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It actually did that by default. Copied the config from the 2.6.8.1-10mdk I urpmi'd, which had no problems. I just customized it to my hardware--without messing with the SCSI settings, I might add. But, as you say, I shall try that with the minimum of tinkering. If at first you don't succeed...try again. And again. AND AGAIN. AND A FREAKING GAIN. :)

...Still not working.... Anybody have any idea where to go from here? I built the 2.6.9 kernel in FC2 without trouble, and would like to do the same in MDK 10.1... And everything goes just fine till those SCSI drivers in the make process. Ideas? Suggestions? HELP?!

Here goes. :inhales: I reinstalled my copy of mdk10.1 community. Even with the cam unplugged the entire time, no sound. So I installed the kernel sources (2.6.8.1-10mdk) and compiled, after getting some dependency issues sorted out, without ALSA support. Still no sound. Urpmi'd to 2.6.8.1-12mdk. Still no sound. Now, I'm trying to compile an unpatched 2.6.9, no ALSA support, but I get this error during the make process: CC [M] drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.o drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.c: In function `qla2x00_queuecommand': drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.c:315: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to 'qla2x00_callback': function not considered for inlining drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.c:269: sorry, unimplemented: called from here drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.c:315: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to 'qla2x00_callback': function not considered for inlining drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.c:269: sorry, unimplemented: called from here make[3]: *** [drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.o] Error 1 make[2]: *** [drivers/scsi/qla2xxx] Error 2 make[1]: *** [drivers/scsi] Error 2 make: *** [drivers] Error 2 [root@localhost linux-2.6.9]# So I went back into xconfig and disabled some unnecessary and experimental SCSI drivers, and got the same error. What should I do?

Yeah, I'm gonna reinstall Mandrake and give it another go. I've been impressed by FC; it's a very tight package, and it looks good, but I feel like I know Mandrake a little better--EVEN IF I have trouble getting almost anything to compile. We'll see how the duplexing issue goes.

Sound's fixed!! I reinstalled mandrake after I screwed up the x server trying to get DRI support, but no luck, no sound--and I couldn't get a new kernel to compile. Kept getting ridiculous errors that didn't make sense about packages that I knew were installed but I went back and updated anyway and still no go. SO I reinstalled Fedora Core, only this time, I unplugged my WEBCAM, which also acts as a microphone!! The kernel was getting confused about drivers, I suppose. However, I get NO duplexing--it automatically uses the ALSA sound drivers, which sound pretty crappy. When I /sbin/modprobe -r snd_via82xx, I get told the module can't be removed because it's in use, even though I mute it via the gnome GUI. Any ideas? Thanks again for all the help!

I'm happy to report my FIRST SUCCESSFUL kernel build! Woohoo! I went with the vanilla 2.6.9 kernel, unpatched. Unfortunately, though, even with OSS sound support enabled and no ALSA, I'm afraid I still get no sound out of fedora core. I want to reinstall MDK 10.1 and do the kernel thing again and see what happens; MDK was better with the sound than FC has been--I got skips in there, as opposed to the no sound whatsoever I get in FC. Chances are, the vanilla won't work any better in MDK, but we'll see... Thanks again for all your help, arthur!

Thanks. I understand that it's experimental, but I'm not worried about screwing up the system. I'm here to learn, and sometimes that's what it takes, right? My youngest brother often asks my oldest brother how to learn what he's learned about computers. His answer is always: crash it. Then fix it. But I am trying the vanilla kernel first. I'll let you know how it turns out. :)

Oh, very quick question-- Do you get the vanilla kernel and then patch it directly using the nitro patch, or is there a pre-patched version of 2.6.9 out there? I'm gonna try my hand at that one... I ask because at the nitro patch's website, there're 2.6.9 RC patches, all the way up to four, but at kernel.org, there's only one 2.6.9, which, I presume, is the final release. I went ahead and downloaded both the kernel and the patch, so should I just unzip and patch 'em or is there someplace else I should go? Thanks once again for all the help!

Exciting! I don't know when I'll get a chance to try it, but try it I will. That's one of the big things that's been keeping me from using Linux every day; I listen to music almost whenever I'm on the computer. Besides, the sound skipping thing is very very annoying. But next, I plan on tackling webcam support... :lol:

I'll try urpmi-ing 2.4.27 as soon as I can. However, since it's come up, I want to ask you something I've wondered about for awhile and haven't found the answer to in all my kernel readings... Will the Mandrake distribution still work correctly if I compile and install a non-mandrake kernel? I suppose this is a stupid question, considering that's one of the POINTS of linux--the whole whatever-kerenl-you-please idea--but I'm still curious if installing other kernels affects performance (besides improving it because it's a smaller kernel). And reliability? Is that affected beyond the reliability of the kernel itself? But anyway. I've tried to compile my own kernel twice now, and it's not worked either time, but I'm NOT going to give up. Where can I get those mm patches you spoke of? And do you apply the patches to the source directly just like you apply other patches to the source from kernel.org? I ask because I'm all about learning. I know it's the future, Linux is, and I don't mind diving in head-first with a few good walkthroughs. I haven't stored anything important on my Linux partition, so it'll be formatted and screwed up as many times as it takes, and I'm ready to get my hands dirty with the inner workings and tinkering. I tried installing Fedora Core 2--which Mandrake could take a lesson or two from, when it comes to interface design and ease of package installation--and updating it, but no cigar, unfortunately. Thanks for helping me out, arthur. You've been very supportive. :)

Okay. I disabled the KDE sound server and it's made a little difference. Not much though. Now, when I press play in XMMS, I get skipping sounds just as with everything else, instead of it crashing. KDE noise behaves as it did before--severe skipping, so bad that I have to mute it--and certain, very short game sounds (i.e. the ball-knocking in Kolf) skip along somewhat intelligibly. I also urpmi'd kernels. The latest I could find in the cooker was 2.6.8.1.12mdk-1-1mdk. No difference. It skips a little slower. If you remember from my previous posts, sound works nicely in Knoppix--though the quality is kinda bad. My edition of Knoppix uses the 2.4 kernel, so I figured I'd urpmi one of those--and still, no difference. The system's somewhat slower and less stable, but no difference othewise. Where to go from here? Should I move on to another distro? (I'm already contemplating new hardware, but as a college kid, I'm poor.) Thanks once again for all the help

I haven't done that yet. I'll try that before I mess with all this kernel mayhem. Either way, I'll report back and let you know if it's fixed! Thanks for all the help :)

That's cool! I didn't know you could do that. But alas, I couldn't find a later kernel for 10.1. Every time I tried to access the mandrake-devel folders, I was denied access. I think it's running 2.6.8, but the latest 2.6 is under the Mdk 10 directory, and it's 2.6.3. Are there any other sources I could go to for that?

There were instructions for installing the drivers on alsa-project.org, but the VIA section seems to be down, or I'd send you a link. But they're modular sound drivers, they're not part of the kernel...at least I don't think. I'm still a noob, as you can probably tell. Should I go Debian? Or Gentoo? I don't know if I'm advanced enough for either of those... You're right, though, I should try a newer kernel. I tried before and had problems with make modules_install. I couldn't get it to work. But I will try again. And I'm pretty sure Knoppix uses the OSS drivers, but the edition I have is the older 2.4 kernel. Is it wise to downgrade? I went ahead and did lsmod in Knoppix... Module Size Used by Not tainted autofs4 8756 1 (autoclean) af_packet 13544 0 (autoclean) agpgart 42660 0 (unused) via82cxxx_audio 19448 1 ac97_codec 11916 0 [via82cxxx_audio] uart401 6052 0 [via82cxxx_audio] sound 55276 0 [via82cxxx_audio uart401] 8139too 13736 1 mii 2240 0 [8139too] crc32 2816 0 [8139too] serial 52100 0 (autoclean) hci_usb 8924 0 (unused) bluez 31044 1 [hci_usb] audio 42140 2 soundcore 3428 6 [via82cxxx_audio sound audio] pwc 44912 0 (unused) videodev 5600 1 [pwc] pcmcia_core 39840 0 thermal 6564 0 (unused) processor 8976 0 [thermal] fan 1568 0 (unused) button 2508 0 (unused) battery 5888 0 (unused) ac 1824 0 (unused) rtc 7036 0 (autoclean) cloop 8740 2 ieee1394 183076 0 usb-storage 61696 0 (unused) usb-uhci 21644 0 (unused) usbcore 57600 1 [hci_usb audio pwc usb-storage usb-uhci] ataraid 6180 0 ide-cd 28512 0 ide-scsi 8816 1 Seems that there's more going on in the sound department...

I'm in the same boat as you. Been trying to fix it for awhile. I have the onboard VIA 8233 sound card. Haven't gotten it to work though.

Both. It's not just crappy...It's un-listenable. Just like earlier, it skips so severely that it takes a looooong time for even just the logon sound to complete. XMMS freezes when I try to play music. It's been doing this since I installed MDK 10, and I upgraded hoping the later kernel would fix it... When I updated the ALSA drivers, the problem was somewhat less severe--i.e. still unlistenable, but it played slightly more of the sound at a time, instead of just blips. And no matter the buffer size i choose using KDE's sound system, the problem stays pretty much the same. I don't understand! What can I do?

[root@localhost vincent]# lsmod Module Size Used by md5 3584 1 ipv6 230916 15 autofs4 15268 0 af_packet 16072 2 usbhid 41088 0 floppy 55088 0 8139too 20928 0 mii 4224 1 8139too ide-cd 37280 0 cdrom 37724 1 ide-cd loop 12520 0 nls_iso8859-1 3680 1 ntfs 147964 1 supermount 34804 1 via-agp 7360 1 agpgart 27752 1 via-agp via82cxxx_audio 26440 2 soundcore 7008 3 via82cxxx_audio ac97_codec 16844 1 via82cxxx_audio uhci-hcd 28752 0 usbcore 103172 4 usbhid,uhci-hcd genrtc 7444 0 ext3 120680 2 jbd 49080 1 ext3 Last night I was trying to get the ALSA drivers up and running; I updated to the latest RC, but it didn't do anything. So I switched back over to OSS using harddrake and re-added "via82cxxx_audio" into the modprobe.preload file. I went ahead and modprobe -r'ed the ALSA drivers, but it said they weren't in the kernel, so they're definitely not there... That lsmod is the results, after a restart. The module's loaded properly, right?...What else should I do?

Okay. Figured it out. But it's still no go. My sound skips terribly; the startup sound itself takes more than a minute to complete. What other module things need editing? Or is that a solution? I've been grappling with this for some time now...I want music in Linux!! thanks again

Okay, stupid question: I don't have permissions to edit that file. How do I edit it? I logged in as the SU, but how do I launch it as the SU? I know I've done that before, I just can't remember how... Thanks!

H'lo again, I upgraded (well, formatted and installed) to 10.1 Community, which ended up fixing my keyboard/mouse issues. However, sound still skips severely, no matter the driver I try. It's onboard sound on a VIA motherboard; the default kernel driver is via_82xx or something. When I used Knoppix, the sound worked. It used the same default driver, but the kernel is 2.4.xx, while MDK10 uses 2.6. The sound in Knoppix was kinda crappy, but that's better than no sound at all; is there a way to downgrade the sound drivers in the kernel, or add older sound drivers, from that distro of Knoppix, to my drivers? I don't want to recompile the entire kernel... Thanks all. volfro

Hi, This sucks. My computer uses the VIA Prosavage8 integrated graphics card, card KN266 if you're curious. It's fairly dinky--not made for much, with only 4 megs of ram, but it gets the job done. So my problem: I would LOVE to play Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory under Linux. This OS has outperformed my XP install in many ways, and I'd love to see how the game runs under Linux as opposed to XP, but there's no OpenGL support for my card that I can find under Linux! I need OpenGL drivers for my card if I want to play E-T, or even Tux Racer. Anybody know ANYTHING? I've been googling and cross-referencing for hours. VIA makes you think you're getting a driver when, in fact, you're getting a .PDF of driver installation instructions. S3 doesn't give crap. I've installed the latest probo drivers. Speaking of which, from probo itself: Does that mean I can downgrade my XFree86 to an earlier version and get OpenGL support or what? Is it wise or even possible to downgrade XFree86? Because I keep getting *********************************************************** You are using software Mesa (no hardware acceleration)! Driver DLL used: libGL.so.1 If this is intentional, add "+set r_allowSoftwareGL 1" to the command line when starting the game. *********************************************************** ...WARNING: could not set the given mode (4) Initializing OpenGL display ...setting mode 3: 640 480 Using XFree86-VidModeExtension Version 2.2 XF86DGA Mouse (Version 2.0) initialized XFree86-VidModeExtension Activated at 640x480 Received signal 11, exiting... [vincent@localhost vincent]$ when I try to run it, and when I allow software GL, it runs at about a frame every three or four seconds. Good old Signal 11 is makin' me mad. Help! I want to play E-T with Linux, not Windows! (Ever since I've been working with Linux--about two weeks ago or so--Windows feels incredibly sluggish and unsafe. I love this OS, even though I've had hardware goofiness--check my other posts if you think you can help..)

I agree with SoulSe. I'm a total newbie--had Mandrake 10 installed for about a week, but have used Redhat before--and I'm trying to build a custom kernel. I don't know if there's a way to learn more, unless you feel like sorting through all the documentation on the net. Which I tried. It's boring. I'd rather just do it. Hands-on is often the best way to learn. I went with the 10.6.8 kernel at kernel.org--'Drake uses 10.6.3. Hopefuly it'll work, when I finally get it installed... I successfully compiled my kernel and made the modules, but when I make install the modules, I get errors. I think it's because I don't have oprofile installed, but I'm having trouble with that installation too. Speaking of which (ahem) could anybody help me with that? Details are right here.

[root@localhost oprofile-0.5.4]# cd libutil++ [root@localhost libutil++]# make source='op_bfd.cpp' object='op_bfd.o' libtool=no \ depfile='.deps/op_bfd.Po' tmpdepfile='.deps/op_bfd.TPo' \ depmode=gcc3 /bin/sh ../depcomp \ g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I ../libutil -W -Wall -fno-common -g -O2 -c -o op_bfd.o `test -f 'op_bfd.cpp' || echo './'`op_bfd.cpp op_bfd.cpp: In member function `bool op_bfd::have_debug_info() const': op_bfd.cpp:271: error: `sec' undeclared (first use this function) op_bfd.cpp:271: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) op_bfd.cpp:271: error: `section' undeclared (first use this function) make: *** [op_bfd.o] Error 1 [root@localhost libutil++]# I tried making in other dirs as well. Only two of them finished. Tried making in the oprofile directory once again, and got the exact same error as before. This is frustrating.

Thanks. I installed the devel packages that it said were missing (liberty and then popt) and now ./configure --with-kernel-support works. I think I tried downloading that RPM before, but it was a different version so I got dependency craziness. But then make ends with this: depmode=gcc3 /bin/sh ../depcomp \ g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I ../libutil -W -Wall -fno-common -g -O2 -c -o op_bfd.o `test -f 'op_bfd.cpp' || echo './'`op_bfd.cpp op_bfd.cpp: In member function `bool op_bfd::have_debug_info() const': op_bfd.cpp:271: error: `sec' undeclared (first use this function) op_bfd.cpp:271: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) op_bfd.cpp:271: error: `section' undeclared (first use this function) make[2]: *** [op_bfd.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/vincent/oprofile-0.5.4/libutil++' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/vincent/oprofile-0.5.4' make: *** [all] Error 2 What to do about that? I'm still not good at reading that language, so I'm not sure what to do about it. BTW: still talking about the oprofile installation here, not the kernel.

I'm about to start kicking my computer. Or, at least, the oprofile configurator. I'm trying to install oprofile so I can update my kernel to 2.6.8, but when I type ./configure --with-kernel-support it tells me that and the configure script stops. But according to oprofile's help and FAQ, the libraries are there, in the binutils package. I urpmi'd, and it told me binutils was already there, so I urpmi'd libbinutils. It installed without a hitch. So the liberty library MUST be there! If it's not...where can I get it? I've been googling like crazy and have turned up nil. Somebody help! It's driving me CRAZY. EDIT Okay, I went ahead and tried to compile my kernel anyway. Everything went fine till # make modules_install. It installed everything okay till it got to the OSS AC97 stuff: INSTALL sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko if [ -r System.map ]; then /sbin/depmod -ae -F System.map 2.6.8-1; fi WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/ymfpci.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_save_state WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/ymfpci.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_release_codec WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/ymfpci.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_restore_state WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/ymfpci.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_alloc_codec WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/ymfpci.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_probe_codec WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/via82cxxx_audio.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_release_codec WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/via82cxxx_audio.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_alloc_codec WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/via82cxxx_audio.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_probe_codec WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/forte.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_release_codec WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/forte.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_read_proc WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/forte.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_alloc_codec WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/forte.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_probe_codec WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/ali5455.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_set_dac_rate WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/ali5455.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_release_codec WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/ali5455.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_set_adc_rate WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/ali5455.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_alloc_codec WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/ali5455.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_probe_codec WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/ad1889.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_release_codec WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/ad1889.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_read_proc WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/ad1889.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_alloc_codec WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/ad1889.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_probe_codec WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/ac97_plugin_ad1980.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_unregister_driver WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1/kernel/sound/oss/ac97_plugin_ad1980.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_register_driver make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 1 [root@localhost linux]# What, pray tell, does that mean? Does it mean that I really don't have the proper libraries (liberty libraries) installed? Or what? I'm confused. The whole point of the upgrade is to see if my sound driver issues and my keyboard and mouse weirdness would disappear. And, just to do it, to learn my way around a little better. I'd like to get this thing off the ground sometime soon. Thanks again for any help :) [moved from Software by spinynorman]