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It actually did that by default. Copied the config from the 2.6.8.1-10mdk I urpmi'd, which had no problems. I just customized it to my hardware--without messing with the SCSI settings, I might add. But, as you say, I shall try that with the minimum of tinkering. If at first you don't succeed...try again. And again. AND AGAIN. AND A FREAKING GAIN. :)

...Still not working.... Anybody have any idea where to go from here? I built the 2.6.9 kernel in FC2 without trouble, and would like to do the same in MDK 10.1... And everything goes just fine till those SCSI drivers in the make process. Ideas? Suggestions? HELP?!

Here goes. :inhales: I reinstalled my copy of mdk10.1 community. Even with the cam unplugged the entire time, no sound. So I installed the kernel sources (2.6.8.1-10mdk) and compiled, after getting some dependency issues sorted out, without ALSA support. Still no sound. Urpmi'd to 2.6.8.1-12mdk. Still no sound. Now, I'm trying to compile an unpatched 2.6.9, no ALSA support, but I get this error during the make process: CC [M] drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.o drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.c: In function `qla2x00_queuecommand': drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.c:315: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to 'qla2x00_callback': function not considered for inlining drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.c:269: sorry, unimplemented: called from here drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.c:315: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to 'qla2x00_callback': function not considered for inlining drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.c:269: sorry, unimplemented: called from here make[3]: *** [drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/qla_os.o] Error 1 make[2]: *** [drivers/scsi/qla2xxx] Error 2 make[1]: *** [drivers/scsi] Error 2 make: *** [drivers] Error 2 [root@localhost linux-2.6.9]# So I went back into xconfig and disabled some unnecessary and experimental SCSI drivers, and got the same error. What should I do?

Yeah, I'm gonna reinstall Mandrake and give it another go. I've been impressed by FC; it's a very tight package, and it looks good, but I feel like I know Mandrake a little better--EVEN IF I have trouble getting almost anything to compile. We'll see how the duplexing issue goes.

Sound's fixed!! I reinstalled mandrake after I screwed up the x server trying to get DRI support, but no luck, no sound--and I couldn't get a new kernel to compile. Kept getting ridiculous errors that didn't make sense about packages that I knew were installed but I went back and updated anyway and still no go. SO I reinstalled Fedora Core, only this time, I unplugged my WEBCAM, which also acts as a microphone!! The kernel was getting confused about drivers, I suppose. However, I get NO duplexing--it automatically uses the ALSA sound drivers, which sound pretty crappy. When I /sbin/modprobe -r snd_via82xx, I get told the module can't be removed because it's in use, even though I mute it via the gnome GUI. Any ideas? Thanks again for all the help!

I'm happy to report my FIRST SUCCESSFUL kernel build! Woohoo! I went with the vanilla 2.6.9 kernel, unpatched. Unfortunately, though, even with OSS sound support enabled and no ALSA, I'm afraid I still get no sound out of fedora core. I want to reinstall MDK 10.1 and do the kernel thing again and see what happens; MDK was better with the sound than FC has been--I got skips in there, as opposed to the no sound whatsoever I get in FC. Chances are, the vanilla won't work any better in MDK, but we'll see... Thanks again for all your help, arthur!

Thanks. I understand that it's experimental, but I'm not worried about screwing up the system. I'm here to learn, and sometimes that's what it takes, right? My youngest brother often asks my oldest brother how to learn what he's learned about computers. His answer is always: crash it. Then fix it. But I am trying the vanilla kernel first. I'll let you know how it turns out. :)

Oh, very quick question-- Do you get the vanilla kernel and then patch it directly using the nitro patch, or is there a pre-patched version of 2.6.9 out there? I'm gonna try my hand at that one... I ask because at the nitro patch's website, there're 2.6.9 RC patches, all the way up to four, but at kernel.org, there's only one 2.6.9, which, I presume, is the final release. I went ahead and downloaded both the kernel and the patch, so should I just unzip and patch 'em or is there someplace else I should go? Thanks once again for all the help!

Exciting! I don't know when I'll get a chance to try it, but try it I will. That's one of the big things that's been keeping me from using Linux every day; I listen to music almost whenever I'm on the computer. Besides, the sound skipping thing is very very annoying. But next, I plan on tackling webcam support... :lol:

I'll try urpmi-ing 2.4.27 as soon as I can. However, since it's come up, I want to ask you something I've wondered about for awhile and haven't found the answer to in all my kernel readings... Will the Mandrake distribution still work correctly if I compile and install a non-mandrake kernel? I suppose this is a stupid question, considering that's one of the POINTS of linux--the whole whatever-kerenl-you-please idea--but I'm still curious if installing other kernels affects performance (besides improving it because it's a smaller kernel). And reliability? Is that affected beyond the reliability of the kernel itself? But anyway. I've tried to compile my own kernel twice now, and it's not worked either time, but I'm NOT going to give up. Where can I get those mm patches you spoke of? And do you apply the patches to the source directly just like you apply other patches to the source from kernel.org? I ask because I'm all about learning. I know it's the future, Linux is, and I don't mind diving in head-first with a few good walkthroughs. I haven't stored anything important on my Linux partition, so it'll be formatted and screwed up as many times as it takes, and I'm ready to get my hands dirty with the inner workings and tinkering. I tried installing Fedora Core 2--which Mandrake could take a lesson or two from, when it comes to interface design and ease of package installation--and updating it, but no cigar, unfortunately. Thanks for helping me out, arthur. You've been very supportive. :)

Okay. I disabled the KDE sound server and it's made a little difference. Not much though. Now, when I press play in XMMS, I get skipping sounds just as with everything else, instead of it crashing. KDE noise behaves as it did before--severe skipping, so bad that I have to mute it--and certain, very short game sounds (i.e. the ball-knocking in Kolf) skip along somewhat intelligibly. I also urpmi'd kernels. The latest I could find in the cooker was 2.6.8.1.12mdk-1-1mdk. No difference. It skips a little slower. If you remember from my previous posts, sound works nicely in Knoppix--though the quality is kinda bad. My edition of Knoppix uses the 2.4 kernel, so I figured I'd urpmi one of those--and still, no difference. The system's somewhat slower and less stable, but no difference othewise. Where to go from here? Should I move on to another distro? (I'm already contemplating new hardware, but as a college kid, I'm poor.) Thanks once again for all the help

I haven't done that yet. I'll try that before I mess with all this kernel mayhem. Either way, I'll report back and let you know if it's fixed! Thanks for all the help :)

That's cool! I didn't know you could do that. But alas, I couldn't find a later kernel for 10.1. Every time I tried to access the mandrake-devel folders, I was denied access. I think it's running 2.6.8, but the latest 2.6 is under the Mdk 10 directory, and it's 2.6.3. Are there any other sources I could go to for that?

There were instructions for installing the drivers on alsa-project.org, but the VIA section seems to be down, or I'd send you a link. But they're modular sound drivers, they're not part of the kernel...at least I don't think. I'm still a noob, as you can probably tell. Should I go Debian? Or Gentoo? I don't know if I'm advanced enough for either of those... You're right, though, I should try a newer kernel. I tried before and had problems with make modules_install. I couldn't get it to work. But I will try again. And I'm pretty sure Knoppix uses the OSS drivers, but the edition I have is the older 2.4 kernel. Is it wise to downgrade? I went ahead and did lsmod in Knoppix... Module Size Used by Not tainted autofs4 8756 1 (autoclean) af_packet 13544 0 (autoclean) agpgart 42660 0 (unused) via82cxxx_audio 19448 1 ac97_codec 11916 0 [via82cxxx_audio] uart401 6052 0 [via82cxxx_audio] sound 55276 0 [via82cxxx_audio uart401] 8139too 13736 1 mii 2240 0 [8139too] crc32 2816 0 [8139too] serial 52100 0 (autoclean) hci_usb 8924 0 (unused) bluez 31044 1 [hci_usb] audio 42140 2 soundcore 3428 6 [via82cxxx_audio sound audio] pwc 44912 0 (unused) videodev 5600 1 [pwc] pcmcia_core 39840 0 thermal 6564 0 (unused) processor 8976 0 [thermal] fan 1568 0 (unused) button 2508 0 (unused) battery 5888 0 (unused) ac 1824 0 (unused) rtc 7036 0 (autoclean) cloop 8740 2 ieee1394 183076 0 usb-storage 61696 0 (unused) usb-uhci 21644 0 (unused) usbcore 57600 1 [hci_usb audio pwc usb-storage usb-uhci] ataraid 6180 0 ide-cd 28512 0 ide-scsi 8816 1 Seems that there's more going on in the sound department...

I'm in the same boat as you. Been trying to fix it for awhile. I have the onboard VIA 8233 sound card. Haven't gotten it to work though.