AussieJohn

Hi Adam. After I did the startup.conf thing, I even rebooted and when logged in again it still didn't work.....see attachment below for startup.conf. Yes the only thing that causes the button to work is when I do the .../usr/bin/imwheel -k --rc /etc/X11/imwheel/imwheelrc.MX1000...in a console as root, the same as you originally advised me. John.

Hello Adam. In fairness to you I will not pretend that I had sent you that ID info earlier because I had not, so there is nothing at all wrong with your memory. The Idetect-lst reference will explain why my making your suggested change to /etc/X11/imwheel/startup.conf made no difference. I even tried copy/pasting the one from 2009 but it made no difference, so there obviously had to be something more. Cheers. John.

Hello Adam. Here is the result as requested....... Bus 002 Device 002: ID 046d:c315 Logitech, Inc. By the way, the thumb buttons work perfectly in 2009 and has not needed any fiddling with so they obviously have the necessary info there. I would have thought that in would then have been made available for 2008-Spring. Thanks just the same Jim for trying to help. Adam, I will try your suggestion and let you know how I make out. Cheers. John.

Sorry Jim, I put in the whole line as you suggested ( /usr/bin/imwheel -k --rc /etc/X11/imwheel/imwheelrc.MX1000 )but it made no difference. Unless you intended that only some part of the line be used, and if so what part. Cheers. John.

Hello Brodie. Welcome to MUB and the world of Linux/Mandriva. A simple thing you can try is to open MCC (Mandriva Control Centre), go into Hardware then look for Set up the Graphical Server and click on it. Double click on the top line. It will result in a message at the top saying that it has found a driver and would you like to install it , click OK or whatever and let it do its thing. When done you will have to log out and then back in again for it to take effect. Regarding the thumb buttons you can use a routine suggested by our good friend AdamW from Mandriva, and which I use. First make sure that the imwheel package is installed. Open a console such as Konsole. Type in su and press enter then type your root password. and press enter again. Type in the following line (or copy and paste it in).. /usr/bin/imwheel -k --rc /etc/X11/imwheel/imwheelrc.MX1000 Press enter again and you should have thumb button operation. Keep in mind that anytime you reboot you will need to do this routine again unfortunately. However when you have completed your root password entry, just click the up arrow once or twice and you should see that /usr/bin etc line again. When you do then just click enter and you are away again. A bit of a pain but pretty simple and Quick. By the way does anyone have an answer as to how this can be made permanent so it doesn't have to be redone after every reboot ???. Cheers. John.

Banjo, what I suggested was get rid of all those numerous nvidia named packages that you listed. Dump them. Throw out. Remove etc. Sorry but my list is no way similar. My list is all related to .......2.6.24.7-1 Of all the kernels you listed I suggested you make sure the same ones I listed are installed and then boot into that one . When you do then do the proprietary driver install routine as recommended by nvidia, not Mandriva. You are allowing yourself to be confused when there is no need to be. I see you have ....kernel-desktop-2.6.24.7-1mnb ...already, so install the other packages I listed. You CANNOT install an nividia driver without the .....kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.24.7-1mnb...as well (or perhaps the kernel-source-2.6.24.7-1mnb which is a much larger package and not really needed for our purpose) it is essential. After you finally get things running you can uninstall the........ kernel-desktop-latest - Virtual rpm for latest kernel-desktop​ kernel-desktop586-2.6.24.4-1mnb - Linux kernel for desktop use with i586 & 1GB RAM​ kernel-desktop586-2.6.24.7-1mnb - Linux kernel for desktop use with i586 & 1GB RAM​ kernel-desktop586-latest - Virtual rpm for latest kernel-desktop586​. ..............which will serve no useful purpose. Cheers. John.

Hello Banjo. I also have the GeForce9600 GT video card I deleted everything that had word nvidia in the packages titles. In MCC ...Software management . Set to All then just type in nvidia and enter then uninstall everything that is ticked. I have the following stuff installed:-... kernel-desktop-2.6.24.7-1mnb kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.24.7-1mnb kernel-desktop-latest.............2.6.24.7 kernel-desktop-devel-latest..............2.6.24.7 kernel-headers.................2.6.24 The Nvidia driver that I installed was.........NVIDIA-Linux-x86-177.80-pkg1.run This works perfectly and has never been a bother. I have done over 5 reinstall of 2008-Spring over friends and my machine and works AOK everytime. Cheers. John

Hello again Tyme. Yes I got that message but all I did was reboot. Took about 3 times as long in going to bios and about 4 times longer than usual in booting up but it got there. Slipped in the DVD and was able to install Splashy and its dependency no trouble. Rebooted again and this time got a Silent Splash ( had been verbose in the past ) in the closing down to bios, and on booting up got Silent Splash at long last. The closing down and booting up times were also pretty quick as normal. Phew. :D Have deliberately rebooted 5 times to make sure it is fixed at last. :thumbs: Thanks to EVERYONE who contributed to success on this case. The urpmi update is something I will look at in a while but if I need help resolving it I will start a new thread. This thread can now be called SOLVED. Cheers. John.

Hi Adam and Tyme. I just checked in Mandriva-Spring, and I find that Splashy is NOT installed. Just tried to do a urpmi update from MCC and got an error message about the mirror site and now urpmi seems to be screwed up as a result. I cannot even install from the DVD. Will try to sort this out and come back to you. Cheers. John.

Hello Tyme. It is white text on black Background. Here is the Boot menu.lst.............. timeout 10 color black/cyan yellow/cyan gfxmenu (hd0,0)/boot/gfxmenu default 0 title Mandriva-2008-Spring kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24.7-desktop-1mnb BOOT_IMAGE=Mandriva-2008-Spring root=UUID=6811b54b-2b62-4ce2-b034-8b01ee10e605 splash=silent vga=794 initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd-2.6.24.7-desktop-1mnb.img title Mandriva-2009 kernel (hd1,0)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-desktop-0.rc8.2mnb BOOT_IMAGE=Mandriva-2009 root=UUID=457ccdd2-0479-41dc-9d40-7602a7cbfaf7 splash=silent vga=775 initrd (hd1,0)/boot/initrd-2.6.27-desktop-0.rc8.2mnb.img title failsafe kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz BOOT_IMAGE=failsafe root=UUID=6811b54b-2b62-4ce2-b034-8b01ee10e605 failsafe noapic nolapic acpi=ht initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd.img title memtest-2.01 kernel (hd0,0)/boot/memtest-2.01.bin BOOT_IMAGE=memtest-2.01 noapic nolapic splash=silent acpi=ht It looks normal to me but you may spot something. John.

Hello Adam. When Grub opens and one selects the OS or whatever one wants. The boot up used to have a background image and a progress bar appear right up until the Log in screen. As I understand it, splash=silent is what enables this to happen. Also I understand that selecting splash-verbose means that instead of the background pic and progress bar you get a full text run up. No matter what I select regarding splash=silent, I always get a full text bootup. As you can see in my previous post, I have tried all the text formats listed in MCC....Boot.....Advanced and the problem (well not a real problem in the important category) remains unaltered. The Grub Graphic mode itself is AOK.I am also aware that during the boot-up, that if an error occurs then the silent mode is over-ridden but there is no indication of any kind that there is any error nor is there any Failed ( usually shown in Red ) showing at anytime. I hope you might have a suggestion or two. Cheers. John. Tyme, your comment is expressing what I am suspecting is the case. JB.

A follow up. Tried the 800x600= large text...no silent 600x400= large text Seems same as 800x600...no silent 1600x1200= large text. Obviously does not register...no silent 1024x768= small text...no silent 1280x1024= smallest text...still no silent I am leaving it on 1280x1024. I should also mention that the 24" monitor is wide screen 1920x1200 which is not the same ratio as all the above. I wonder if that has anything to do with it ???. I don't remember the previous 20" lcd Monitor which was 1600x1200 giving me this trouble with 2008-Spring. Cheers. John.

Correct, remember that I do not have it set at 800x600, I have it set at 1280x1024 to reduce the size of the text. It may be that the ability to select other than 800x600 is automatically triggering the verbose mode and thus making the Silent mode totally useless. Might as well not offer the Silent option if it is only usable in the default 800x600 format. Cheers. John.

Thanks Arctc. Just tried that but made no difference so have reset it back to silent. I have been wondering if it has anything to do with the text format size. eg. 800x600 as compared with the 1280x1024 I select since I am using a 24" LCD Monitor. Again, any ideas from anyone, perhaps Adam ???. :) Cheers. John.

In 2009 (kde3) I was getting it also until I successfully installed the Proprietary Nvidia driver. Then the splash screen was at last silent but the screen has an ugly pixelated colouring in which the colouring is in bands instead of proper vertical gradient, which is OK since it doesn't effect anything important.. Cheers. John.

I agree with FFI. You need to select Start with an empty session. Cheers. John.

In 2008-Spring from day one, the Slash Screen has always been selected as Splash=Silent. Been the same over all 8 or 9, or more, reinstalls. No error messages come up and in the text splash screen that runs, there are no Red colour Failed indications that normally would trigger a text splash whenever they occurred in earlier Mandriva versions. Any ideas anyone ???. It's not a big issue but there must be some reason for it and I would hope to find out what it is. Cheers. John.

I notice no one mentions Epson. I have used Epson for years and have never been disappointed or unable to easily install them, Scanners, Printers or All-in-One. I use both individual Scanners and Printers but have installed AIOs on two different familys PCs, both using Mandriva. No drama and no problems. You would be better off using separate Scanner and Printer in light of you mentioning that you will use the printer only rarely. This is because of the fact that rare use actually contributes to early failure due to the fact that the print heads rapidly clog up due to the ink drying out in them. The built in head cleaning facility does not overcome this problem unless it is done on a regular basis as if one actually printed on a regular base. Printers that are used regularly actually do last a very long time contrary to popular belief. Scanners generally have an even longer life due to less critical parts and little use over time but are not at a disadvantage for being little used. Cheers. John.

Another idea to try is Component Chooser instead of File Associations. John.

Try opening KDE Control Centre (I presume you are using KDE. If using Gnome then I can't help you with any idea). Go into KDE Components and then File Associations and see if what you want to do is in there. It may be a start for you. Cheers. John.

The changing of appearance settings is one of the reasons I detest KDE4. They have mostly been removed except for prearranged themes and appearance settings. The main thing about plasma and plasmoids is that they totally control your desktop. You don't and can't. Sure you can change a lot of settings but only about a fifth of what you used to be able to change. That overwhelming ability to change personal settings in KDE was what attracted me to KDE in the first place. The KDE4 team seem to have done their level best to do away with most of that ability. Just one Example ....In KDE3 I have 6 desktops.The backgrounds on each desktop has it own set of slideshow pics that are set to change each pic at 5 minute ( or what ever time I want) intervals and set at random. In KDE4 I cannot do this. Only one picture and for all desktops. Sure you can add Picture Frame Widgets and have a different slide show in each of any number of frames you install but when you change desktops you find all desktops are the same so in reality they are not independent desktops at all as they are in KDE3. I think this is the same team that is talking about or maybe already working on a KDE release for Windows. :wall: I hope some one can confirm or correct me on this particular point. If I am incorrect I will happily stand corrected. I could go on but I won't so as not to continue ranting on again. If KDE4 prevails in the future 2009-Spring in much the same way as it is presently, no matter how many bugs are fixed, then I too will be going Gnome if KDE3 isn't forked and continued. Wake up Mandriva and other Linux OSs. You don't need KDE4, the KDE4 crowd needs you. Cheers. John.

If you have KDE4 installed as original then when you install the KDE3 stuff it is basically pushed back by the KDE4 setup so often you cannot get KDE3 stuff to run at all and if it does run it runs badly. I am so disgusted with KDE4 that I now try to not talk about it because I get so ropeable about it and people can do without rants. In the future and in a calmer state of mind I may air my experiences of it. Cheers. John.

I reinstalled 2009 to Gnome then installed kde3 packages and have it running now. Just tried the kdesu konqueror and it worked quite normally. The kde4 wouldn't work. Cheers. John.

Greg, you could be right. I am using 2008-Spring and haven't been back into 2009 for a while. I will check out your point when I go back into it. Reiver, I think you probably have a good point there. Would be hard to imagine anything worse. :D Thanks and cheers. John.

Yes but the Google search engine works as a true search engine plus Google make their money from advertising. Ask does not seem to operate as a true search engine, just a way of pulling up webpages for its clients. That is a huge difference. The Mandriva bug and security fixes for Firefox are delivered just as quick. By all means do it your way but you are really just wasting your time and since it is your time then that is your choice. Cheers. John.