Ciinien

Sorry about taking so long to respond; I have been tied up with other things. Unfortunately, no, John, that did not work. I changed things as you and aRTee suggested but still no joy on the CDs.

I had some other problems as well so I am doing a fresh install (thinking back on a post you made about things sometimes getting corrupted on install). I've done so many installs, it goes pretty quickly at this point... lol.

I am going to try the minimalist approach this time and bring the system up with just enough to get it running and have KDE. If all goes well with that, I will add a package, test it and move on. Maybe that's where I'm going wrong, given my limited knowledge of Linux, is in bringing too many packages online without knowing what makes them tick. After all, this is a learning experience for me as much so as anything else.

I appreciate both of you trying to help and will let you know how the fresh install goes.

Cheers!

Ci

Thanks for all the help and suggestions. I finally stumbled around and got my /var/www/html permissions set to allow me to write and execute properly. However, I don't think the initial install set php v4.3.4 up properly because I am having an extremely hard time locating all the files causing the following errors (the file test.php is from the php installation documentation to check for proper installation):

Warning: main(config.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /var/www/html/test.php on line 2

Warning: main(): Failed opening 'config.php' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php/:/usr/share/pear/') in /var/www/html/test.php on line 2

Warning: mysql_connect(): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) in /var/www/html/test.php on line 3

Warning: mysql_select_db(): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) in /var/www/html/test.php on line 4

Warning: mysql_select_db(): A link to the server could not be established in /var/www/html/test.php on line 4
Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2)

Needless to say, none of these files are where they should be according to these error messages and I can't track them down using locate, find or whereis. I am just about to pull my hair out (what little I still have... ) over MDK's file location strategy. I have even gone through the directories, starting with /, by hand from a terminal and still cannot find most of these files.

I'm about to the point of completely reinstalling MDK and hand-picking the files it installs just so I know for sure it has all the proper ones on the computer--somewhere... lol

Cheers!

Ci

This post may not be needed, but I thought a new user or two might be wondering how to get v10-Official without a lot of hassle since Mandrake hasn't yet released the ISOs for version 10-Official because they are still selling it from the Mandrake store with the PowerPak... B) . This mini-guide is kind of my way of giving a little back to the community for all the help everyone has given me since I began my Tux journey a couple of weeks ago.

This post covers using a Windoze box to download and burn the boot image for v10-Official to CD, which in turn allows one to boot their prospective [standalone] Linux box and get v10-Official straight off the web via ftp. This would also apply to a dual-boot scenario--simply use LILO or Grub where applicable to complete that process. Please keep in mind, however, that this is the one and only time we will mention dual-booting and this guide is specifically geared toward getting the files on a standalone Windoze box and installing them on a standalone Linux box. There are several other methods of going about doing what I outline here. For me, the following method was the simplest, fastest, and most intuitive.

WARNING, Will Robinson: We'll be doing a clean install here NOT an upgrade--if you have anything from an older Linux installation you wish to keep that might not be in the RPM directories (e.g. bookmarks.html, data files, plug-ins, etc.), save those RPMs, tarballs and/or files to CD before following the steps outlined here.

NOTE: This *can* be a relatively slow process depending upon your ISPs current serving load and the web and mirror traffic at the time of your download (for me, on a cable modem, it was about 3.25 hours from booting the CD to looking at KDE but your mileage will vary). Having said all that, the mirror we will use for this example downloads pretty fast as a general rule. Another reason it can sometimes be slow is that ALL the hdlists, synth-files, network drivers, applicable hardware drivers, et al, have to be retrieved and checksummed. If the files all pass their MD5 test, they are then loaded into memory and the actual install begins. If it appears that the download might have stalled, chill! Get a cup of coffee, a Pepsi, a beer, take a smoke break, watch a movie with the significant other and/or kids (if applicable), whatever... rofl.

Edit: After having my attention called to it in a PM, I realized I had inadvertantly created a typo on the download time above. Originally I had put fifteen minutes, which is impossible, even across a T1! I have changed the time to include the correct hours figure as well. My apologies for the typo...

The most important thing is: DO NOT interrupt your box during this phase or you might have to download and install a bunch of network drivers and junk and use both floppy and CD for your install. You really don't wanna mess with all that unless you're pretty experienced with both Windoze and Linux, and have a lot of time. Once the downloads start, just let your computer do it's thing. Check on it every so often though, so you can answer any prompts it might spit out.

Okay, here we go, sports fans:

1. 
   
   
2. Go to whichever ftp server you normally use, we'll use ftp://ftp.club-internet.fr for this example (I use this one because I generally get great download speeds and they usually have files sooner than some of the other mirrors... ;)).
   
3. Navigate to the /images directory to snag the boot.iso file--for the ftp://club-internet.fr server this is: /pub/unix/linux/distributions/Mandrakelinux/official/10.0/i586/images (don't close this browser window just yet, you'll need some other urls for a later install step and it's just simpler and easier if they're handy in your browser's location bar as you navigate among them
   
4. Check out the install.txt and the install.htm on the way to the /images directory for specific instructions if you've got your propeller cap on at the time
   
5. Otherwise, the instructions found in the install.* file(s) might be a little confusing for new users; here's the skinny for all my fellow non-prop-heads:
   1. 
      
      
   2. Copy the boot.iso from /images directory to a temp directory somewhere on your Windoze box. It doesn't matter where, you can delete this entire temp directory when we're through with it if you like
      
   3. Fire up your favorite burning software (I use EasyCD 5.x Platinum personally)
      
   4. Burn the boot.iso file from the temp directory to a CD. It's okay if your CD software wants to close out the session, that CD is dead now anyway, even though we only put about 8MB on it.
      
   5. Make sure you navigate back to the /i586 directory so you'll have that url handy
      

[*]Stick the CD you just burned into the soon-to-be Linux box and boot it up

[*]When the first graphical interface comes up, just hit ENTER to do a clean install. Choose FTP and hit the TAB key to move to the OK choice and hit ENTER

NOTE: DO NOT choose NFS because your box will then look for the install files somewhere on your home or office network; unless you've previously installed them there, they don't exist! Also, you can't choose HTTP from this particular mirror. If you wish to use HTTP to download, find a mirror that offers that choice then come back to this guide when you've gotten to this step and chosen HTTP instead of FTP.

[*]In the next screen, enter the information, all of which is given above. FTP server is in step #1. Mandrake directory is in step #2--without the /images directory on the end though... ;)

[*]You're logging on anonymously, so don't put anything in login or password. Unless you're behind a proxy, don't put anything in those two lines either

[*]When ready, hit TAB to move to the OK button and hit ENTER.

[*]The next screen advises you to wait, that program is being loaded into memory if all of the above went as it should have. If you do not see this screen, reboot your box and follow the steps again until you do see it. The program downloads and we then move on...

[*]From here on out, the install is just like a CD install, just a little slower because of the network download instead of grabbing files directly from the CD as it normally would

If you haven't installed Linux at all yet and need help with the install from this point, aRTee has an excellent tutorial for installing v10-CE here. Just follow the tutorial--same install, just the Official version of the files instead of the CE version.

Good luck and enjoy :mdk: v10-Official!

Cheers!

Ci

Edit: moved from Installing Mandrake by spinynorman

Firstly, to my mind, mysql doesn't have a "testpage". Its a database, you enter the mysql front end either through a terminal or through a php script (like this forum does) to read and write data which is stored in a tabular format.

 

/var/www/html is owned by root, for security reasons, as you might imagine. If your system had more than one user you wouldn't want them to all be able to change your webserver's front page. To change this do: "chown username /var/www/html" where username is, your username. You'll now be able to change the files in there and setup your site.

 

Mandrake might put things in non-standard places, but in my experience, apache is a lot easier to use on mandrake than some other systems

 

have fun!

 

-fissy

I think you probably misunderstood me, fissy... ;). I'm not grousing about not liking MDK. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact. At any rate, I will try the suggestions offered by both of you to see if I can get things going my way on this web site thing.

Cheers!

Ci

Info

This will get a little long, for that I apologize in advance. However, I am about to the information overload point and need a little help/advice... (NOTE: I'm having to edit this on the fly because the forum's "preview" functionality is broken and it posts every time instead of previewing... rofl)

Running a 10-Official system, upgraded from 10-CE as the rpms became available. I installed Webmin and it has helped some, as far as finding things and helping to bring servers online more easily--thanks, Jamie!

I've managed to get most, if not all, critical systems up and running at this point. I still don't have my CD-R and CD-RW acting properly, sound and RW wise, but I can access them when needed for software updates so I'lll worry about ALSA and Sound Server playing well together later. Right now I am just trying to get my servers set up to transfer my web site from my Windoze XP Pro box to this box, the MDK 10 one.

A great deal of my problem stems from the fact that Mandrake, for some reason, doesn't install it's pacakges where most tutorials tell you to look for them. In other words, if a given tut tells me to look in, for example, /usr/local/<wherever>, mandrake has probably put my stuff in /home/ciinien/Documents or some such stupid place. I get so frustrated trying to play detective and track down where MDK puts some of my apps and stuff...

I have read so many posts, forums, doc sets that I am simply overwhelmed at this point with information. What I'm asking here is a lot, but if someone could please "simply" walk me through setting up Apache to serve my site, I'd greatly appreciate it. Here's where I am so far:

Apache is up and running--test page comes up fine. MySql is up and running but for some reason I can't get to the test page for it. I don't have write permissions (non-root user) for the /var/www/html directory and can't figure out how to give them to myself using chmod. I have written a small test.php script to check my web site (relocated to /var/www/html/bsdlabs) to do this but I can't seem to get to that directory either--permissions again.

I have tried to make sure all the configuration files (Apache, MySql, etc.) have the proper pointers, links, symlinks, and so forth that are needed but still can't seem to get this working. Ergo, I finally asked for help here, where I know one or the other of you old vets have been here and done this successfully. Please pardon the fact that I am too thick to get all this but I'm trying to learn so much at one time I guess I'm just brain-dead at the moment.

Again, thanks in advance for any help and/or advice.

Cheers!

Ci

I seem to remember trying all that, aRTee, but will try again. Thanks for the response.

Cheers!

Ci

While not totally applicable, I am having some of these same problems with finding and using my CD and CD-RW. Please find the following information:

/etc/fstab

/dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults 1 1
none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
/dev/hda6 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
none /mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/hdd,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,nodev 0 0
none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount dev=/dev/hdc,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,nodev 0 0
/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,codepage=850,noauto,exec 0 0
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
none /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0
/dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0

/etc/lilo.conf

# File generated by DrakX/drakboot
# WARNING: do not forget to run lilo after modifying this file

boot=/dev/hda
map=/boot/map
default="linux-secure"
keytable=/boot/us.klt
prompt
nowarn
timeout=50
message=/boot/message
menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw
image=/boot/vmlinuz
       label="linux"
       root=/dev/hda1
       initrd=/boot/initrd.img
       append="devfs=mount acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda5 splash=silent"
       vga=791
       read-only
image=/boot/vmlinuz
       label="linux-nonfb"
       root=/dev/hda1
       initrd=/boot/initrd.img
       append="devfs=mount acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda5"
       vga=791
       read-only
image=/boot/vmlinuz-secure
       label="linux-secure"
       root=/dev/hda1
       initrd=/boot/initrd-secure.img
       append="devfs=mount acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda5 splash=silent"
       vga=791
       read-only
image=/boot/vmlinuz
       label="failsafe"
       root=/dev/hda1
       initrd=/boot/initrd.img
       append="failsafe acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda5 devfs=nomount"
       vga=791
       read-only

[root@bsdlabs mnt]# ll
total 4
drwxrwxrwx  0 root root    0 Apr 23 11:33 cdrom/
drwxrwxrwx  0 root root    0 Apr 23 11:54 cdrom2/
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Apr 20 12:37 floppy/

[root@bsdlabs mnt]# cdrecord -scanbus
Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a27-dvd (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jörg Schilling
Note: This version is an unofficial (modified) version with DVD support
Note: and therefore may have bugs that are not present in the original.
Note: Please send bug reports or support requests to <warly@mandrakesoft.com>.
Note: The author of cdrecord should not be bothered with problems in this version.
scsidev: 'ATA'
devname: 'ATA'
scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
Warning: Using badly designed ATAPI via /dev/hd* interface.
Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27
Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'.
cdrecord: Warning: using inofficial libscg transport code version (warly-scsi-linux-sg.c-1.80-mdk '@(#)scsi-linux-sg.c  1.80 04/03/08 Copyright 1997 J. Schilling').
scsibus1:
       1,0,0   100) 'SAMSUNG ' 'DVD-ROM SD-608  ' 'BT01' Removable CD-ROM
       1,1,0   101) 'HP      ' 'CD-Writer+ 9100b' '1.07' Removable CD-ROM
       1,2,0   102) *
       1,3,0   103) *
       1,4,0   104) *
       1,5,0   105) *
       1,6,0   106) *
       1,7,0   107) *

[root@bsdlabs mnt]# lsmod
Module                  Size  Used by
sg                     39772  0
lp                     12904  0
r128                  105664  30
md5                     4864  1
ipv6                  251616  14
snd-seq-midi            9184  0
snd-emu10k1-synth       7968  0
snd-emux-synth         38176  1 snd-emu10k1-synth
snd-seq-virmidi         8352  1 snd-emux-synth
snd-seq-midi-emul       8768  1 snd-emux-synth
snd-seq-oss            33568  0
snd-seq-midi-event      8704  3 snd-seq-midi,snd-seq-virmidi,snd-seq-oss
snd-seq                55696  8 snd-seq-midi,snd-emux-synth,snd-seq-virmidi,snd-seq-midi-emul,snd-seq-oss,snd-seq-midi-event
snd-pcm-oss            53316  0
snd-mixer-oss          19008  1 snd-pcm-oss
snd-emu10k1            88900  2 snd-emu10k1-synth
snd-rawmidi            25248  3 snd-seq-midi,snd-seq-virmidi,snd-emu10k1
snd-pcm                97440  2 snd-pcm-oss,snd-emu10k1
snd-timer              26660  2 snd-seq,snd-pcm
snd-seq-device          9032  7 snd-seq-midi,snd-emu10k1-synth,snd-emux-synth,snd-seq-oss,snd-seq,snd-emu10k1,snd-rawmidi
snd-ac97-codec         59588  1 snd-emu10k1
snd-page-alloc         12996  2 snd-emu10k1,snd-pcm
snd-util-mem            5440  2 snd-emux-synth,snd-emu10k1
snd-hwdep              10016  2 snd-emux-synth,snd-emu10k1
snd                    54884  18 snd-seq-midi,snd-emux-synth,snd-seq-virmidi,snd-seq-oss,snd-seq-midi-event,snd-seq,snd-pcm-oss,snd-mixer-oss,snd-emu10k1,snd-rawmidi,snd-pcm,snd-timer,snd-seq-device,snd-ac97-codec,snd-util-mem,snd-hwdep
soundcore              10208  1 snd
af_packet              22824  2
hid                    55136  0
ide-cd                 41764  0
cdrom                  38336  1 ide-cd
floppy                 61332  0
ipt_TOS                 3232  12
ipt_REJECT              7456  4
ipt_LOG                 6400  6
ipt_state               2720  16
ipt_multiport           2848  2
ipt_conntrack           3296  0
iptable_filter          3616  1
iptable_mangle          3616  1
iptable_nat            24996  0
ip_conntrack           33612  3 ipt_state,ipt_conntrack,iptable_nat
ip_tables              18720  9 ipt_TOS,ipt_REJECT,ipt_LOG,ipt_state,ipt_multiport,ipt_conntrack,iptable_filter,
iptable_mangle,iptable_nat
3c59x                  40904  0
supermount             39856  2
intel-agp              18364  1
agpgart                32460  2 intel-agp
ppa                    13448  0
parport_pc             34304  1
imm                    13608  0
scsi_mod              117680  3 sg,ppa,imm
parport                41032  4 lp,ppa,parport_pc,imm
uhci-hcd               31856  0
usbcore               102908  4 hid,uhci-hcd
rtc                    13704  0
ext3                  114216  1
jbd                    61976  1 ext3

The apps I'm trying to use (KsCD, XMMS, K3B, etc.) cannot find the player or burner. Webmin and MCC sees them both fine. Any ideas?

If more info is needed, please don't hesitate to ask for it as I don't know exactly what info is required to let you guys know what the problem is/might be.

Cheers!

Ci

Just  a side note.

 

Hello Ixthusdan, nice to meet another MUO user face to face.  Cheers to you and your lovely lady/wife.    Looks like we might start something new here and gradually move away from the "anonymous"  visual contact with oneanother even though we may wish to keep our names that way.

 

Cheers to you both and to ALL.            John

*off topic*

Yes, the avatars are fun, but it is nice to see real faces. I think it makes for better focus.

 

Oh, she is my wife, and she is quite a lady! :D

I agree with you both: the avs are great for "hobby" forums such as gaming and such but for a serious informational forum such as this, it is nice to see a pic of the person behind the advice, if you follow me. Call me old-fashioned, I just prefer seeing the person offering advice that has a system-wide impact on my network... :unsure:

Cheers!

Ci

Lennart.

Try:

$ su

$ ifconfig

Gets me the following:

# ifconfig
eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:A0:24:E9:C4:AC
         inet addr:<the address assigned by router>  Bcast:>machine's bcast addy>  Mask:255.255.255.0
         inet6 addr: fe80::2a0:24ff:fee9:c4ac/64 Scope:Link
         UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
         RX packets:866 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
         TX packets:907 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
         collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
         RX bytes:541786 (529.0 Kb)  TX bytes:144204 (140.8 Kb)
         Interrupt:10 Base address:0xef00

lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
         inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
         inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
         UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
         RX packets:576 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
         TX packets:576 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
         collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
         RX bytes:50646 (49.4 Kb)  TX bytes:50646 (49.4 Kb)

Works for me on a 10-CE installation. Good luck.

Cheers!

Ci

Thanks for the welcome, aRTee. Aye, for one who wishes to explore, your site offers much info!

As for the taking care of myself, it's my ability to admit that I am totally clueless coupled with my ADD/OCD personality that makes me dig and ask questions of those who do know until I also know the answers--after all, a sick mind is a terrible thing to waste...

Cheers!

Ci

I had a couple of problems on install with 10-CE as well, with internet functionality. Instead of going into them again, I will simply link to that thread for those interested.

Cheers!

Ci

I came, I saw, I kicked its... well, you've all seen Ghostbusters I would imagine... :P

It took digging through many forums and old posts, reading a bunch of docs, and generally $ vi -ing first this file and another but I finally figured out my problem and got everything running. So now I'm posting from my brand new installation of 10-CE and marveling at the "smart guys" who sit around, become bored, and dream up stuff like Linux... B)

The problem turned out to be a combination of 10-CE not liking my 3c9x series of NIC and the hotplug code. I got to the point where I was ready to chunk the box out the window but decided to install an older 3c509 TP card that I had lying around. It didn't at first work so I dug in the forums more. I stumbled across a thread referring to a cooker newletter remark that the hotplug code was not quite ready for prime-time in 10-CE so I disabled that as well. Still no joy at that point.

I did a complete, new install, wiping the hdd in the process and when the box came up, with no hotplugging and the 3c509 card, everything worked great. I $ vi -ed the CD players to ide-scsi in /etc/lilo.conf again and now both shutdown/reboot and start up report no errors whatsoever. Not that there isn't some bug just waiting to fly out of the core code at any given time, it's just that I think I have them all swatted for the moment.

Thanks so much to everyone for continually experimenting and posting your thoughts and results on these, and other forums and sites.

Cheers!

Ci

I tried, I truly did. I followed every shred of advice I found anywhere, including all the great advice/help/tips from all the posters in this thread. 9.2 simply refused to cooperate on the CD/CD-RW issue. So I blew it away... . At any rate, for my part, that now closes this thread, and saga of problems with my 9.2 install. My new install of 10-CE found the CDs but raised some new issues which are discussed in this thread since I felt that was a more appropriate place for it.

Thanks again to all those who have tried to help and who put out such good tips, advice and tutorial posts for all us n00bs! Hooah!

Cheers!

Ci

aRTee,

There's some great info on your site. I finished a clean, single-OS install of 10-CE this morning in the wee hours (never could get my CD and CD-RW to be properly recognized under 9.2 and had a thread going here). I really appreciate all the folks in that thread who tried their best to help as well. Since I never could get that install going my way, I got frustrated and just burned 10-CE and decided to install it instead.10-CE found both drives immediately, although is still had one as scsi and the other as ide. I added the <hdd=ide-scsi> and <hdc=ide-scsi> entries into /etc/lilo.conf and everything is fine now, CD wise. However, it seems as if I traded the CD problem for an internet-related one! Go figure-- out of the pan and into the fire, right? . Story of my life!

Actually the 10-CE installation is running, pretty well, all things considered given that I am so new to Linux and judging by the various troubles I've read that others have had so far. Thanks to your review and several other docs I found around the web and these forums I had no actual install problems to speak of at all--I already love this place and just joined a week or so ago. I updated using the tutorial from Steve Ambrose (on using urpmi) and am on my way to having a great installation going on here, surprisingly stable for a rush-to-"gold" release. I also found another thread by anon on cooker being the proper place to update 10-CE from; I wasn't aware of this caveat being a n00b and all. Thanks for that, anon. As soon as I can get KBear to recognize the host I will go there for another round of "good" updates instead of the few I hunted around for before. The good news is though, if I can't get KBear to get them, I have a pretty good handle on using urpmi from the command line now... B)

Anyway, enough back-slapping, beer-swilling and jocularity. I am encountering the following three problems with the install (two of which are just bootup/shutdown symptoms of the same root problem):

• When booting, the only failure I encounter is with my eth0 device/services, whatever. I receive the following error message:
  

  Starting internet connection if needed: usage: ifup <device name> FAILED

  
  

• When I request a reboot, I receive the following message as the OS goes through its shutdown routine:

  Stopping internet connection if needed: usage: ifdown <device name> FAILED

  
  

• Then, a couple of lines further down, when the shutdown routine reaches this code, it hangs and I have to cold boot to regain control of the machine:

  uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: USB bus 1 deregistered

  
  

When I run $ ifup/ifdown from the command line, neither command recognizes the card as even being installed (the card is a 3c905 100Base TX (Boomerang)). It has always ran fine under Windoze and ran fine under 9.2. However, for some reason, I cannot get 10-CE to play well with it. I have been trying to configure this card/connection since the initial install but nothing seems to work. What I am trying to do is get it working with my small network. At the moment, this Linux box is configured as a client for simplicity. Be that as it may, it will eventually become the static IP addressed PDC for my 4-box network and host a bevy of servers.

I have been in and out of the Control Center so much I'm surprised it even asks me for a password anymore... . I have assigned the card/device DHCP and other settings as outlined in Steve Scrimpshire's post here; meaning I set my /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 (as detailed). I have also tried assigning a the static IP that now goes to my main Windoze box and configuring both router and firewall to see that setup. Still not working for me.

Any advice help in this matter greatly appreciated. Meanwhile, back to trolling for all this GREAT information I've been finding... :deal:

Cheers!

Ci

Thanks, guys. I will give it another go and add the changes you've suggested.

Cheers!

Ci

Actuallly, Steve, that line had somehow gotten inserted somewhere along the way as the very first line in the /etc/lilo.conf file. As I said, how it got there, or what process put it there I have no idea--I only know it wasn't me. I rechecked my entries (I have looked at lilo.conf so often now I could almost write one from scratch out of memory--they were correct, as far as I can tell). Be that as it may, I removed the entry, so the point of where it came from is now moot... :P

At any rate, I think it's about time to close this thread out as a neat learning tool, but an as yet unsolved mystery. I have changed the drives to reflect that the burner is now at the end of the bus cable and the non-burner CD/DVD player is on the middle connector.

I have rerun k3bsetup and all the other suggestions from the FAQ bvc referred me to through the last suggestions here and from other documents found online. Nothing has changed that I can see. The OS still sees the burner as a scsi drive (but still won't let me burn to it) and the CD/DVD as an ide device, no matter what I do. The only thing I know that's left at this point is re-installing and see if the new install will reflect the changes of the drives on the bus cable.

I will wait a little while to make such a radical move until a couple of you guys trying to help me through my n00bness have a chance to see this post and reply in the affirmative or negative and possibly offer other suggestions.

Ona a side note: I did a little upgrading of draxtools earlier today (allowing all dependencies mentioned to be satisfied, of course) and some of my configuration tools went away in KDE such as the Software Media Manager and Software Installer. What's up with that?

Cheers!

Ci

Okay, after some digging around, I found the errant RAID related code in # /etc/lilo.conf. Where it came from or how it got there, I have no idea. I absolutely cannot remember putting it there. Anyway, here is the new run using the lilo -v command:

[root@scotty ciinien]# /sbin/lilo -v
LILO version 22.5.7.2, Copyright (C) 1992-1998 Werner Almesberger
Development beyond version 21 Copyright (C) 1999-2003 John Coffman
Released 20-Aug-2003, and compiled at 16:45:54 on Sep 18 2003

Reading boot sector from current root.
Using GRAPHIC secondary loader
Calling map_insert_data
Mapping message file /boot/message -> message-graphic
Calling map_insert_file

Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.4.22-10mdk
Mapping RAM disk /boot/initrd.img -> initrd-2.4.22-10mdk.img
Added linux *

Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.4.22-10mdk
Mapping RAM disk /boot/initrd.img -> initrd-2.4.22-10mdk.img
Added linux-nonfb

Boot other: /dev/fd0, loader CHAIN
Pseudo partition start: 0
Added floppy

Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-10mdk
Mapping RAM disk /boot/initrd-2.4.22-10mdk.img
Added old_linux-nonfb

Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-10mdk
Mapping RAM disk /boot/initrd-2.4.22-10mdk.img
Added old2_linux-nonf

Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-10mdk
Mapping RAM disk /boot/initrd-2.4.22-10mdk.img
Added old3_linux-nonf

Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.4.22-10mdk
Mapping RAM disk /boot/initrd.img -> initrd-2.4.22-10mdk.img
Added failsafe

Writing boot sector.
Backup copy of boot sector in /boot/boot.0301

Hope this means more to you than it does me. All I know is there were no errors, so whatever it is doing, it's most likely doing as it thinks it should... :D

Btw, if I move Down Under, think you could talk a couple of those babes into hanging on an old party animal's arm? Nah! But what an enticing thought, eh? rofl

Cheer!

Ci

Ok, just cgecking one or two things

 

After modifying lilo, are you running as root

/sbin/lilo -v

 

Also, when you start up your computer, run "modprobe ide-scsi' and let me know what it says.

 

Good luck!!!

 

iphitus

Thanks for the response, iphitus. I do run as root when I am trying to make all these system changes. However, since I reboot after each lilo.conf change, as suggested in the FAQ, I come back on as my /home/Ciinien account until I specifically # su for whatever reason.

When I # su to become root and run # modprobe ide-scsi from Konsole I get nothing. The OS simply returns me to the command line; leading me to believe I am not entering it correctly.

Running the lilo command you mention nets the following:

[root@scotty ciinien]# /sbin/lilo -v
LILO version 22.5.7.2, Copyright (C) 1992-1998 Werner Almesberger
Development beyond version 21 Copyright (C) 1999-2003 John Coffman
Released 20-Aug-2003, and compiled at 16:45:54 on Sep 18 2003

Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/dcsi")

For the record, I did a # cd to /dev, then # ls -la d* . I have no # /dev/dcsi entry listed there so I don't know what that is talking about. Neither am I running RAID? <shrugs>

Amd as one of my favorite all-time detectives would say, "Watson, the plot thickens--the game is afoot!"

Cheers!

Ci

You are correct about lilo.conf, but once you change lilo.conf and reboot, all of the above will be taken care of for you. devfs looks at /etc/lilo.conf when it gets mounted and that's where all the stuff in /dev comes from.

Thanks for the reply, Steve. That's what I thought as well given the way I'm beginning to understand a little about how Linux works. However, that's not the way it's panning out. I've changed /etc/lilo.conf and edited /etc/fstab by hand over and over today, as well as letting K3b do it for itself. Likewise I've # rm and # ln -s the symlink many times. For some reason the symlink always gets set back to seeing the CD as ide by some process or the other I have yet to run down. Is there perhaps somewhere I can simply download and install ATAPI so K3b will put on it's glad-rags and move on about it's business.

I read somewhere, other than the FAQ that bvc referred me to, that the the CD-RW, has to be on the end of the bus cable with the non-burner CD on the middle connector (I forget where I saw it--I've read many, many sets of docs at this point around the 'net). That's the last thing I have yet to try. I am about to pull the last two or three hairs I still possess out over this...

It's not all bad though. I am learning more by doing it this way and running down this lead and that than I would be otherwise. Any day I can learn something is a productive day, whether or not I solved the immediate problem at hand.

er just a rollin' along on training wheels!

Ci

bvc,

I apologize in advance for my verbosity. I just like all the i's dotted and the t's crossed in my discussions/debates... :D. I wanted to post this for two reasons

1. To insure that in case I blow up :mdk: and have to completely reinstall, I will still have a record of the original file contents for reference.
   
2. To see if what I plan is actually the best plan, or if you have suggestions that would fix the problem without me fumbling my way into a corner, so to speak.
   

Alright, by following the FAQ you referred me to, I've discovered and done the following things.

• Made all the /etc/lilo.conf changes suggested in the CD burner FAQ, with the exceptioin that I substituted my hdc device where you told me to insert hdb (see File Listing A, below -- I purle highlighted the inserts).
  
• Got to poking around and found via Control Center | Configure Hardware that there is, in fact, a CD that is seen and recognized by the OS as SCSI. This the real burner on the system.
  

Output from Control Center | Configure Hardware applet -- Burner device

 

Bus: SCSI

Location on the bus: 0:0:0

Drive capacity: burner

Channel: 00

New devfs device: /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd

Old device file: /dev/scd0

Floppy format: HP CD-Writer+ 9100b

Media class: cdrom

 

2nd CD/DVD Player-only device

 

Model: DVD-ROM SD-60

Vendor: Samsung

Bus: ide (as you will see in the lilo.conf output below, I have tried to change this to ide-scsi as directed)

Drive capacity: DVD

Channel: secondary

New devfs device: /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/cd

Old device file: /dev/hd

Media class: cdrom

File Listing A: /etc/lilo.conf:

 

map=/boot/map

vga=normal

default="linux"

keytable=/boot/us.klt

prompt

nowarn

timeout=100

message=/boot/message

menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw

image=/boot/vmlinuz

        label="linux"

        root=/dev/hda1

        initrd=/boot/initrd.img

        append="devfs=mount splash=silent splash=silent splash=silent hdd=ide-sc

si hdc=ide-scsi acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda5 splash=silent"

        vga=788

        read-only

image=/boot/vmlinuz

        label="linux-nonfb"

        root=/dev/hda1

        initrd=/boot/initrd.img

        append="devfs=mount splash=silent splash=silent splash=silent hdd=ide-sc

si hdc=ide-scsi acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda5"

        read-only

other=/dev/fd0

        label="floppy"

        unsafe

image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-10mdk

        label="old_linux-nonfb"

        root=/dev/hda1

        initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.22-10mdk.img

        append="devfs=mount splash=silent splash=silent hdd=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi acpi=ht res

ume=/dev/hda5"

        read-only

image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-10mdk

        label="old2_linux-nonf"

        root=/dev/hda1

        initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.22-10mdk.img

        append="devfs=mount splash=silent hdd=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda5"

        read-only

image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-10mdk

        label="old3_linux-nonf"

        root=/dev/hda1

        initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.22-10mdk.img

        append="devfs=mount hdd=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda5"

        read-only

image=/boot/vmlinuz

label="failsafe"

        root=/dev/hda1

        initrd=/boot/initrd.img

        append="devfs=nomount splash=silent splash=silent splash=silent

hdd=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda5 failsafe"        read-only

 

Information contained in /root/dev as pertains to this scsi emulation

discussion:

 

[root@scotty dev]# ls -la cd*

lr-xr-xr-x    1 root  root        13 Apr 10 03:51 cdrom -> cdroms/cdrom0

lr-xr-xr-x    1 root  root        13 Apr 10 03:51 cdrom0 -> cdroms/cdrom0

lr-xr-xr-x    1 root  root        13 Apr 10 03:51 cdrom1 -> cdroms/cdrom1

 

cdroms:

total 0

drwxr-xr-x    1 root  root            0 Dec 31  1969 ./

drwxr-xr-x    1 root  root            0 Dec 31  1969 ../

lr-xr-xr-x      1 root  root        33 Dec 31  1969 cdrom0 -> ../ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/cd

lr-xr-xr-x      1 root  root        34 Dec 31  1969 cdrom1 -> ../scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd

Does this all look about as one would expect?

And if so, if I completely # rm the first reference to cdrom0 and # ln -s the line above that reads: 33 Dec 31 1969 cdrom0 -> ../ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd

to read instead: 33 Dec 31 1969 cdrom0 -> ../scsi/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/cd , that should satisfy the instructions in the FAQ concerning the symlink? Note the swapping of busX designations to get the drives in the order the OS seems to be reading them? I would then change the line that actually SEES the scsi drive to a bus1 designation. Is this "proper", or will it muck things up even further?

And further, this should then make K3b, and all other devices/apps see both CDs as SCSI. Are these not correct assumptions?

I know I'm groping around in the dark here, but I do wish to learn and am trying to do this without bothering anyone any more than neccessary... :unsure:

Cheers!

Ci

Well, the information in the FAQ didn't do the trick. It did, however, send me on a couple of interesting side trips. I discovered by poking around here and there, for instance, that one of my CDs is, in fact, recognized by the OS as: /dev/scd0 (/mnt/cdrom2). So, that gives me other avenues to explore tomorrow, right? I just need to figure out how to persuade lilo.conf to clue K3 in to burn on that particular CDRW and none other.

Also, it may be the bus cable connection conundrum; I don't remember at this point how I hooked those up when I bought the burner (this machine is an old P-Pro III I just happened to have laying around when I decided to rebuild my home network). I have to tear into the box and check to see what is hooked up where.

At any rate, even though we haven't solved it, we've posed hypotesis that need clinical research to ascertain their validity... . I will say at this point that I am happy I decided to finally take the Linux plunge. As soon as I get used to doing everyting in an almost diametrically opposed way to Windoze, I should be fine... :ph34r:

Again, thanks for the help and warm welcome. We'll attack again tomorrow. This computer, nor , realize just yet that "I came here to WIN!"

Cheers!

Ci

Thanks for the welcome and quick response, bvc. I will do as you suggest and get back to you. Just goes to show you that I should have :deal: (RTFM) a little more thoroughly... B)

Cheers!

Ci

I hope this is the right forum for this. I searched around and "Emulation" seemed to most closely match my problem; ergo, I post here...

This pristine, single OS install of :mdk: v9.2 is my first ever journey in the land of ice and snow called Linux )... hmmm, there's a Zep song in there somewhere... ). The install went so perfectly I'm still pinching myself thinking I may be asleep at the wheel or something. I have had NO, read: N-o-o-o major problems whatsoever from the time I booted from CD-1 until I sit here typing this plea for help. Having said that, I am now at the stage of tweaking the minor problems such as outlined here. I have so far been able, using the docs and various forums around the web, to overcome them one by one. This one, however, is a thorn in my side I can't seem to get beyond at the moment.

I went to a site that had a gozillion rpms to get some of them burned to CD so I could easily install them when I had a better handle on what I wanted in the installation. When I tried to burn them with K3b, I got the following error:

No support for ATAPI with cdrdao

You will not be able to use all your reading devices as copy sources since there is at least one not configured to use SCSI emulation and your system does not support ATAPI with cdrdao.

 

Solution: The best and recommended solution is to enable ide-scsi (SCSI emulation) for all writer devices. This way you won't have any problems.

Obviously I know "what" it's telling me, having been a developer and web developer these past 20 years or so. However, being completely n00bish to Linux, I have no idea yet "where to fix it". I tried doing it through the hardware configuration section of the Control Center, but there isn't a switch there to turn on SCSI emulation. Then I tried to get to BIOS and see if I could do it from there. I can't figure out how to bypass the bootup and get into BIOS as you do in Windoze <hangs head in mewbie ignorance... >.

So, my fundamental question for all you veteran 's out there is this: hth do I change the settings to cause my burners to emulate SCSI so i can burn stuff. Or, secondly, how can I cause them to use ATAPI with cdrdao, or whatever that phrase is talking about?

Thanks in advance for any help/advice. And btw, please pardon the fact that my warped Irish sense of humor comes out when I'm tired and frustrated (i.e., the silly emoticons).

Cheers!

Ci