io333

Whenever I need something on the "4th CD" I just find the package I want to install with a browser in one of the Mandrake FTP mirrors, click on it, and let it install from there. That when if it needs a package not on a CD, it can find it in the FTP directory. :P

Wow. This is the first time *ever* I've had a linux installation where EVERYTHING worked perfectly. After about 5 years of messing with it. Wierd. Well almost everything. There's the little problem of postscript output being dumped raw to the printer sometimes..... I think I'll have to leave that for another day... I'm going to have a glass of wine and go to bed. Dear God, what in the world will I do when a new verison of ML comes out? Mess with a perfect system and start all over again. Is there a pill I can take to make me stop?

OK, it works now. I had to add into my XFree86Config-4 file this line: under section "Monitor" option "DPMS" Actually I had to add it twice because I have two monitors and Xinerama. THANK YOU EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEA HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :woops: :D :D :D

bvc, I followed your instructions. ACPI and ACPID were not installed. I installed them. After reboot, they are now both running as services, whereas before there was nothing. When I do "chkconfig apmd off" it says: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- root@localhost b]# chkconfig apmd off error reading information on service apmd: No such file or directory [root@localhost b]# ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- but when I do "urpmi apm apmd" it says: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [root@localhost b]# urpmi apm apmd The following packages contain apm: apmd libapm1 libapm1-devel [root@localhost b]# ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ so they must already be installed. But they are not running in the background as services. My lilo.conf is passing the append acpi argument as instructed. I figure it must be working from lilo or ACPI wouldn't be running as a service now? One of my hard drives is spinning down, the other is not. I'm pretty sure the one that isn't spinning down is the one I'm running the linux partition off of, so it may be that for some reason Mandrake is poking at the drive once and a while and keeping it from spinning down. However, the drive was still spinning down *before* I installed ACPI. and finally: The monitors are *still* not turning off. But I feel like I'm getting closer, yes?

Gosh, that's a darn good question. It accepts the hdparm parameters thrown at it -- I was just assuming the drives were shutting down, but I have an A/C next to me (gotta keep the processor cool!!) and can't hear the drives. I'll turn the A/C off for a while & listen. I'll try the other stuff above too.

Neato. Firefox under Mandrake for me was always eons slower than the same version under XP. Now they are equally quick.

Tried the 2.6.3.15 kernel. NOW I know what they ment by 263-7 in lilo, it was the kernel version! Still no monitor turn off. I am quietly going mad.

I had an obvious typo in my lilo.conf, here is my latest try (I also tried the "acpi=on"). Neither worked. I always boot from the "263-7" selection, whatever the heck that means. I also *did* remember to type "lilo" after editing. Neither try worked. I'll update the kernel now and see if anything happens. Formatting is getting lost in this BBS, sorry. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # File generated by DrakX/drakboot # WARNING: do not forget to run lilo after modifying this file boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=menu default="263-7" keytable=/boot/us.klt prompt nowarn timeout=100 message=/boot/message menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw image=/boot/vmlinuz label="linux" root=/dev/hdb1 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append="devfs=mount splash=silent" vga=788 read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz label="linux-nonfb" root=/dev/hdb1 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append="devfs=mount" read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.3-7mdk label="263-7" root=/dev/hdb1 initrd=/boot/initrd-2.6.3-7mdk.img append="devfs=mount apm=on splash=silent" read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz label="failsafe" root=/dev/hdb1 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append="failsafe devfs=nomount" read-only other=/dev/hda1 label="windows" table=/dev/hda ----------------------------------------------------

OK, I'll try that too, although I don't see why it would work when xscreensaver or KDEscreensaver won't work.

results: ------------------------------------------------------------------ [root@localhost a]# chkconfig --list | grep apm [root@localhost a]# chkconfig --list |grep apm [root@localhost a]# chkconfig --list |grep acpi [root@localhost a]# service -s | grep apm Usage: lsmod Usage: lsmod [root@localhost a]# service -s | grep acpi Usage: lsmod Usage: lsmod [root@localhost a]# ------------------------------------------------------------------ here is my lilo.conf: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- # File generated by DrakX/drakboot # WARNING: do not forget to run lilo after modifying this file boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=menu default="263-7" keytable=/boot/us.klt prompt nowarn timeout=100 message=/boot/message menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw image=/boot/vmlinuz label="linux" root=/dev/hdb1 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append="devfs=mount splash=silent" vga=788 read-only append "apm=on" image=/boot/vmlinuz label="linux-nonfb" root=/dev/hdb1 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append="devfs=mount" read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.3-7mdk label="263-7" root=/dev/hdb1 initrd=/boot/initrd-2.6.3-7mdk.img append="devfs=mount splash=silent" read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz label="failsafe" root=/dev/hdb1 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append="failsafe devfs=nomount" read-only other=/dev/hda1 label="windows" table=/dev/hda ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Which kernel and from where? Is it something I can find in the Mandrake Control Center Software Updates? Or something I should use urpmi for? Or do I find one and compile it from scratch? THANKS FOR REPLYING!!!!

I'd have to disagree. Stuff like that sounds way too "studio" for me. I'm bored to tears with "studio" sound.

Stuff like disk access, AFAIK, is pretty low level interaction between the motherboard drivers in the OS, and the bios, but is usually handled by the overlying OS. What I meant was that the type of access that the operating system is attempting in 10.0 and XP is probably stressing the hardware harder and that's when you see everything falling apart. In Linux, you can play around at the command line with "hdparm" to change just about everything (risky though), but again, it's not going to fix the underlying problem. Can't you just go and get a new 80 pin IDE cable somewhere today?

I'm using a standard Microsoft PS/2 LED mouse with no problems, Man10oe, kernel 2.6. Maybe you just needed to fix your XF86Config?

I'll try: If it were me, I would be *sure* it was a hardware problem. It's probably getting set up in XP and Man10 as DMA (or whatever), and not in 9.2, so it's working OK only in 9.2. Bad drive, bad motherboard, or bad cable. Heck, maybe even bad ram (a long shot but it *does* happen!). Your choice as to which to swap out first. Cable is cheapest and easiest to try first. I've had more problems like you are explaining than I can remember. It always turned out to be hardware. I think you're wasting your time with software fixes. Maybe they can make it work for a while, but it's only going to get worse. Naturally, YMMV -- io333

For various reasons I end up with two soundards in a single PC all the time and all the inputs work. Why not just two soundcards?

I had *lots* of XFree86 crashes when running KDE and Firefox 0.8 under Mandrake10.0C I never had them before. They all went away when I went to 10.0OE and Forefox 0.9 I have no idea why. It might have had something to do with running SunClock as my KDE background, but I'm not sure -- the crashes were random. Interestingly though, SunClock seems to have disappeared in Mandrake 10.0OE. Now my desktop background is boring.

have you tried typing "about:config" in the location bar and checking what your middlemouse options say? I'm not sure what they all mean, but it's something you can look at. Also the mozillazine forums are very good.

Ah the Wizards! I avoid them like plague! Nothing like a wizard to turn half my green 'OK's to red. Maybe I'll buzz on over to Workbench and see what's up.

Oh one other thing: I'm really glad to have found this board! I don't know why I never looked for it before. I guess I was always just content to solve all the problems myself, but I'm getting tired in my old age and just want the darn thing to work now. If we can direct enough users over this way, I have a feeling that we can hash out almost *all* of the problems that Mandrake has been having over the years in short order. Y'all will probably eventually notice that I can be bitchy though.

Thanks. We are definitely not alone. I've seen this question posted at least five other times in other places, including usenet. No one has come up with an answer though. My research to date has come up with the following solution: The kernal probably has to be recompiled with the APM option turned on. I'm hoping there is a way to just modprobe it in and have it work, because a kernel recompile, with my current limited disk space install, is a huge PITA. It would be just as easy for me to start from scratch with a different distro. Alternatively, it would be neat if there was some way to get a new working APM enabled kernel from MandrakeUpdate or something similar. I really *love* my install the way it is now. It is *almost* perfect. I thought it *was* perfect, but then I noticed the darn monitors were staying on. Sigh, it's always something that throws me back over to XP, although right now I'm resisting the urge and just turning my monitors off with the power buttons.

Well I see I've been moved to hardware, which has less traffic. I can see how you might decide this is a hardware issue, but i'm using pretty generic stuff and the problem was the APM did not install with 10.0Off, whereas every other version of linux installs APM just fine. I don't understand why this is not mostly an installation issue? I'm asking how to install APM.

Some other hardware, in case it matters: Radeon VE (Radeon 7000) AudioPCI HP Scanjet 2100C Brother HL1440 printer Microsoft optical mouse MicroInnovations generic PS/2 keyboard Realtek 8139 Mitsumi 4804 burner Generic 56k external serial modem All of the hardware worked (more or less) out of the box install. The modem needed some hand tweaking, and the printer output also needed some tweaking to line up the page. Other than that, install with Mandrake is an incredible breeze, which is why I don't bother with Gentoo anymore. Impressive!

Every version of Mandrake I've ever used (since version 7) has never had a problem with APM. My current setup has seen Mandrake9.0, Mandrake 9.1, and Mandrake 10.0Community without any power management problems. Since I freshly installed Mandrake 10.0 Official last week, I have no APM, or ACPI, or whatever it is that makes the darn monitors turn off. I don't really know too much about power management, because I've never had problems before, it just worked. I've been searching the web for days and trying various things without any results, so I'm ready to ask the question. How should I proceed? My current setup is: Shuttle AK31a/Athlon 2000+ (via chipset) XFree86 version 4.3 (or whatever the latest was in 10.0Official) Running Xinerama across two monitors, both Dell 1024HX Whatever kernel was installed by default. KDE with screensavers and monitor power management enabled in Desktop Configuration ICEWM with xscreensaver I've tried things like "modprobe ACPI" and turning on ACPI in LILO and some other little things, but I'm really banging my head against a wall at this point? Is there any way to fix this problem easily without recompiling the kernel? I may have trouble doing kernel configuration, because I'm running on a small partition and may not have enough space to do it. Any pointers, anything at all is so appreciated! I don't want to be forced to wait for Mandrake 10.1, or even worse, to reformat a larger partition and install the horror of Gentoo! [moved from Installing Mandrake by spinynorman - welcome to the board :)]