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http://www.tuxreports.com/index.php?module...owcontent&id=30 http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973...,1134574,00.asp Looks like there getting some Good reviews. I still wont try it, but it's good to get windows users over to Linux some how.

Thanks Tyme, I was only kidding. I should of put the little "j/k" afterwards. I actually think Gore is a pretty decent guy for being a Democrat! No, let's not start a political war. I found him to be just different than Billy boy. In a good way.

Well that's a fine how do you do, I just been talking with the Linux Manager about the pilot program and there testing. SuSE - Mainframe zLinux SuSE & Redhat - Desktp & Midrange servers. SuSE was my main distro of choice for a couple of years and I know it better than the others. To SuSE or not to SuSE, to RH or not to RH. That is the question. I hate the INTERNET, this stupid device Al Gore created has me changing my mind to much. Can I ban the internet? Ok, I'm getting a little screwy!

erm.....fuzzy logic, but sure...ok.... :huh: Hey, I'm all about the fuzzy logic!

That's why I brought it up, it can make a big impact on a desicion to use a distro. :P

That was a low blow, but someone had to say it. 8)

I went back to RH 9 yesterday after a week of Gentoo AGAIN. I just didn't see any reason to play with Gentoo when RH 9 just works and I'm starting a pilot program at work for RH too. Like it has been mentioned, I didn't see a big difference in speed. Gentoo is a fun distro and nice to play with, it would also be good for regular use, but I just have more reasons to use RH anymore. As far as your question "something it does that mdk doesn't" Here is one answer: Linux software vendor Red Hat Inc. today announced revenue of $27.2 million for the first quarter of fiscal 2004, up 5% from the previous quarter and 39% higher than in the same period one year ago. http://www.madpenguin.org/article.php?sid=...=thread&order=0 I'm sure you know how MDK is doing. Also, RH has a lot of repositroys for apt-get on the software side.

Currently use Gentoo on my main system, not so bloated and pretty fast. RH 9 on two other box's (mainly for work) to learn as much about how RH does linux. I also run Debian and Solaris on a sparc box, Solaris is another to learn everything about for work deal (plus it is nice). I have an HP workstation at home I forgot about, I put it in my basement so I wouldn't be tempted to Learn HP-UX before I get everything about Solaris down. That's kind of funny, I completely forgot about that box, thanks now I'm going to be tempted again Anyway, I also run FreeBSD & Solaris x86 under VmWare just to play around. Pluse Solaris x86 is nice to play with to learn more about Solaris.

You are all correct, sorry I didn't mean to be so negative. In fact I went back to Gentoo, just to keep my system lean and mean. I had it up and running with Gnome, mozilla, gftp, xmms and some other stuff in about 12 hours from stage 1. So it wasn't that bad. I think I installed it so many times in the past, it was all in my head for the most part. When I initally started this, I wasn't trying to imply that I was a noob. I've been using Linux for 4-5 years and it has been my main OS for the last 2 years, so I do understand Linux pretty good. I think I really should have put in the title. "Should I learn everything there is to know about RedHat" since most of Corprate America uses it. The company I work with is starting to run some pilot programs with it to see how well it will work. So instead of moving over to a Solaris SA ( currently I install Solaris OS and hardware) I thought about also learning everything about RH and maybe doing the RHCE so I would be MORE qualified if they open a RH SA position. Linux was my First OS love, Solaris second. The company I work for employe's about 80K people and is I believe the 3 Largets Telcom in USA. So they use a lot of Solaris, HP and IBM systems ( I mean thousands ) . Some of the coolest systems I have ever got to work on. In closing to my rambling giberesh. Sorry if I spoke harshly about any Linux, or there little clicks. Most Linux Distro's have some GREAT quality's! Debian is awesome to work with and keep updated. (I'm still running a Sparc box with it on it.) Libranet is also fun to work with. Gentoo is awesome/fun to work on & update. Slackware is a little more tidious, but none the less, about as stable & secure as you can get. RH is a nice out of the box give me some good Open Source stuff distro that is easy to update. A lot of company's use it and they do give back quite a bit to the community. ( I think they hose up there kernel quite a bit) still runs solid but hard to patch up THERE kernel. SuSE/Mandrake are also fully bloated just like RH ( I mean Loaded) :lol: , Mandrake puts me off a little with the money troubles. SuSE has a lot of big things coming down and I see a lot of buisness moving to them with there different Server lines and Desktop additions. My selfish side doesn't care for the fact you can't Beta test or Download for free until about a month after wards. (Not so Open) Over the years thow, I have used SuSE more than any of the others and it is Solid. I also wonder how much an American Company would go with a German product? Some company's are like that, that brings politics into the forum and most people probably don't want that. Arch & LFS look to have some good things going for them, but I haven't had a chance to do them. I was going to do Arch last weekend, but I know I could get Gentoo up and running without a problem. So I will probably give AL a go through VmWare. If I missed some one's Distro out there, sorry those "I feel" are about as "Good as it Gets". IF you like something different, GREAT ( just don't say Windows) Anyway, I will probably stick with Gentoo on my main box at home with a slow box running RH, and Solaris & Debian (really impressed with how it runs on sparc) running on my Sparc box. And run everything else through VmWare. And I alway's have 6 box's at work to play with, for HP-UX, Solaris, RH and the dreaded Windows. 8) to learn from too. Take care. You PEOPLE are awesome!

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Thanks, that make's sense. I really didn't put to much thought into it. I just thought it was a new config file and you wanted to replace the old with it. I didn't realize that you should go in and change settings. So your saying when you run etc-update and it give's you a list, open up to more xterms and vi the old and new and see what changed? That makes sense, unless I'm wrong :P Thanks for the clear up.

I know that etc-update messed up about 3 or 4 machines in the past and that's when I got tired of it and left the scene. It was like a hit in run. I had it happen on 2 machines at the same exact time. Next time I will go throught 20-40 questions and read very carefully what they are going to do.

Well, I moved back to Gentoo. I had it up & running in Gnome in under 12 hours starting from Stage 1. I forgot to put MTTR in the kernel so I wasn't able to get Nvidia going this morning so I left the kernel compiling when I left for work. I also left with emergeing Mozilla, Gftp & Xscreensaver to finish up when I get home from lunch. I just left the CFlags as: CFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops That's what I used in the past and didn't have a problem. I haven't had time to look yet, but is there some info on etc-update in there doc's? That's a place I feel killed my systems in the past because of poor Admin Decisions.

In the past I used gentoo-sources, except for a laptop that only like vanilla, anyway. does anyone use the gaming-sources? Good/bad?

Can some one tell me what the following MIGHT do and what might break or were I can fine descriptions? Would it be on gcc's home page? In the past I used the following and didn't seem to have any problems: CFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -m3dnow -msse -mfpmath=sse -mmmx -O3 -pipe -fforce-addr -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops What is the rest ?

Well, I think I've installed just about all of them but Arch, SourceMarge & Crux. The only one's I've truley had fun with were Libranet 2.8 & Gentoo & a little bit of Slack. I keep meaning to stick with one and just use VmWare to play with the rest. Maybe I'll do that with Gentoo, then I will give arch a shot through VmWare to see if it will work, I'll just have to figure out what modules vmware uses to do that one. I've been to a lot of forums and this is just about the BEST one & Linuxiso.org with friendliness & libranet. Slack, Debian & Gentoo all have there band of peole that just want to tell you shut up and go away. Which is quite a shock sometimes. I like to help people and if I can find figure it out through man <filename> or google I don't mind posting a question and saying hey WHAT UP with this? Without getting back lashed at. While I'm no Guru, I've been using Linux for 4-5 years and Solaris for the last couple, so I'm not in idiot and I don't care much when people make some childishess rant's about posts. Of course I'm probably guilty about the childish part, but I will atleast try and help people. Anyway, I'm glad to be a part of such a GOOD comunity with top notch GEEKS :P That's a good thing in my book so please don't take offense to it and if you do, RTM or the info, don't member which on it is in! I just realized this has 64 replies to it, I hope nobody new reads it from start to finish, they might get lost.

I totally agree with you, Gentoo doesn't have all the handy dandy Config tools like RH/MD/Suse from that point you are absolutly correct. With Gentoo I remember getting my TV card to work. First time I ever had to figure what went into the kernel without breaking it. All others didn't it for me. You know I'm getting so board since I went back to RH, I think I might go home for lunch and put gentoo back on! You've sparked my interest in it again. The thing I ran into was when I did the /etc/ update or what ever it was called, i didn't alway's read CAREFULLY enough and crooked my system. A couple of times I fixed it, a couple time I got tired and BLEW it away. Anyway, instead of me making bad arguments I think I might go back to it for awhile. play with it again. Do you know, can you do LVM with it? :D

All good points, I'll stop now. Like I've said I've used Gentoo quite a bit and it is good too. Enough said.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to harp on this, but I don't get why people think that "gentoo" is for the advanced user? If you can follow there great instructions on there site you can install it. After that, it emerge this emerge that? It's not really that advanced or a hard learning curve. Well, it's advanced in the way they set it up with portage, but it doesn't take an advaced user to setup and use it. Since it is so bleeding edge though. It might take an advanced user to fix it when it breaks. I ran it for several months since 1.2 was released and it BROKE quite a few times. When it basically takes 24 hours to install to a decent Desktop Station. That's not a good thing for ME anyway's. I don't believe anyone would argue that LFS isn't advanced, you have to build everything from scratch. Can't get anymore better than that for learning. I love that quote, that's about the best I've heard! SuSE is making such a HUGE push right now, it's easy to guess the direction there going. I know not everyone here is from america, but since I am, I wonder how many American Corporations would go with a German product over an American (RH) product? One of the main reasons I use RH for is because my company uses it. I personally have used SuSE more than any other Distro and believe it to be nice. They do some wierd things Internally but hey, who doesn't and some shaddy buisness tactics when it comes to Open Software. This is a nice quote from a Madpenguin review: Can't be all that bad. Slackware I think is also a good one to learn from, many (if not all) things are done by you and vi (what ever editor you use), but Slack still has the ability to use a package depency system, call Swaret (fork). I haven't had a chance to look into ArchLinux yet, but it looks to be a good learning distro also. I started to install this weekend and then got called away from home so couldn't do it, I will have to give it another chance when I have some free time. Anyway, when you look at package management and dependency issues. All most all of the Distros are doing some kind of system: Debian/ & cousins = apt-get RH/SuSE/MDK = apt-get for RPM and URPMI for the latter. Gentoo = portage Arch = pacman Slack = swaret & some others. FreeBSD = ports. Just thought I would throw that one in there even though it's not Unix. Anyway, I've BLAH BLAH BLAH enough. Later,

To you Sarah, what are the best features of ArchLinux? Since your a deveoper, you can give me the skinny can't you? :P

A while ago, I just visit about once a day to see how things are going.

I think when I started this post, my concions was wanting for people to tell me yes, install RH because Corprate America uses it the most. Oh well, to each there own. I'm running RH at work so I figure I would go back to playing with Slack at home. Although Mrs. Hays has sparked in intrest for me in Archlinux! Thanks a lot, now I just might have to spend the day playing with that one now.

Speaking of Gentoo users filling up news site's. Here's an article on www.osnews.com about slackware 9 & of course you can't get through one article on that site with a couple of gentoo users makeing bad statements. http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=3780 Check it out, I know Dolson will get a kick out of it.

I agree with bvc and sarah31, emerge <filename> isn't helping you learing anything about compiling software. Of course I use RH and Debian and apt-get install <filename> isn't helping me out either. I'm seriously thinking of going back to Slack and do it "old school", I've just got used to being pampered with apt, I haven't compiled a kerenl in a long time. RH's kerenl doesn't like to except patches and that pretty much stinks. I can't speak on Arch, that is one distro I haven't tried. Maybe I'll check it out. How's it going bvc, haven't talked to you in awhile?

I can understand that, they have a good product and have some very good stuff coming down the line for servers and corprate clients. But I think they really hurt them self's not beta testing and only realeasing an ftp install a couple weeks after the box hit's the shelves.