experienced}. I had some slow times, but not as slow as you, so I don't think it is a HD issue. I think those x errors may be the culprit, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aRTee Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 Good idea to make copies via the harddisk, this is how I do it too. I just setup scsi emulation for my dvd-rom to have the possibility (hey if it can be done in windows, why not in linux?) and as a nice side effect I found that (unlike before, don't know why) I can now eject my dvds with eject /dev/scd1 (ejecting the cd-rw drawer already worked, of course that one is also working via scsi emulation). Steve, think you are right. Meaning: I just don't have any errors. Good for me ;) Anna, about the master/slave thing: the manufacturer probably wanted to save some money (2 dollars) on the cable (in case you got it with one hd and one cd/dvdrom, this way he only needed to use one cable). I'm sure this is easy to live with. In time, you're going to want to do something about the /home though.... ;) (whatabout just emptying (or reducing in size) your win-d e or f drives and changing that partition type to /ext3, then setting it up for /home, then copy/move all files from your current /home dir to it; most of this you can do with the diskdrake, except for the copying/moving) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris:b Posted May 6, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 Thanks aRTee and Steve for your responses. I see a huge amount of learning the next time. I'd like to suggest to end the thread here cause its getting a bit off-topic. When I've found out what causes my problem I will post it here in another thread. --anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris:b Posted May 7, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 Hi, just wanted to let you know that I finally have a fast running kde :D After trying reconfig network, sound and some more - I gave up. Installed RedHat 9 - fast, wow. Deleted RH 9 and the old MDK 9.1 - and did a clean reinstall of Mandrake. This time let M. choose: the filesystem, the bootloader, the packages, the services, the partitions ... Now KDE starts fast, kde apps ~ 1-2 sec. Thanks a lot for the helping hands here on the board ... --anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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