kristi

I used to do that back in my first year of college (1980 lol). The university had a xerox sigma 9 system and this was before CRT's were cheap so they had line printers. Type your command, prints on paper (can you newbies believe it?). I was taking some assembler course and we would do all these pages after pages of memory dumps (sys 11 calls I think). Then sit there and track memory.

 

I was pretty much a natural at it *cheese*

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yeah - natural - I got my first "real" ibm pc in 1985 - I'm surprised the sigma didn't have a crt - the 7070 back in 1963 just had a console where you typed stuff in and it printed it, but we used a 1401 for IOCS via a tape drive (when we weren't having tape races!!!

Kristi

That actually sounds pretty good - that way if you find a problem you don't have to go through all the hastle of the "next release" to have a fix.

NEAT!!!

Kristi

no beta 4, but there will be two release candidates. First one should have been out already but warly's holding it back while the mirrors mess is sorted out.

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Why 2 different release candidates? Didn't know there was a mirror mess (I live in such idylity!!!

Kristi

IIRC mine is exactly like that, so I guess that's not the problem :/

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I am wondering/suspecting that bluetooth is going to make a difference. When I was on Xandros I heard a lot about wireless problems but ddnt pick up on the solution... I would suggest you do a search on http://mandrakeusers.org/index.php?act=idx - not all MDK, but maybe a solution.. I also noticed one time when I did "choose individual packages" on an install that a number of bluetooth modules/options are not automatically included..., though I would think a urpmi run would fix that..

 

Also, I think you said you were running USB bluetooth so it should NOT be the same as mine.

 

Kristi

I removed the extra '&&' at position194 of the file rhconfig.h and ran the installer again and it worked fine.

Just FYI

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Yeah, I think I had source and modules out of sync which caused my prob throughout. In any case, the mm kern doesn't have that error and I learned a bunch so Apparently There won't be a b4 - I deduced that in reading that they hadn't planned a b3. Wonder if they have alphas for 10.3 yet...

 

10.2 runs pretty solid though kde hickuped twice when I installed things, but a reboot cured it. Nothing repeatable. Still doesn't have that automatic espresso maker, though Maybe I should open a bug report on that...

 

But great to hear you got it going, Darkstar!!!

B)

Kristi

Logitech Mousman Wheel M-BD53 (PS2)

 

xorg.conf

Section "InputDevice"

    Identifier "Mouse1"

    Driver "mouse"

    Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2"

    Option "Device" "/dev/mouse"

    Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"

EndSection

Since it's coming ftom the case fromt panel, that kinda limits you to :

sound (in or out)

firewire

usb

reset

power on

power on light

speaker

HD light

 

Some of the newer cases also provide a monitor for voltages, and speed control for fans.

 

Stick a voltmeter on it: across the 2 wires, and then each wire to board/case ground.

hth Hope that helps

Kristi

What's the mouse section of youe /etc/X11/xorg.conf say?

Kristi

Hey, how many miles to the post do you get on that car???

not startkde

 

just kde

 

bypasses all the level5 stuff

 

Only takes a few seconds to find out.

Kristi

Neorxenawange - It is "Garden of Paradise" in Anglo-Saxon (the language of Beowulf and other poems). ;)

 

Yes, I double-majored in English and Computer Science undergrad - it's all about language :)

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NEAT!!!!!

:D

So where the heck is 10.2b4???????????

I'm bored!!!!!!!

 

 

 

Yeah, I used to love dumps!

 

 

Neorxenawange

scratching head trying to figure this one out... Said fast it sounds like New York / Tonowanda???

(hoping I'm keeping you all amused!

Just type kde and hit enter.

Kristi

kristi: windows already has a fairly good permissions system (in fact it's a bit more granular than the standard *nix permission system, which has been around for decades; for finer control on *nix, you can use ACLs, Access Control Lists). the problem is that Windows users (at least home ones, enterprises do) generally don't use it, but the infrastructure is there.

 

pbpersson: ifup eth0. InterfaceUp Ethernet0. pretty easy to remember, at least to my brain...I rarely forget CLI commands, even ones I use lightly.

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Hey, Adam! Either I never knew about it or paid no attention to it. What was/is it called? That file sharing thing??? (I guess my excuse is that I never used windows at work, that was always TSO or TCAM or whatever, or smaller dedicated telecom machines like the DataGeneral.

 

I do still have an XP boot and a 98 boot, but they get used about once a month and are heavily firewalled and virusscanned.. I love knowing I've got a 5-way boot!

Kristi

Something tells me they lost..  

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Thanks for the confidence vote, but it ran about 50/50 They had a couple of fabulously smart guys on their SE staff (to balance off the numerous not-so-smart ones.) It was a pleasure to see them work on a 12"hex dump!!!! Those were good days - coffee and choc chip cookies in the middle of the night while pouring over a dump. YUM! Whole 'nother world!

Kristi

Kristi, you must be an old hand if you are talking about IBM :0 (just kidding, really!)

It's not how long you've been around, it's what you've learned!

I never worked for IBM but spent many years "fighting" with them.

Here we go again!

Update my 10.2 beta 2 with 10.2 beta3 and ran into same problem: X server dying at startup... I've installed kernel-source package and re-ran Nvidia installer but can't make it work...

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bummer.

recheck /etc/modprobe.preload and /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? I had one of them change on me without it telling me when I booted in the wrong kern.

hth

Kristi

Edit: afterthought - you're still using the regular 2.6.10-3 kern, aren't you?

When I first got my Shuttle AN35N board, everything that did not expressly have UDMA support crawled. They finally came out with a bios flash upgrade - "i" I think, that supported DMA - and then everything ran fast.

 

If your bios does not have a dma on setting, this may be very worthwhile!

just my 2 cents.

Kristi

Someone sent me a PM and between Thunderbird and my mood, I blew it off - said something about my posting 450 posts on Xandros. Yep Most were to help other newbies struggling with stuff I had just learned. Ton of fun cause it made me research stuff I had learned and was trying to pass on... Then I got bored and tried MDK.. Then I got bored and tried b3. icon_mrgreen.gif

Sorry to blow you off - thanks for the note.

 

:) That was me on another forum - I think, unless you have another person that did that. I think it is a good thing, Kristi, that you pass on what you learned the hard way to others so they don't have to take the same knocks.

 

I think that Linux gives people a lot more control than they are often used to coming from Windows environments. Sometimes this level of control can seem daunting but on the whole I think it really speaks to some of us that remember when everything was command-line.

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yep, twas you! Glad you picked up on it. :)

I think it is a good thing, Kristi, that you pass on what you learned the hard way to others so they don't have to take the same knocks.

Thanks - it is my hope that a few of the newbies trying Linux will find appropriate help in peoples posts and decide that Linux ain't so bad after all and stick around!!! I was a hard sell so Xandros-Linux was a great/appropriate introductory path for me, but I think there are lots of others for whom MDK will be a good entry, and I fully suspect we'll see much more of that in MDK 10.3, etc

 

I think that Linux gives people a lot more control than they are often used to coming from Windows environments.

I remember well when IBM introduced "RSS" ("resource security system") to its operating systems - confused the hell out of folks at the time - a mini version of Linux permission scheme. Win NT does protect the kern a bit more than before, but it seems inevitable to me that Bill will have to introduce a new opsys with Linux-style permission security. I wonder if he sees that... In the intervening 5 years we have Linux now.

 

To the old folks who still hold on to command line coding, remember - there are still a ton of folks who refuse to move off of DOS. Use what you like, and need!

(make mine a hot chocolate!!!

Kristi

What better way than bu offering detailed help

 

Isn't it much easier to give detailed help through the CLI? It much easier to say type this or type that then click that button, no the other one ,on the next tab and check the second box from the left. :)

 

Anyway, I have to admit I like a GUI better than the CLI because I like to be able to see all the options in front of me (and because I had a hard time with Freevo's local_conf.py :)).

 

How easy to explain something is not the real point. What is important is that Linux is different from Windows. As long as people don't accept the difference they can never work well with Linux. If you don't want to learn about urpmi Mandrake is not for you.

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Yo, dude. What's CLI? (??command line something???) learning a bit about urpmi didn't take much and I think it's FANTASTIC feature. Don't know if it's just MDK but it's dynomite! Definitely one of the reasons I like MDK so much. Now if I could only learn to read....(step 2 button in urpmi!!!)

 

Yeah, some folks think simple means a command line where you have to memorize what to do. Others, like me, prefer to have a gui lead them around by the nose so I can remember what I feel is more important stuff.

I don't see slackware dying anytime soon!!!

Kristi

 

Someone sent me a PM and between Thunderbird and my mood, I blew it off - said something about my posting 450 posts on Xandros. Yep Most were to help other newbies struggling with stuff I had just learned. Ton of fun cause it made me research stuff I had learned and was trying to pass on... Then I got bored and tried MDK.. Then I got bored and tried b3.

Sorry to blow you off - thanks for the note.

Kristi

 

I learned to hate command line on an IBM 7070, and later on a Commodore64 and a couple of little RadioShack machines.

 

Edit 3: Oh, and Devries, if you were the grand poohbah who moved my "Basics" posts to "general help" - THANKS!!! I add a 3rd one there for webcams.

Kristi

You seem to believe that Windows is the norm and that Linux should be the same as Windows for people to be able to work with it. (click yes click next clicky clicky).

 

Perhaps 85% of users use a form of Windows. Some people seem to think it is a crime to give newbies detailed help to get them going. That belief shoots Linux right in the leg. If you believe that Windows is the norm, that is your choice. My actions are very clearly in the direction of catching frustrated Windows users and helping them get a solid foothold in Linux. What better way than bu offering detailed help. What worse way than by telling them to go read a book (that doesn't have the answer).

 

Are you afraid that a bunch of windows users might just take to Linux and wind up knowing more than you do?

But, all bitching aside, I do truly appreciate all you guys' contributions and trying to help.

 

Mylearning curve!

 

But now happily running b3 with 6629 and everything else.

 

because you guys, Adam, Rolf, Steve (others?) cared enough to keep coming back with ideas, not knowing which part I was not getting.

 

THANKS!

 

Kristi

Remember, this is a work in progess!

 

If you find yourself presented with a command line and have no idea what it wants...

 

kde will start up KDE - a wonderful gui that should go a long way to getting you started.

 

halt shuts down Linux gracefully and powers the computer off.

 

reboot shts down Linux gracefully and reboots your computer

 

ls lists whatever is at your directory level (like a DOS dir command

cd changes directory like DOS

vi is a nifty neato command line editor

vi /etc/xorg.cong will edit that file

pressing i enters insert mode

pressing Esc ends edit mode.

Esc :wq (enter) will write (save) the changes and quit.

Esc :q (enter) will quit without saving changes

 

Using vi to edit /etc/inittab will determine how your next boot proceeds: 3 will present you with a command line; 5 will cause kde will be started.

 

/etc/modprobe.preload preloads modules necessary to run whatever. The exampe is that you add the line "nvidia" after you have installed the nvidia driver successfully.

Hope that helps

Kristi

 

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Oh, and don't forget the

 

Load "glx"

 

line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf

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It's already been there in any release I have seen. Was that a 10.1 thing?

You can now attempt to install the Nvidia driver (6629)  To do this, first modify modprobe.preload to start level 3 instead of 5.

 

I think you mean /etc/inittab, which you would edit following your later instructions in reverse.

Hmmmm...was I just reprimanded for being vague? I'm never vague about...you know...stuff.

:P

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8 lines above that I am cd'ed into /etc

 

Everyone was vague. I think it is a Linux "thing". I poses no use to anyone but an expert who doesn't need it anyway.