Reiver_Fluffi
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The problem is he's an expert on hacking but not on usability. Because of his icon status people are taking his comments too seriously. Because he is an authority.
But they forget he is not an authority on this field. Important thing is that they get people knowledgeable on usability working on this, which is what both KDE and Gnome are already doing.
That's more or less what I was thinking, what I said just didn't tie up.
(Yes i'm back, couldn't resist ;) )
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Isn't Mandriva packed with drivers that works for old and one which work for new cards?
AI, i'm not sure if this is right, but I have a hunch you are thinking of the commercial drivers on the box/club releases, I believe they do, but as far as I know only one driver for each on free!
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Hey, we all know the rules of this forum, so I don't think that it is necessary to remind you that staying on topic is one of these rules !
Yes, in so much as is possible, but I picked out a point in your first point I didn't agree with and a discussion evolved from that, can't see how it's off-topic?
I think it was clear what type of freedom I was talking about (freedom of choice not free of charge), nobody of the other posters seems to have problems understanding thisApologies, I overlooked that one (might have been useful to look back at the original post :o )
you just began your cvs-x.org-crusade and I just told you that there is a more apropriate place for thisI can't see how its a crusade my friend, like I said before, I picked out a point that I didn't agree with and we discussed it. Although it looks like it has run its course now, and now we are bogged down in discussions of its relevance. Sometimes this is just they way things are.
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did I talk chinese in my original post ??? :D
No, the conversation evolved from your initial post, which apparently, up until now, you have condoned by answering those posts and waiting until to make a point that we have strayed off. In fact, nobody really said that mandriva wasn't free (although you did fail to define free, often subject to differences in interpretation), but given that they are a company (like SuSE, Redhat, et al) they would much rather you gave them some money for their efforts. So okay, not everyone is affected by the bugs, but there are a few that are. The fact is that by using a CVS (and come on, lets not stray off this point just because it works for you) for X, well its not a very headstrong decision. How many total linux n00bs do you think are going to be thrown off by this? Mandriva doesn't care, or at least they are not demonstrating that they do. The bowed down to pressures from club members to get their backside in gear, and from Intel to support their new graphics chips (using the CVS, which isn't an issue for powerpack users as they are given commercial drivers, see how we get a happy medium here that does not include the effect on the free user). Unfortunately the "free" user doesn't rank against actual customers and suppliers, its a fact of business that we can't escape, unfortunately.
Yes I agree developers need to live, i'm all for that and once my Mandriva club subs finish, I will be donating to a non-commercialised distro as they deserve the money, not the fat cat bureaucratic Linux companies, they are in no way dynamic, everyone has the same story, whether its Mandriva, SuSE, Redhat, etc!
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AFAIK 7174 is the last driver release from nvidia which supports older cards (GeForce2 and older), so it must be included.
True,
However, the archives on nVidia go back to 2001, so even if Mandriva don't have a suitable driver, they will.
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ok, so if you don't have a prolem with ati and nvidia trying to earn some money, I don't know why you seem to have a problem with mandriva trying to earn some money, too
Mandriva acts as a packager, with some of their own programs thrown in for good measure. The problem is not with originators of say X.org, as the stuff that Mandriva used, they had marked as development, but Mandriva decided to package it in a final product, something where the items you are dependent on (to a great extent) should be stable, not a development version. If we wanted something unstable/in development, we would use cooker, right? And we wouldn't expect to pay for it either!
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instead of accusing him of limiting choice
That's the second time you have twisted what I have said to the effect of putting words in my mouth. I'm walking away from this before it turns sour!
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It's certainly possible, buit someone somewhere esle told me that this wasn't is first out spoken remark, something about C++, dunno can't recall off the top of my head!
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I might get around to updating, but it works fine, and over 4000fps so not bad
:P :P :P I managed 5000 the other night with an even older driver than that, somewhere in the 6000's lol!, that was on a GeForce FX5200, not a card to brag about
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How are you supposed to educate about choice, when Linus "the creater", one many bow down to, "apparently" tells you to just use KDE. Is that not influencing choice?
Why not. I happen to agree but am I not entitled to my opinion?
Why should Linus not be entitled to his?
There wouldn't be a problem if he was merely stating his opinion, but his remarks goes beyond that! According to him GNOME is developed by "Interface Nazis"........
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2...r/msg00022.html
Bit childish if you ask me!
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I don't get it. Linus expresses his preference for kde over gnome and that is anti-choice? Not really. It's his choice - he likes kde better than gnome. How does this limit anybody's choice?Please, just tell people to use KDE.
How are you supposed to educate about choice, when Linus "the creater", one many bow down to, "apparently" tells you to just use KDE. Is that not influencing choice?
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So, everyone tells me that linux is about choice, even on the gui side, then I come accross this:
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2...r/msg00021.html
Where Linus has basically told us we should all use KDE, hmm so what happened to choice philosophy?
(Guys, I know DE's can be heated discussion, lets remember our P's & Q's)
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The one I found in Powerpack was 7170, which was same version as I'd downloaded from NVidia direct.
You sure it wasn't 7174? Just checked nvidia the now, its now at 8174, think its been like that for a week or so.
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I'm using a combination of Intel and NVidia cards too. I only see the Euphoria problem on my machine with the Intel cards. It doesn't happen on the NVidia one. I removed the bundled NVidia, and installed the ones from NVidia's website though, since the ones included with 2006 were pants.
Plus the one in the powerpack are seriously out of date, yet no sign of an update to the package :unsure:
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This.....
I did not talk about the Mandriva crap-idea of including a cvs-x.org, this was discussed elsewhere, and I already made my point clear in this posts, so I don't see the need to post it again,and this:
I talked about ati and nvidia making such a secret about their drivers and not releasing the specs about their cards (at least those that a programmer would need, to build a decent driver), so still blame nvidia and ati.go hand in hand, thus it is totally relevent! The reason that the nvidia and ati opensource drivers are broken is because that version of X is broken, it a CVS snapshot, unstable!!!! I am struggling to understand why you cannot see the causal link here, it's blatantly clear to see!
And there is a good reason why ati and nvidia proprietary drivers are closed source, it's simple, their cards are commerial products, ones that reap them heay profits which can be reinvested in new technology, giving Joe Bloggs improved graphics over a period of time. Things like these have to harboured and kept closed, as it is a big money business and a lot at stake by opening up to th extent you believe they should. Fair enough opensource software works mainly due to the internet, the fact that the code is available to everyone, the costs are borne over the world by many individuals. Whereas hardware the costs are usually borne by one company per product line/range where the need to make money to survive! Nvidia and ati compromise by providing Linux users with drivers for free!
Tell me, what do you really want, open soure drivers when the card makers give you adequate closed source drivers that work. Or to kill the hardware manufacturers, flood the market with poor substitutes, but they all use an opensource driver!
Don't get me wrong, I love Linux and open source, it's been a breath of fresh air for me, and stil is. But opensource has it's limits, just like everthing else. Something you seem to be struggling to understand!
If the whole world was open, it would be no fun, honest, think about it!
I don't see the problem with OpenOffice2 since you can obtain it directly from OOo (they use rpms now), hey I think I mentoined that alreadyWhy yes of course, but then again some take comfort in the fact that they will get some form of support, little as it may be, with a downstream package, more so than an upstream tarball!!!
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But, typical of Mandriva, if you want an "Official packaged OOo, you gotta be a club member.
Well, it's not so mandatory. Get Cooker source RPM, let your computer spend some two days compiling - and voila, you've got OO 2.0 final! :-)
Yeah but cooker is no good for a n00b!
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The free to download version of:
wipes a drive completely clean to zeros from bit
one to bit last including the MBR. It takes awhile
for big drives but you can rest assured that there
is nothing left. I have never harmed a drive using
this application.
I also use the Ranish Partition Manager (RPM)
to identify whatever FAT and OS file structure
a particular OS lays down on the HD. Using RPM
I can then prepare a HD for either a single OS
installation or up to 30 separate, discreet and
bootable partitions.
Might be worth pointing out that Maxtor provides these utilities as a free download for use on their drives (man they were a godsend when I borked my winblows disk up big time, along with a generous FAT32 partition so Linux could be used to rescue the files....)
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Yes, there is a check box by default, so you can deselect it and it'll then not format it.
At least I noticed this in 2006. Not sure about previous versions, never tried :P
It was there in 2005 as well!
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Just add this line to ubuntu repo and you have OO2 final.
# Open Office 2 final
deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/OOo2 ./
:)
Aye, most of the major distro's have now packaged it and made available to end users. But, typical of Mandriva, if you want an "Official packaged OOo, you gotta be a club member. Somebody care to explain why the business model works, cos it's beyond me.....
(Here AI, nice to see yer still around ;))
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Don't think that its a config issue, more like bad html/design. You could try reducing the text size, i.e. Ctrl & +/- .
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Alternatively, start up konsole (the KDE terminal program), at the prompt type
su
and then enter the root password, there you go yer logged in as root within that terminal session.
if you need to stop the x server use:
telinit 3
This will shut down the graphical interface and bring you to text-mode, and prompt you to login (type root then enter, etc)
To restart X (the GUI) you can
telinit 5
(Not sure if start x will work from init 3, neer tried it!)
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IIRC, there was a time when Gentoo was considered unstable. but I believe they are working towards removing that stigma. Like paul demonstrated, an uptime 200 days, looks pretty stable enough to me!
I reckon, at least with the major players, that stability lives in the shadow of preferences. IMHO
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As a fairly n00b-ish Gentoo user, I have no option but to use the command line at is doesn't have all the graphical tools that Mandriva uses. but this doesn't bother me in the slightest, i'm enjoying the learning curve, giving me a sorely needed challenge......although I gotta admit some relief when the emerge of x and gnome had finished ;)
Mandriva is still free
in Everything Linux
Posted · Edited by Reiver_Fluffi
I tend to agree, other distributions make the drivers available. Also, you got me thinking on this one, so I looked at NVidia's license agreement:
The license clearly states that you are free to redistribute Linux drivers provided you do not alter the binary driver! It also states that you cannot rent the driver out, under the club membership they are effectively doing that (well in some way).