Gowator

Aussie John....

HURRAY..... Im sure that will help a LOT of people...

Gowater. I've always been more on the stability side than the bleeding edge. That's why I can handle Debian's older packages. If i need something recent I can find it and install it or upgrade it. But being on a lowly dailup it's painful to do a net install, or upgrade. And I'm not big on upgrades on my main system. I usually like to test distros out on my laptop (A toshiba 4080xcdt) with a backup hard drive. If it works on that it'll work on my other systems. So it works for me to have the acutal cd's. And I usually only go with stable cd's not testing. I didn't even get my Mandriva 2006 cd's until March.

cage47 ... I would put it this way .... I wouldn't except in extreme circumstances run stable just for stability... (by extreme I mean server :D or really critical ) because unstable/testing is pretty damned stable... certainly IMHO as stable as any mandriva in recent years...

HOWEVER your assertion about dial-up is a very good reason IMHO. Updates for stable are very few and usually only security so if bandwidth is a problem your pretty much assured very few needed downloads.

I spent 6 months or more with no phone at all a few years back (whereas I now have a 22Mbit dload) an dit makes a hige difference :D

Ianw is correct, its usually the mount point (the place you create to mount) OR the mount permissions of the mount that cause problems for this... or even mounting ro by default etc. however since you want to do this from the CLI and since sooner or later its going to be useful for you...

https://mandrivausers.org/index.php?s=&...st&p=120271

For the GUI you can also use krusador which is a beefed up konqueror .. the nice thing is it has a root mode you can just switch into at any point and just as importantly back to usermode.. and has a load of utilities like mounting and disk usage and edit as root which fires up an editor as root... on a selected file according to its type (i.e. text, zip, etc.)

Its not an app to replace konqeror IMHO... since its so much more powerful at file management, its more of an app to fire up when you are doing nitty gritty stuff... or certain things where you don't want your user to have permissions ... for instance when I edit my web server I don't like having to switch permissions or giving my user permissions .. sooner or later you forget and end up leaving a configuration.php open etc. so its ideal for these types of things...

Equally you can make a kdesu konqueror in your menu...

finally a nice feature in konq is it accepts the man:/ protocol so you can type

man:/ chmod and it gives you the man page for chmod :D

hope any or all of this helps....

Ive seen an apple core dump,

Ive seen the enterprise core dump...

But I never saw OpenOffice Core Dump ...

together everyone ...

(sorry Paul)

Just checking.. your not running x as root are you? :unsure:

Just to make a clarification (I know Gowator knows this): the X process always runs as root, what he's asking is if you log into the DE as root (I think).

That would be it ;)

If anyones wondering why Im asking...

The user process shouldn't be able to crash X... so this leads me to think the problem is something like if composite was enabled (which it isn't since )

Section "Extensions"

EndSection

but similarly anything done as 3D has the same potential... its directly accessing the hardware through modules which are loaded as root... since as tyme says, the dm always runs as root... (well theoretically I guess it doesn't need to .. since you can run X as user space (like starting X from CLI with startx)

i.e.

root 21762 21760 0 Oct31 tty7 00:09:24 /usr/bin/X -br -dpi 100 -br :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-vpZbn9

(note this is not 100% standard I allow listening on TCP...at my own risk)

However if you are logged in as root then all your processes are runing as root... (as has been thrashed to death elsewhere) so basically any application can crash X... if badly coded.

So basically only a module loaded as root (like the ati driver or DRI etc.) has permission to crash X if you log in as a user..... but of your logged in as root then all bets are off as it were...

I don't see anything that indicates a source of your problem....the only oddities I see are:

Option "MonitorLayout" "LVDS,NONE"

Option "XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps" "1"

I've never seen these options before...so I'm not sure what their purpose is. I guess the second has to do with XGL/Compiz or some other 3ddesktop deal - the first I believe is usually used for using two monitors. Technically, neither should cause the problem you're having.

 

Do you have a hostname set for your system or is it just set to localhost? What's in your /etc/hostname file?

Im not an ATI user so like tyme not sure exactly what these do....

However I suspect the same thing I guess which is something in the compwiz/XGL...

so perhaps you might find something in the /var/log/Xorg0.log file?

I can restart X with "startx" but this is highly suboptimal. When I did this as a normal user the keyboard was disabled which made work impossible.

That sucks... what desktop (KDE?) might be that the keyboard mod in KDE is confliciting with the xkeyboard settings? But anyways, next time it happens Im presuming its killing the login manager too .. weird ... but have a quick ps -ef and see if your user still has any running processes....

Just checking.. your not running x as root are you? :unsure:

Would like to vote, but I honestly havn't tried Mandriva 2007 yet.

I tried it with a vmware session ... but with all the problems Ive seen here I can't go above just about OK...

even that's a push... the basic gripe being a screwed URMPI and all the previously supported hardware that no longer works... its hard to say which of these is most serious... I guess if your HW works then its not an issue? until the next release when perhaps it doesn't?

Sound like a commercial,,, Time to fast forward.

Well he makes some decent points but what he seems to have missed out on is....

Erm well... yep urmpi sure does benfit from a fat pipe ... sure... as do security updates but then I guess if your running X as root security is hardly your first concern ;)

Secondly .. well fine why would I trust MYAH? what can the do to convince me they even know what security is ...

myah.org - Home

Mambo - the dynamic portal engine and content management system.

Hm... yep a default install Mambo site... heck the meta tag can be changed through the backend .. just select the template and edit_html...

Like some wag once said "Linux needs a haircut, a clean shirt & decent shoes, before the business community takes it seriously" Now theres MYAH - be afraid - be very afraid - Jeremiah just bought an Armani Suit!!

He may have spent his time better actually editing a bit of html?

But the real point is if what you want are the pre-installed apps then fine... if not then hmm... what's it based on? Slackware with its dependency resolution? Nothing against this of course but ?? Isn't that a bit of a jump going from All packages preinstalled to "your on your own here" slackware tgz's?

The real biggie with Linux is that there are more distros & packages & dependencies than ice-cream flavors.

Sure and it needs another like a hole in the head... ??

We already have one Slackware based distro where everything works.(well so long as its part of the default install).. look no further than Suse but perhaps Jeramiah is afraid he needs to wear lederhosen if he uses a German distro?

and they got over the slackware tgz... sure they selected RPM ... hardly the best choice but a step above tgz's forr n00bs.

Ayt the same time he makes some decent points .. the hardware working_notworking_working releases of Mandriva are hardly a shining example... but is that cause to make a brand new distro by putting the slackware flavour ina different cone?

If you have a /etc/httpd then put that as the conf location BUT THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS EXECUTABLE PATH

FOR INSTANCE (and don't blindly copy this its for a different distro and mandriva fsck's about with a lof of applications)

Direct from my webmin

Apache server root directory = /etc/apache2

Path to httpd executable = /usr/sbin/apache2

Command to start apache = /etc/init.d/apache2 start

Command to stop apache = /etc/init.d/apache2 stop

Path to httpd.conf or apache2.conf = /etc/apache2/httpd.conf

BUT YOU MUST CHECK THESE FILES EXIST....

You still have not answered any of the questions ianw or I have asked....

Just type

which apache2ctl

and

which apachectl

and POST THE RESULTS

I don't know if ianw's patience is running out but mine is... UNTIL YOU DO THIS IM NOT WASTING ANY MORE TIME ON IT.

We are not psychic.... If you don't understand ASK...

Then if apache2ctl EXISTS you can stick for instance

Command to start apache = /usr/sbin/apache2ctl start

or

IF /etc/init.d/apache EXISTS

You can put

Command to start apache = /etc/init.d/apache start

BUT YOU MUST CHECK THESE FILES EXIST AND PREFERABLY WORK....

EG

if apache2ctl exists then type

apache2ctl

# apache2ctl

Usage: /usr/sbin/apache2 [-D name] [-d directory] [-f file]

[-C "directive"] [-c "directive"]

[-k start|restart|graceful|stop]

[-v] [-V] [-h] [-l] [-L] [-t] [-S]

Options:

-D name : define a name for use in <IfDefine name> directives

-d directory : specify an alternate initial ServerRoot

-f file : specify an alternate ServerConfigFile

-C "directive" : process directive before reading config files

-c "directive" : process directive after reading config files

-e level : show startup errors of level (see LogLevel)

-E file : log startup errors to file

-v : show version number

-V : show compile settings

-h : list available command line options (this page)

-l : list compiled in modules

-L : list available configuration directives

-t -D DUMP_VHOSTS : show parsed settings (currently only vhost settings)

-S : a synonym for -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS

-t : run syntax check for config files

This is what happens when I type it....

So if as a non privelidged user I type what it tells me

apache2ctl start

$ apache2ctl start

(13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80

no listening sockets available, shutting down

Unable to open logs

Don't panick.... THIS IS NORMAL because I set it up so only a single non priv user can start it.... but this is OK because the scripts in webmin take care of this once its set-up BUT I now know the correct name to put in the config box.

This is exactly what I did to configure mine.... after the intial .. Why isn't it working I tried finding the paths.

Hello Gowater.

 

Nothing comes after that point. It just stays there. I have left it for as long as half an hour.

 

Cheers and thanks for still taking an interest and making suggestions ( thanks to all others as well). John

:D

What Im thinking though is sometimes the last message you see is not the one causing the problem..especially with modules loading because sometimes they freeze the system before it puts them on the screen or even the /var/log/messages...

So if you check your /etc/rc.d directories and work out what the last thing on the screen is then check what starts next you can just comment it out (just rename S_ to anything except K_ ) and give it a try?

Well the .conf file is the configuration file.

As I said: Path to httpd executable=/usr/sbin/apache2 (or similar)

 

i cannot find that folder.

local@Kanotix32:~$ which apache

local@Kanotix32:~$ which apache2

/usr/sbin/apache2

hence apache2 is installed and the exectutable is /usr/sbin/apache2 (on Debian)

Mandriva may well call it something else, that is the executable might be something else

You can also try

local@Kanotix32:~$ which apache2ctl

/usr/sbin/apache2ctl

local@Kanotix32:~$ which apachectl

local@Kanotix32:~$

So as you see apache2ctl is installed but not apachectl...

config wise there is really not much difference in apache and apache2 hence webmin handles them both as apache BUT all its defaults are set for apache NOT apache2

You can also go to the package manager and see files ... it will show where all the files were installed

If you open webmin at the same time you can cut and paste.

This obviously isn't going anywhere in English.

What is your preferred language?

All the file i can see are refering to apache 1, is that normal, there are no mention of apache 2.

The webmin for apache is configured for apache not apache2

If that is not clear

The default configuration for the webmin module for apache is configured for apache2 not apache

i found the httpd.conf but when i put it in the path to httpd executable, it tells me :

Well the .conf file is the configuration file.

As I said: Path to httpd executable=/usr/sbin/apache2 (or similar)

is that normal ?

somehow i cannot find any apache2 in my rpm installed. how can i figure out which version of apache is running on my machine ?

As ianw says...

From speaking with someone in the #mandriva chat room, it seems that the problem is that the driver spca5xx doesn't work with the current kernel, and the replacement driver gspcav1 which is supposed to work, doesn't. Seems there is nothing that can be done at the moment, except to stay on 2006.

I hadn't realised or I would have answered earlier that the spca5xx is an opensource driver.

Hence you should be able to recompile it if you can find the EXACT kernel source used by Mandriva....

In my experience finding the latter is the hardest....

since for some reason mandriva always seem to provide source and .config that are almost but not quite the same as they use for the kernel rpm?

So I found the best way is to actually make a new mandriva kernel from THEIR source RPM which ends up not being the same as the one it should be.. so you need to redo all modules and nvidia etc. + vmware etc.

Perhaps a lot of work for nothing? unless you specifically want 2007???

Haven't installed 9i on Mnadriva specifically but my experiecne is that the hardest part is getting the java installer to work...

Interestingly that was the reason I originally switched to Mandrake 7 however if you can live with out the GUI part you can install it manually anyway....

Apart from devel and testing I can't see any reason you even want X on the server .. let alone jvm....but who would run X on a production box?

Weird....

Anyway, if you get the java installer working then its very easy... I had more probs getting the installer working than actually configuring and installing Oracle...

However I have installed 8i and 9i on previous mandrake's so I don't see why not 2006 and or 2007

just can't say 100% cos I haven't done it...on that specific release of mandr*

It could also be some screwy power management....

Start off as ffi says, its the #1 and easiest and if its a bad burn or bad download then whatever you do it wonj't work properly

You can check the MD5 sum for the download and burn and this should verify or not the CD.

Have you looked what comes next i the boot sequence after the DISABLE IRQ stuff?

I wonder if its something that they compiled a module in but its also trying to load as a module?

My laptop used to do a similar thing with some mandriva kernels and disabling PCMCIA as a module worked because it was also already loaded in the kernel? (wrong PCMCIA module as I remember, ie it was for a diferrent chipset)

Could be something similar.. from the looks of it its still in the 'kernel interacting with BIOS phase' and loading HW (as you suspected) ??

If you don't wanna do it from the CLI then mysql-admin does it from the GUI as does webmin.

Haven't used phpmy admin but perhaps its under a different category than ou expect?

Either way change it quick!

mysqladmin -p root password <new-password>

(ps. didn't try that but it should work)

I think it all proves my ponit (well it's not my point but I agree with it). 8-10 years ago SGI was a profitable company a leader in high-end computer graphics. They should have started to make cheap consumer products (yeah it's easy to be smart now) this is what Apple is doing now. They had the know-how, an engeneering team and money to make it.

Im not sure they did ... by which I mean they did of course have great engineers, they just didn't have the engineers to make cheap computer electronics.

Every SGI office I have been to has been full of really brainy people, most of whom don't give a toot about material stuff... and totally lack any "marketing" because they simply didn't need marketing ... if you wanted to run huge 3D visualisations you pretty much had to have a SGI.

Don't get me wrong Im sure these guys loved working with the toys they got... and I'd be willing to bet that's why they bought Cray... not so much for any rational reason so much as a few engineers saying "Whoah man that's cool" , lets buy Cray and we can play with supercomputers.

I think this more than anything put a death knell to their finances... especially since the SGI CPU's were and still are more or less the worst fpu performance per buck (even less than AMD or Intel)

If you compare fp perf then IBM are way way ahead.... then Sun anbd trailing at the back SGI.

If you compare graphics perf then its the inverse, SGI way ahead and Sun in the middle again and IBM looking worse than Wintel

A rather intresting factoid is that ATI were involved in all this, the Sun U5 and U10's Elite 3D being basically just a modified ATI ... and the Elite6 being a beefed up ATI and these are dirt cheap machines by Sun standards. A decent beefed up U10 5 yrs ago was probably about similar as a decent but not high end Intel machine right now using cheap off the shelf parts like IDE disks and the ATI graphics just on a real motherboard instead of the Intel/AMD unswitched (much cheaper) design. (64 bit arch, etc.) ...

But budget machines were just never in SGI's sphere of interest... and I would guess many of the best engineers would have left if the company started selling consumer stuff and gone on to design rockets or something.

Unlike many garage companies they shouldn't have to start from zero everything. OpenGL could be the leading graphics library. If they really start to make video chips\cards they have to fight with DirectX which everybody are using now.

Conclusion: no matter how first clas is what you are developing you have to sell it too.

Yep .. can't disagree but I just don't think that was the mentality in SGI....Its like the guys probably worked overtime everyday, loved their jobs etc. but getting them to think commercially ??

That would do the trick but in general I think its easier if the router allows it to just use a DMZ for the linux machine ... and NAT in the router (this is the same as ianw suggests except your offloading the NAT to the router)

Your IP add will still be a RFC non routable add (192. ,172. or 10. ) but the NAT will take care of that so that if you type your EXTERNAL ip it will take you to the box...

You can even give yourself a domain name using dyndns.org or similar.

The advantage of this is if you play about with the linux box you don't prevent access to the internet from other boxes... and its easier to know where the problem is...

yeah, this is the weird thing since the other day event1 was the built-in while event3 was the usb kb. last night the numbers were decreased by 1 which is why the event numbers is different on my first config post. and i used cat instead of tail. :)

 

ciao!

Ouch.. sounds like the catis chasing its tail :D

I guess we need to figure out how the events are allocated in bootup.... and then they can be aliased to always be the same...probably just in the modules.conf

You just need to configure the module

To do this you need the information like

ServerRoot, DocumentRoot and the position of apache2.conf etc. + apache2ctl

All of this should be in the apache2.conf file ... just open with a text editor and use search the you can copy/paste into the webmin configure modules for apache.

Here is what works as a minimum for me in a debian installed apache2 (everything else is defaults)

Apache server root directory=/etc/apache2

Path to httpd executable=/usr/sbin/apache2

Command to start apache = /etc/init.d/apache2 start

Command to stop apache = /etc/init.d/apache2 stop

Path to httpd.conf or apache2.conf= /etc/apache2/httpd.conf

NOTE THIS IS NOT MANDRIVA .. you need to locate those files or equivalents since the path might be different .... once you have this set you can configure the rest using webmin.

AS Yves says the MBR is over written with the boot loader....

Since you have partition magic the easiest way to restore is probably just using boot manager which comes with partition manager as I remember.

You can also boot from a Windows install CD or bootable floppy and use

FDISK /MBR

this restores a windows boot partition...

After everything they've gone through, am hoping they make the come-back. Seems they've had really bad luck, considering a lot of it seems to be down to one person!

I heard an interesting opinion about this. Ten or more years ago SGI machines already knew what recent computers know today in graphics but of course for a way more money. If they choose to make video chips instead of sticking with high-end servers and their own version of UNIX, no matter how good they were, maybe we would know them as a market leader instead of a company which nearly went bankrupt. So much about their bad luck, they just made a wrong decision and they paid for it dearly.

The thing is that those graphics subsystems only worked on high end specific architecture. I worked with them and they were awesome .. really awesome but no market existed outside of scientific or military ..

If you actually look back then there were hundreds (literally) of PC graphics card makers at the time ... since mostly gobbled up by NVIDIA and ATI ... in most cases simply to eliminate competition and/or gain IP.

Put simply, what did Nvidia or ATI ever invent? (Im sure they did a few things but mostly they aquired)

SGI on the other hand was innovative and into research... and since the machines were mainly used by people in research this was a nice combo. Pretty much the SGI's were to research establishments what Mac's were to design studios although like Mac (and unlike IBM) they also managed to make the things look pretty.

I'll paste some tyme in now because those are some good points....

# Gain funds from it (why thank you, captain obvious!). This isn't necessarily a bad thing, if patents were infringed upon then they should be compensated.

Pretty much capt'n ... I don't think SGI ever really worried about patents or enforcing them because they were always so far ahead on the curve.

I think the way I realised this was visiting the offices ....

Sun offices are easily recognisable .. the mix of performance cars in the car park is the first clue whereas SGI car parks tended to be rare speciality cars or vintage etc. IBM offices are usually high rise and have underground parking but IBM seem to choose UGLY buildings in concrete and the cars are all mainstream, boring and gray.

Sun devels and workers wear Ralph Lauren or armani 'jeans' .... SGI could be almost anyrhing above the sandles and of course IBM is gray suits.

If you haven't noticed by now i have a certain fondness for the SGI's :D

You could take a sun box and stick it in your living room indeed you could stick it on your shelf with the stereo next to the Tv and it wouldn't look outa place... an IBM you need to hide in a TV cupbaord or something, $DEITY those things are UGLY.... (I know I already said that but they are really really ugly)

Take an SGI and stick it next to the stereo, heck THROW OUT THE TV its a piece of art.

Anyway, in summary,,, I don't think the be-sandled woolly tree hugging SGI people ever gave a toot about people stealing IP. Remember they were one of the first to support OpenSource .. way before IBM ... and GIVE AWAY OpenGL.... really IMHO the biggest contribution to desktop linux is OpenGL... this is what seperates the mandrake7 desktop days from today more than anything....

2. Use those funds to get themselves back into business (oh, really??).

3. Take ATI out of the graphics card race (depending on the resulting settlement if SGI wins this case).

 

With SGI's background with NVIDIA, they probably won't take on NVIDIA in a court case again. However, if they take ATI out of the race the essentially open up a slot for themselves - they could slither their way in there if they wanted to get back into the GPU market. Maybe not, it's just a wild thought really wink.gif - but why that would be interesting is because of SGI's involvement in OpenGL (it used to be IrisGL). And with OpenGL's recent moves forward (it was stagnant for a while there) having a major OpenGL player in the GPU business could create some interesting developments.

Yep I m wondering if this isn't a Apple style turnaround or trying to be.

Today almost noone hasn't heard of an iPod... although there are some folks in the Kalahari desert apparently ... but pre iPod far fewer people really knew who apple were.

Apple has become an appliance company but equally they have also branched into servers ....

Perhaps this is the idea of SGI? Sell GPU's as an appliance name while propping up the rest of the business?

I'm now looking forward to Etch coming out.

Why don't you give it a try right now? It is imho rockin' stable already. I haven't encountered even one problem in Etch/testing yet.;)

Its pretty rare .... sometimes strange apps have deps that won't resolve but we are talking outside of the official repositories (some GIS SW called thubar is giving me a headache and it looks like I will have to compile from source) but for "normal" packages no problems more or less ever.

I agree with Gowater. This just seems to be an ongoing, continuing problem with Mandr..whatever. Now I have been a Mandrake evagelist since 7.0. My first. And I converted a couple people on different versions. But I feel 10.0 was the last version I trusted. Granted it had issues with the printer driver for my Laserjet 5 but I could work around it.

I underlined when because its a bit of a two parter.... that is it might work on one version and then stop... something I never saw on Debian ever. (Excepting very strange arches like SPARC->USPARCII which is basically a 32-64 bit change....)

The only problems with unstable/testing are sometimes not all deps are released at once or noted.

The most common is upgrading KDE components .. some library gets upgraded then something usually stops working, if your confident at sorting this sort of thing out (open a different WM) and upgrade all KDE or lock the lib into the old version for a few days (literally, it can be a day or perhaps 3) while the rest filters through then go for it.

Im using a mix of testing and unstable ... 99% unstable but I have perhaps 3-4 pinned packages

My GF had Mandriva 10 and when her PC wouldn't work with 10.1 (or was it 10.2) I installed Debian and the same install is running in current testing/unstable today... after several dist-upgrades. The only thing ever broken was the scanner support... I needed the scanner and its in her room so I just used the live CD... after I did what I needed I just dist-upgraded and it worked after a reboot into the new kernel...

Again the machines are rarely rebooted ... only for kernel upgrades and vacations (though the server keeps running 24x7x365 and the only time its been rebooted is for phyicially cleaning the machine fans out

Like cage47 I was a Mandr* evangelist and converted a lot of people and this inconsistency of HW support is what stopped me. On more than one occaision i had to mess about just trying to keep mandriva current ..

especially over releases ... and its embarassing (to say the least )when you simply can't get the current distro release to work with their hardware when the last one did.

Again I never had this with Debian and I can install a mixed testing/unstable in 12 minutes on a fast PC and 30 on a slow one...(using kanotix) which Im not saying is the best way to install but for instance installing on my GF's fathers PC it meant I could install in about 15 mins and be able to show him the basics while its installing. We are talking someone here who's computer literacy is on a level to find * for dummies as imposing reads... and yet he has had zero probs (excepting running the PC in 45C in the heatwave, heck it was a €200 PC, i was in Italy and we still fixed it ... just take the case off and put a fan blowing on it)

Actually it was a bit like the classic power cut BOFH type thing... it was a lot cooler in Rome at the time and when he told me he couldn't go crawling under the tables since it was 45C I almost split my sides

What's the sad thing?

Well I guess its <<Le marketing>> (the french don't actually have a word for marketing and mandriva illustrate this all to well)

Mandriva attract n00bs and then when the n00bs need to upgrade they are no longer n00bs so when the next version just doesn't work you need to be a dedicated Mandr* user to stick at it.

Like cage47 I started with Mandrake 7 (switching from RH) and through to 9.x everything was fine.

Then when it got so I couldn't upgrade on some comps I just stopped usig mandriva as a "primary distro".

By primary distro I mean I don't have windows ... I *need* my linux to work ... if it doesn't work then I can't work .. I don't dual boot into Windows or even have windows except as a vmware session for OCR...

The webmin for apache is configured for apache not apache2 but its fairly easy to configure by changing the directory names and config files....in the configure module part for apache.

The most important part is the /etc/apache2/ directory since otherwise its looking in /etc/apache or /etc/http etc. once you get the basics working you can set the log files etc.

Look into Webalizer or similar to make reports based on your log files (once its all working)