bookie

Hi Mindwave, long time no see!! I am glad to see you haven't lost your touch!

Been away from the computer for some time now. Had so many other things to sort out and it left me a bit exhausted.

Keep up the good work

bookie

I thank Ixthusdan for reopening the thread because I feel that there is still a lot to be learned by having an open dialogue :)

I am not here to start a war about who is right and who is wrong about bootsplash! All I know is working with bootsplash the Debian way is far superior to splashy. Splashy was untidy and didn't do it for me!! Me is singular B)

I implemented splashy and found that the verbose ran for quite a while before the splash and quite a while after the splash before I came to the login splash.

I tried to everything to improve on that - but couldn't?

If there is anyone interested, then I would like to understand the way the splash is implemented in Mandriva? I would then give the comparison for bootsplash the Debian way. Please don't forget that I am talking about the Debian way when I talk about the differences between splashy and bootsplash.

I am doing this to learn more about Linux not start a slanging match :mellow:

There are surely those who don't consider getting their feet wet as being aggressive on my part :)

Linux can be fun even if it means compiling a kernel or two? :D

I will not respond to snide comments!! I respect opinions as long as they are not aimed at me personally.

bookie

Well, it is obvious that we are not speaking the same language - because it is just that that the kernel needed a patch that made it so stable?!!!

I it is a shame that people wish to comment when I clearly posted yesterday that there was a lack of interest and wouldn't be waisting any more time on it.

Perhaps I should make my self clear!! Bootsplash will continue to be a project for many even though it hasn't found any interest here at Mandriva.

The term getting your feet wet hasn't any meaning here!!

After patching and compiling your kernel which, unless you really need specific changes, can be an old compile. After being installed the kernel is stable and gives you a good stable start up splash and shut down splash. You can even put in a nice grub jpeg at boot if you like without too much trouble.

Where do you think splashy came from? :mellow:

It seems to me that folk only want to have a dig without really understanding anything at all behind bootsplash

bookie

I am sorry that so few of you have come in contact with bootsplash?!

There is no point in putting energy into something if people are not interested?!

As far as I am concerned. this thread is closed

Thanks to those who took the time to comment

bookie

Hi guys, I was just at www.mcnlive.org/index.html and saw that for the first time in ages there had been an update on the 18th. I hope this means that the revival of MCNL isn't far away now.

Been AWOL lately. Broke my left ankle last Wednesday and haven't been able to concentrate on much at all

OK thought breaking my ankle was enough of a problem for the time been. NOPE don't do things by halves :mellow:

Decided to get a bout of the flu at the same time!! There is no justice at times!

Thanks for post :D

bookie

Hi pindakoe, thanks for stopping by :D

I don't think that splashy is documented more than bootsplash - it's just that several distros are starting to adopt it!

I haven't looked at the bootsplash on the Mandriva side yet, but the general consensus is that bootsplash patches are more stable than splashy :unsure:

Debian has been using the patches for the kernel and bootsplash is still available for the present kernel but then it stops!!

I am doing a compile the kernel the Debian way (been done before) but thought I'd do an update to show the advantages of bootsplash from an idiot's point of view (me being the idiot) It really amounts to what we want in a distro? Do we want it easy and painless then bootsplash wouldn't appeal to everyone. I am hoping to show that it doesn't have to be toooooooo painful using bootsplash instead of splashy :)

I am still doing research but can post that compile How To here at Mandriva if anyone is interested?

As we all know, Mandriva is probably one of the more user friendly distros (don't like Windows as the comparison) that is on the market at the moment

It doesn't mean that we can't get out feet wet if we want - just that people seeing the light and coming to Linux get an easy time adjusting to the Linux way of doing things B)

bookie

Hi guys, like I said your comments are valid - what ever you have to say :D

The reason I thought I'd start this thread is people keep telling me I can't be afraid to get my feet wet with Linux?! ;) Getting your feet wet is working with Linux from the ground up?!

I agree about splashy being able to develop into something great with time. Why should bootsplash be sacrificed at the expense of splashy?

I have read so many comments about bootsplash with the patches being more stable than splashy?

Patching the kernel the debian way isn't so hard?! I am still getting to grips with everything Linux - just think something shouldn't fade away because of new stuff coming around :D

Take Slackware for example. There is a distro you really have to get your feet wet!! What is wrong with that. I am the first to opt for the easiest way out regarding having a nice stable distro and know ground work. That (forgive me if I am wrong) I have learned becomes very boring with time

Keep your comments coming

It is my hope that those who are a little put off with the idea of compiling will become better at understanding Linux by TRYING

bookie

Hi again, I thought I'd start a thread to see what interest there is in the original "bootsplash".

Most of you are probably aware of the disappearance of bootsplash. It has been superseded by "splashy" Splashy cuts out the compiling of the kernel, which for many of us is a blessing or is it?

Many of you know of me or have read my open statements on what I think of Linux. I like many others put my size tens right in the ****. I am also very honest and say what I think which has its merits but not always welcome.

I am here now asking you all to make a little sacrifice and write your feelings about "bootsplash" being replaced by "splashy".

I have tested splashy and, at the risk of drawing an arsenal of "what are you talking about" out of the wood work - think that splashy doesn't hit it yet!

From the comments I have read on the NET, I think, like them that "splashy" is untidy and isn't the fastest at getting going.

Like I said I want all your comments (not just the negative ones or positive) so we can see if I am waisting my time in thinking that the developers of bootsplash would reconsider and continue providing us with a product that we have become accustomed to.

I am obviously uncertain of how we can affect the powers that be, but it is our using their products that make them what they are today?

Please, please help me to bring back bootsplash!!

I know that most of you here have tested and will keep on testing different distros. Isn't that what makes Linux great?!

I have approached several other forums to try and start a trend and who knows?????

Thanks for your time

bookie :)

Hi Peter Snow, I have also tried the ACPI without success!! My only option is a sound card if somebody can give me some hints on what to buy?

A comment from Adam about now would be nice - giving us some sort of hope that Mandriva are looking into this problem and trying to sort it out?!! :unsure:

bookie

Hi guys, I have tried and tried to get sound working - but it beats me what the problem is?! There is a major fault in 2008 that really needs looking into!

What is the point in continuing with a distro that you can't get any sound on?

I am seriously thinking of buying a separate sound card and trying that solution. Is there any suggestions to what sound card is readily accepted under Linux? Even more important - it works with Mandriva!!

Can't understand why we can't seem to sort this problem?!

I am not likely to need a top of the range sound card - just one that works

Peter, I am quite certain that there are a lot of people in the same boat regarding this version of Mandriva?!

What makes me mad is I have 2008 running on an old Pentium 3 without any problems!!

bookie

You will find that mindwave has also looked at rewriting the scripts! Unfortunately, he has rather a lot of outside commitments and probably wont have the time.

I would love to be able to rewrite scripts. Wouldn't know where to begin.

I wish you luck with that

I will have a look at your chat link as well.

bookie

Hi lurch, you sort of hit the nail on the head!! You can understand why mindwave and I were a little upset after putting so much work into this project - only to find that chris b at MNCL has retired from being a part of the MCNLivecd.

As yet, I don't think there is anyone to carry on the work!!

Which means we have only the 2007.1 version to work with!!

Thanks for your comments

bookie :)

Hi highking, sorry you feel that way! The above list has nothing to do with the standard livecd!

bookie

I have solved the problem with the sound card!! I took the easy way out and went back to 2007.1 powerpack!!

I have reprogrammed the computer without my webcam and I still couldn't get sound?!! So until they can make the 2008 version work I'll stay with the old one!

bookie

Hi lurch, I should point out that this to do list is by courtesy of mindwave. Mindwave wanted a livecd with an extra bonus having an updated reinstall cd as well.

II got a little confused about what MCNl was about in the beginning and chris b put me right. It was then that mindwave saw what I wanted and was in the process of developing that side of things with some help from chris b.

Cris b, as you all should have read, has retired from MSNl's development of the livecd!! Didn't get off to a good start with chris b but appreciated her being there. Sorry to see her go!!

Having a livecd which can have your personal settings all the time from the point of creation has to be a bonus. The only downside is the livecd side of things becomes a little slower if you add everything you want in the way of programs etc.

I have worked with mindwave a tremendous amount to make it work! There are no immediate differences from the livecd and what we wanted. I just personally thing that having a livecd that is an exact copy of your own computer at the time of creation to be a great reinstall device and save manually reinstalling individual programs, trying to remember where you got what from where, etc.

The list I attached to this post is an amended version from mindwave's original, although, not changing the basic content!!

I have powerpack and powerpack+ 2007.1 that work with this list.

Any questions? Just ask!

If you want to see what mindwave is about, and learn some more about this project, then follow the following link and you can get the original list and MCNL scripts in one package to save you copying from Toronto!

http://www.thehess.org/Rollyourown1.html

bookie

PS Tried to upload list here but failed!!

This list is from mindwave who is at the following link

https://mandrivausers.org/index.php?showuser=17932. I have added some additions for clarity.

If there is something you don't understand, then please drop me a line, so that I can clarify it for you!

Please also appreciate that there doesn't seem to be anyone working on 2008 at the moment, so 2007.1's kernel will become absolute in a sense but that wont be for some time yet! Some extra comments are highlighted in red. The files you are copying and pasting I have highlighted in blue just for ease of reference later on!

 

Step 28 is not now needed. I haven't personally tested it. You only need step28 if installing to USB!

 

 

 

What if I want to create my OWN cd from my OWN install?

1)This assumes you want to use a 'normally installed Mandriva 2007.1 systems without using the 'remaster on the fly method' and without installing MCNL to the hard drive.

a.This can be used on ANY type of a Mandriva install.

b.If you have Mandriva Free, Mandriva ONE or Mandriva Power pack, it doesn�t matter.

c.What DOES matter is NOT installing anything that you don�t need, so I�ll try and give you some things to watch out for as we go along.

2)These are the basic steps that I used to start from a clean Mandriva 2007.1 Spring installation.

a.This will also make it ready to build a LIVE CD/DVD out of the HD install using the mklivecd and MCNL scripts.

b.I can only verify that this method works with the 2007.1 Spring versions, I haven�t tested it on an earlier version or anything being worked on in the cooker.

c.This setup MAY seem a little confusing because you will perform many of the steps from a system that has been booted with YOUR hard drive installed MDV, and you will also perform several of the steps ONLY from the system running the Toronto system, as booted from the disk created in the next step.

d.One of the things that makes the ORIGINAL set of instructions so confusing is that if you follow them step by step you will be flipping back and forth between your Hard drive install and a Toronto based system a LOT.

e.This is due to the compression used in creating the Toronto CD; you can�t dig down into it as you would a normal installation cd.

3)You will need to download and burn the ISO image of Toronto

a. You�ll want to go here: www.mcnlive.org/download.htm to get the Toronto ISO.

i.There MAY be a newer version than Toronto by the time you read this.

ii.Hopefully I will update this, but if not MCNL is pretty good at maintaining older versions on file.

iii.Once you have the ISO downloaded use whatever burning software you want to turn the ISO into a bootable disk (look for �burn image�)

4)When you go to install your version of Mandriva 2007.1 you will want to do a �custom� partition.

a.Although Mandriva does a great job of creating partitions and things automatically, but most times those partitions are too numerous and the wrong sizes for what we need.

b.When you get to the part where you create your partitions you only need 2 of them created and formatted.

i.The FIRST is your PRIMARY partition; this is where EVERYTHING will live. It should be labeled �/� ONLY and formatted in a Linux native (ext3)

1.This can be whatever size you need, make sure you leave yourself some ROOM to work.

2.At THIS level, my own drive is partitioned to 50GB and everything works fine

3.You do NOT need any extra /home partitions

ii.Your Second partition, the system could handle if it wants, and that�s a Linux Swap partition. Typically it shouldn�t be much bigger than a few GB, in the windows world it�s calculated as 2x your ram.

1.In Linux it�s even more flexible than that, and you can create it as small or large as you want, too small and your HD spins too much.

5)Once you have installed your Mandriva system you will want to go into MCC and make sure that you have installed all drakxtools and drakconf.

a.The drakxtools take care of the hardware detection.

b. Be sure to install the standard kernel or the standard legacy kernel, or the official updated kernel.

c. A kernel from contrib won't work.

d.But if you run a standardized install you should be safe, HOWEVER you may want to hold off on any �updates� until after your system is stable.

(comment: When you install Mandriva 2007.1 you can add your additional packages at the same time. If you want just a lightweight version of Mandriva, then don't add too much - for example games and such like.)

6)Add the software sources main and contrib., you can also add the additional resources if you would like.

a. There are several methods, one of the simplest for ME is to use EASY-URPMI from www.mandrivausers.org

b.Once you navigate to mandrivausers.org in the upper right corner is the link for Easy-URPMI.

c.Although you only NEED to setup your MAIN and CONTRIB I always take the opportunity to setup all my rpm sites while I�m here.

d.However 2 things to consider:

i.Since were going for an light installation, I would definitely take advantage of using the compression offered by easy urpmi

ii.Also I don�t really suggest the �cooker� or other experimental areas for setup, as you can EASILY grab some VERY untested updates that could cause major headaches down the line.

(comment: Stay away from backports as well.)

e.Otherwise, stepping through the menus will pretty much give you everything you need.

f.Once you have stepped through it all you will end up with a page that has all your sites setup in a particular series of steps, beginning with URPMI.

7)Once you have reached that point, you will want to leave that window where it is and open a terminal/console

a.If you don�t have an icon on your desktop you should be able to go to start/system/terminals or it could be listed as /shells

b.There are MANY different shells, they all pretty much do the same thing, which ever you choose should do the trick.

c.With your new console window open you�re now looking at a command line interface, by typing su <enter> and the root password, you�ll be able to change almost anything and everything on your system, so BE CAREFUL!

8)You are now logged into the CLI as root, go to your web window, the one with easy-urpmi displayed, and highlight all the code in the box.

a.Once it�s highlighted, select edit/copy from the menu bar at the top of your browser.

b.Click back to your terminal/console and hit edit/paste that will save you a LOT of typing and make sure it�s all 100% correct.

c.This will paste the entire code from the easy-urpmi into your terminal, hit <enter> and you will see the system �go out� to the internet and update your sources.

(Comment:You can copy and paste individual lines of code if you want to see the result in stages. Otherwise copy all the code and run it all at once)

9)As soon as your sources are updated you can close your web browser, but return to your terminal window and type urpmi mklivecd <enter>

a. This will install the broken mklivecd scripts from /contrib and it will also install all dependencies.

b. To FIX that you�ll want to copy all mklivecd scripts from Toronto on to your Hard drive installation.

i.This isn�t as hard as it sounds, if you know what you�re looking for and WHERE!

ii.Personally I found it easiest to copy ALL of these items onto a small (256mb) USB key and just keep that around for creating these types of disks.

1.You could use a floppy or burn them to a CD, for me USB keys are small, light and they auto mount quite nicely.

10) If you choose this method I would suggest that at this point you power your system OFF and plug in your USB key. You will also want to insert the Toronto CD that was created in step 3 into your cdrom drive.

11) Once you power your system back up you will automatically be logged in as guest, the password for Guest is Guest.

a.Also please note that the default ROOT password is root.

12)WARNING: what I�m about to tell you accounts to heresy for most folks and you will receive MUCH grief if you spread this around. But as this is merely a simple how-to, I like to keep things SIMPLE.

13) Open up the terminal window, and when you get to the CLI type su <enter> and the password is root

14) Then type kdesu conqueror <enter>

a.This will launch the Konqueror Web/File browser in ROOT mode allowing you to navigate anywhere and copy anything (you�ll thank me later).

15)Move konqueror over a little and double click the �devices� icon.

a.This should show you a link to your USB key (if you went that route), as well as your HD installed partition.

b.Your HD installation will probably come up as �56gb storage� or something along those lines, indicating the size in the name.

c.Feel free to go to Configure your Computer/Mounting Points and mount the USB and HD install, but it�s usually not required.

16)Once you have your external devices open you will want to use the Konqueror that you opened in step 14 to drill down to /usr/sbin in your Toronto or root system.

a.Once in that directory copy the scripts mklivecd and hwdetect over to your USB key (again if you�ve gone that route) and into the /usr/sbin directories on your hard drive installation

b.You will get an overwrite warning, and that�s to be expected, go ahead and agree.

17)Next you will want to dig down to /usr/share and then copy the entire mklivecd directory to the same location on your hard drive installation, and your USB key (comment: there are 3 files in share)

18)After you have finished that you will, once again using the edition of Konqueror you opened in step 14 to drill down to /etc/rc.d and copy the rc.sysinit script and paste it to the same locations on your Hard drive install and your USB key.

19)After you have finished that you will, once again using the edition of Konqueror you opened in step 14 to drill down to /etc/rc.d.init.d and copy the halt script and paste it to the same locations on your Hard drive install and your USB key.

a.BTW it is perfectly OK to open more than one copy of Konqueror under root, I�ve had to create several of these by hand and I usually have 2 or 3 copies open at once, it makes the whole cut and paste thing much easier.

20)Copy the file /usr/lib/syslinux/flash.jpg from Toronto to the main usr/lib/syslinux/ in your Hard Drive installed area.

a.If you cant find flash. jpg (I never have) don�t sweat it, you will get a small error on boot, but that�s all. (comment: There is now a flash.jpg in the attached MCNL directory)

b. Alternatively you can create your own isolinux boot background.

c. It is a normal 640x480 jpg file.

21)If you want the special MCNLive scripts, all the �backup, persistent, re master scripts etc.

a.Using a Konquerors like that one you created in step 14 open up one over the Toronto root and go to /usr/local/bin and copy everything to your USB and or your Hard drive install. (comment: there are 8 files)

b.On your hard drive install, basically, you will want to copy ALL of the scripts from the Toronto folder into your hard drive�s /usr/local/bin

22)This SHOULD complete everything you need to do with the Toronto install cd, so at this point you can do a start/shutdown/restart on your system, Toronto should eject itself.

a.Once the cd ejects you can remove, press <enter> and your hard drive based system will boot up.

23)Once you have your hard drive install logged in and ready you need to open the MCC (start/system/configuration/configure your computer) and then go to Software and the installation section.

24) Once you have the search box available type in draklive-install and have the MCC see if it can find it in the repositories that you created in step 6.

a.This file is what will allow you to reinstall your Live CD/DVD back onto your hard drive in the case of an emergency.

b.On the off chance that MCC does NOT find it you can attempt a TERMINAL based install.

i.Open a console

ii.Type su <enter> root <enter>

iii.And then type urpmi draklive-install

(comment: the package the computer should find is �draklive-install-0.5-1mdv2007.1.noarch.rpm.� Install that version! Then you take the file from sbin MCNL �draklive-install� and replace it with the on you have installed on the computer � which you will also find in usr/sbin. The reason for this is if you use another version the computer will keep trying to update to the one you have installed above. You are, in fact replacing only the script and not the whole program!)

c.This SHOULD run through a series of command line installs that will actually install the draklive

d.If THAT still doesn�t work you SHOULD finally be able to get a copy from here: www.mcnlive.org/down/ but since this is a privately maintained site there�s no telling how long this information will be available.

i.If you choose to download it from the mcnlive site, when it downloads, MY recommendation is to SAVE it to your USB stick THEN let MCC install it. That way you will always have a copy.

ii.If you choose open when you double click on the name it will ask if you want to open it with the �installer� if you say yes, MCC will do its best to get everything installed for you.

25)Next you will need to download this syslinux prepackage and install it:

a.Once again this can TYPICALLY be done from the MCC/Software Install area

b.Occasionally you will have better luck going through the KONSOLE and using urpmi syslinux <enter>

c.HOWEVER, in some cases neither method will work and you will once again need to download a hard copy of that from:

d.http://home.tiscali.nl/berenstraat/mcnl/ and look for the file:

i.syslinux-3.36-5mcnl2007.1.i586.rpm

ii.Realize again that this is a privately hosted server so I would grab this and keep it safe.

iii.Also, this is a non-patched syslinux package with the vesa menu feature.

26)From here you will want to install the dependencies and the packages for zenity and bc

a.Very simply from your console type su <enter>

b.Put in your root password <enter>

c.Then type urpmi zenity <enter> which will grab the files from the net.

d.Then from the same Konsole window type urpmi bc

e.You�ll see the files roll by with their dependencies again and it will end at a command prompt

27) As we did earlier, I would recommend that you open a console type su <enter> and then kdesu conqueror <enter> this will open a ROOT controlled file browser as before.

28)Once that�s up you should navigate your way to /etc/ and look for a file called mtools.conf.

a.Once you find that RIGHT CLICK on that file and choose OPEN WITH and then choose whatever text editor is available to you (usually it will be Kate)

b.Scroll all the way to the end of the file and add the line: MTOOLS_SKIP_CHECK=1

29)AT this point everything should be in place, reboot your hard drive install and you should be ready to go!

30) BUT how can you be sure? Well NOW its time to make your VERY own live cd/DVD of your personally installed Linux system

31)Once your system is up and you have logged in there are a few things to verify before we start.

32) First off make sure you have NO other drives/partitions mounted.

 

a.This setup will NOT discriminate, and I�m SURE that there is a simple way around doing this, but I don�t know it yet so here�s what I do.

b.My main hard drive is a 320GB SATA drive, I use 50GB for my primary �/� system, so the remaining I format ext3 and give a weird mount point

c.The weird mount point is so that I can always find it.

d.In my case its /usr3

e.BEFORE I remaster MY installed system, I always go into MCC (start/system/configure your computer) and MOUNT points and unmount that drive.

i.This drive contains all my downloaded files and data and SHARED drives, so I don�t really need to carry it around with me.

ii.Leaving this device mounted will ALSO frequently make the resulting ISO way to big, and sometimes the mklivecd command will break in the middle as well.

33)Open a Konsole window and from the cli enter su <enter>, enter your root password (for your installed hard drive system) and hit enter

34)Then type the command df <enter> and this will display the SIZE of your installed system as well as the fact of whether you have any additional drives/partitions installed

a.You SHOULD only see one drive/partition listed something like /mnt/root / 2.4GB used 54GB free

b.Everyone�s hard drive install will look a little different, this is what MINE looks like.

c.As you can see my ENTIRE hard drive installed system in the �/� drive of my 56GB partition is only taking up 2.4GB and the remaining space is free

d.Remember the goal is not really to FILL that 56GB�s, that�s just work space and room to build my ISO�s

e.However it ALSO leaves me PLENTY of room to add anything that I want

35)Please don�t think I�m running a strictly barebones system, I have Gimp, Open Office, Audacity, amarok, Thunderbird, Opera and Pan installed, in addition to the traditional software that goes into a hard drive install.

a.However I DON�T have any games installed, another place to look is in the locales area. This is where MDV installs all the foreign languages.

i.Since I have barely mastered English that�s the only one I�m worried about/

b.You SHOULD be able to open MCC and un install the rest of the language support, but since I live in FL. I leave Spanish installed as well.

c.If you DO uninstall any of them WATCH the dependencies that are being uninstalled as well. You may need them later.

36)Once you know how big your installed system is, and you are pretty sure that with compression it will fit on a CD or DVD, it�s time to create your OWN!

37)While logged in as root (the su you performed earlier) at the cli type mklivecd --verbose mydate.iso <enter>

a.I include the date in the title of almost ALL my ISO�s, just because after you roll a few of them your gong to want to know hoe to use them!

b.Once you hit enter you SHOULD see a small welcome package and the, thanks to the --verbose command you should see a line fly by about EVERYTHING that is happening.

c.If you need some more options mklivecd �help should list everything available

38)There should be a series of statements that fly by as your ISO is created, for the first few re masters I would suggest that you watch these.

a.You can learn the process and maybe next time YOU can write the step by step instructions, or at least correct them!

b.Also it�s a GREAT place to watch for errors

c.When all is said and done, the last sentence before you are released to your CLI will be something along the lines of my082007.iso written 857000kb

d.That�s indicating that the ISO is written properly and takes up about 850MB, too big for a CD, grab a blank DVD

e.Insert the blank media in your drive and double click on the ISO image, usually it�s in your HOME directory, unless you pointed it elsewhere.

39)If you chose to install K3b or some other cd/DVD burner it should launch and in a few minutes you�ll have a FRESH copy of your own PERSONAL desktop on a live cd/DVD.

40)My suggestion is that you should re insert the disk, reboot the system and make SURE it works.

a.You may get a VALID written confirmation, and what appears to be a valid ISO, but when you try and RUN it, it fails.

b.Better to find that out NOW, then when you�re COUNTING on it for a restore.

41)Most of the errors that I have encountered have revolved around 2 things

a.The first is the image is TOO big.

i.When you do a df how much room does your whole Linux install take? I�ve worked with installs as large as 7.1 GB.

ii.Is there anything that you CAN or should remove before you start rolling?

1.For example I use firefox on almost every single pc I have, windows or Linux, but in THIS case I find that it brings a LOT of extra stuff with it, so for me Opera works just fine.

a.You could EVEN make a case for using just plain old Konqueror, but I have found some issues that occur with certain secure websites (my bank for example)

2.Another good example is Mail clients, I am a frequent user of Thunderbird, my wife likes Evolution, but it pulls in a LOT of GNOME with it.

a.So maybe a look at Kontact in conjunction with Kmail is the answer?

3.Then there is the issue of games.

a.Face it, they take up a LOT of space

b.�nuff said

iii.Also if you do a LOT of remastering like I do, you need to clean out some temp files every now and then.

1. for example /tmp/mklivecd.XXX is where failed builds live, and they eat up space QUICKLY

b.One of the other issues I FREQUESNTLY run into has to do with the mklivecd scripts not working correctly.

i.Remember we INTENTIONALLY installed the BAD broken scripts and then recopied a set of GOOD ones over the top.

ii.I�ve done this a DOZEN times and invariable every 3rd time, I fubar something in the copy and end up with a strange error.

1.HOWEVER, the good news is that IF you receive THIS error: ERROR: Unable to mount loop filesystem

Dropping you to a limited shell.

2.I can GUARANTEE that you need to reinstall your mklivecd scripts.

3.Matter of fact I typically will start from the top and work my way down through it all (except the HD install, that I�ll leave alone)

4.NOW You see why I suggest keeping all those files you download and copy in a safe 3rd area for reinstall purposes.

 

 

I installed 2007.1 and can�t login as ROOT!

1) The battle for ROOT/GUI logins continue!

2) Search ANY forum for ANY distribution and mention that you want to login

to KDE or GNOME as root, and the FLAME WARS will begin.

3) For some reason this is a VERY polarizing subject and to solve everything Mandriva has decided to make the standard installation without this ability.

4) Fear not, one of the reasons we USE open source is to change and personalize it in any way that we NEED, regardless of popular opinion.

5) This WILL require some Command Line work and some text editing skills

6) Open a terminal

7) From the command line type SU <enter> then the ROOT password <enter>

8) from the CLI cd /etc

9) that will put you in the etc subdirectory

10) then cd /kde

11) That will put you in /etc/kde

12) then cd/kdm

13) That will place you in /etc/kde/kdm subdirectory

14) Once there you will want to open a text editor, you can use ANY, but vi is installed in almost every Mandriva setup.

15) The file you�re looking for is kdmrc so vi kdmrc will open the file and ready it for editing

16) Once the file is open there are several methods of navigation, the simplest is to merely use your arrow keys to scroll through the file

17) You are searching for the line that says: AllowRootLogin=false

(please note Linux IS case sensitive)

18) From the END of the line backspace over the word false and set it =true

19) Again this is the SIMPLEST method, the current manual for vi is over 362 pages so there is a LOT of methods to use.

20) ESC will take you into command mode with a : at the bottom of the screen

21) from :wqall will WRITE your changes and QUIT all in one!

22) Again there are MANY different ways to do ANYTHING, this is just a simple one.

23) From here the NEXT time you login you will be allowed to login as ROOT

24) As a constant reminder that you ARE ROOT, your wallpaper will be RED.

25) The reason many folks don't agree with a root gui login is the sheer amount of mistakes that can CRIPPLE a PC logged in that way, so be careful!

(comment: most of what mindwave says is true. When you have done your first .iso and it works � then store it in a safe place. Before you do your next one add extras you want, personalize your settings etc and then create you next one. If when you run �df� you find your drive is getting too large, don't worry!! Even if you are up around 4GB that isn't a problem if you have used the compression option when using Easy Urpmi your iso image will be around 1.5GB. The thing is when you are installing to your hard drive you are more interested in keeping your settings etc, so that you don't have to start from Zero again!! Sorry, running on!! What ever you need give me or mindwave a shout.

One last thing! When you are about to create your next .iso check the files you have copied haven't been written over. Go through the check list from 16-26. Doesn't hurt to be careful. Don't install rosegarden it will break your creating .iso's!!)

Well, you could say that about now this is getting rather tedious!!

I followed the info via jkerr82508's link and rebooted to see what happens. Well, there was a modprob error on boot - and still no sound!!

I ran alsaconf again! These two came up on the sound card search:

Intel 8x0 Intel corporation 82801 FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) Ac'97

legacy=probe legacy isa (non-pnp) chips

I thought what the hell and ran alsaconf with the second entry and added the changes to modprobe.conf via alsaconf. As you might suspect, nothing happened!!

The strange thing is that I ran alsamixer after alsaconf and the same entry comes up whether I choose the first or second from above sound cards.

Intel ICH6

Analog Devices AD1986

I ran alsaconf again and chose the intel card and again save to modprob.conf via alsaconf. I then opened alsamixer and found the intel ICH6 listed, but when I checked modprob.conf no changes had been registered?!!

State of play at the moment - HELP!!

Sorry, having a bit of a breakdown!

I am very tempted to go back to the 2007.1 powerpack! Can't understand why I am problems with 2008? Never had to worry about my web cam on 2007.1?

Well, could do with a bit more advice on what route to take now!

Thanks

bookie

OK! I tried disconnecting the web cam - nada! I tried # modprobe snd-intel8x0 but still no sound.

This is a copy of alsamixer - showing my sound card?

Card: Intel ICH6 ?

? Chip: Analog Devices AD1986 ?

? View: [Playback] Capture All ?

? Item: Master [dB gain=-4.50, -4.50] ?

? ?

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? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ?

? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ?

? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? Shared ???? ?

? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ?

? ?OO? ?OO? ?OO? ?MM? ?OO? ?OO? ?OO? ?

? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ?

? 90<>90 74 74<>74 90<>90 77<>77 77 ?

? < Master >Master M Headphon Headphon PCM Surround Surround Center ?

????????????????????????????

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???????????????????????

This is modprobe.config:

alias eth0 b44

install scsi_hostadapter /sbin/modprobe ata_piix; /sbin/modprobe ahci; /sbin/modprobe usb_storage; /bin/true

install usb-interface /sbin/modprobe uhci_hcd; /sbin/modprobe ehci_hcd; /bin/true

install ide-controller /sbin/modprobe piix; /bin/true

This is modprobe.preload:

# /etc/modprobe.preload: kernel modules to load at boot time.

#

# This file should contain the names of kernel modules that are

# to be loaded at boot time, one per line. Comments begin with

# a `#', and everything on the line after them are ignored.

# this file is for module-init-tools (kernel 2.5 and above) ONLY

# for old kernel use /etc/modules

 

intel_agp

Well, there would appear to be something wrong with this picture - wouldn't you say!

OK scarecrow! Can you indicate where I should add my snd-intel8x0?

bookie

Hi to you jkerr82508! I do indeed have a web cam on that computer - a logitech quick cam pro 4000.

I haven't had time to check out your link yet! Looking for sympathy!! Having a bad back day can't concentrate so much!!

Getting too many such days!!

Thanks for stopping by. I will investigate your link and get back to you soon.

bookie

Hi Phydeaux, I have a few changes to make to the list and then I can attach here or mail it to you?

The list is a bit like asking some one who already knows - how to suck eggs!! The reason for it being idiot proof is that I'm the idiot that mindwave was trying to help and it sort of grew from that!!

Let me know how you would like the list and I will try my best to get it to you today sometime.

Having a hard time concentrating at the mo got a bad back again!!

all the best :lol2:

bookie

Hi again, well, scarecrow I tried what you said but I am afraid nothing worked!

I thought I'd give you the lsmod read out, so you can have a look at it.

[root@ROCKY bookie]# lsmod

Module Size Used by

ppdev 7844 0

parport_pc 32004 1

lp 10216 0

parport 31592 3 ppdev,parport_pc,lp

iptable_raw 2688 0

xt_comment 2336 0

xt_policy 4256 0

xt_multiport 3808 4

ipt_ULOG 7748 0

ipt_TTL 2656 0

ipt_ttl 2336 0

ipt_TOS 2560 0

ipt_tos 2176 0

ipt_SAME 2880 0

ipt_REJECT 4288 4

ipt_REDIRECT 2720 0

ipt_recent 8344 0

ipt_owner 2464 0

ipt_NETMAP 2656 0

ipt_MASQUERADE 3872 0

ipt_LOG 6560 10

ipt_iprange 2336 0

ipt_ECN 3200 0

ipt_ecn 2656 0

ipt_CLUSTERIP 7460 0

ipt_ah 2368 0

ipt_addrtype 2336 0

nf_nat_tftp 2208 0

nf_nat_snmp_basic 9732 0

nf_nat_sip 4768 0

nf_nat_pptp 3552 0

nf_nat_proto_gre 3012 1 nf_nat_pptp

nf_nat_irc 2816 0

nf_nat_h323 6720 0

nf_nat_ftp 3424 0

nf_nat_amanda 2560 0

ts_kmp 2592 5

nf_conntrack_amanda 4512 1 nf_nat_amanda

nf_conntrack_tftp 5492 1 nf_nat_tftp

nf_conntrack_sip 8788 1 nf_nat_sip

nf_conntrack_proto_sctp 8520 0

nf_conntrack_pptp 6176 1 nf_nat_pptp

nf_conntrack_proto_gre 5152 1 nf_conntrack_pptp

nf_conntrack_netlink 23936 0

nf_conntrack_netbios_ns 3104 0

i915 22688 2

drm 72628 3 i915

nf_conntrack_irc 6104 1 nf_nat_irc

nf_conntrack_h323 48156 1 nf_nat_h323

nf_conntrack_ftp 8800 1 nf_nat_ftp

xt_tcpmss 2688 0

xt_pkttype 2400 4

xt_physdev 3120 0

xt_NFQUEUE 2496 0

xt_NFLOG 2560 0

xt_MARK 2784 0

xt_mark 2400 0

xt_mac 2400 0

xt_limit 2944 0

xt_length 2464 0

xt_helper 2944 0

xt_hashlimit 8588 0

ip6_tables 12484 1 xt_hashlimit

xt_dccp 3556 0

xt_conntrack 3040 0

xt_CONNMARK 3200 0

xt_connmark 2688 0

xt_CLASSIFY 2368 0

xt_tcpudp 3680 11

xt_state 2752 6

iptable_nat 7396 0

nf_nat 16140 14 ipt_SAME,ipt_REDIRECT,ipt_NETMAP,ipt_MASQUERADE

,nf_nat_tftp,nf_nat_sip,nf_nat_pptp,nf_nat_proto_gre,nf_nat_irc,nf_nat_h323,nf_n

at_ftp,nf_nat_amanda,nf_conntrack_netlink,iptable_nat

nf_conntrack_ipv4 15148 8 iptable_nat

nf_conntrack 54984 29 ipt_MASQUERADE,ipt_CLUSTERIP,nf_nat_tftp,nf_nat

_snmp_basic,nf_nat_sip,nf_nat_pptp,nf_nat_irc,nf_nat_h323,nf_nat_ftp,nf_nat_aman

da,nf_conntrack_amanda,nf_conntrack_tftp,nf_conntrack_sip,nf_conntrack_proto_sct

p,nf_conntrack_pptp,nf_conntrack_proto_gre,nf_conntrack_netlink,nf_conntrack_net

bios_ns,nf_conntrack_irc,nf_conntrack_h323,nf_conntrack_ftp,xt_helper,xt_conntra

ck,xt_CONNMARK,xt_connmark,xt_state,iptable_nat,nf_nat,nf_conntrack_ipv4

iptable_mangle 2976 1

nfnetlink 5080 4 nf_conntrack_netlink,nf_nat,nf_conntrack_ipv4,nf

_conntrack

iptable_filter 3136 1

ip_tables 11396 4 iptable_raw,iptable_nat,iptable_mangle,iptable_f

ilter

x_tables 12036 44 xt_comment,xt_policy,xt_multiport,ipt_ULOG,ipt_

TTL,ipt_ttl,ipt_TOS,ipt_tos,ipt_SAME,ipt_REJECT,ipt_REDIRECT,ipt_recent,ipt_owne

r,ipt_NETMAP,ipt_MASQUERADE,ipt_LOG,ipt_iprange,ipt_ECN,ipt_ecn,ipt_CLUSTERIP,ip

t_ah,ipt_addrtype,xt_tcpmss,xt_pkttype,xt_physdev,xt_NFQUEUE,xt_NFLOG,xt_MARK,xt

_mark,xt_mac,xt_limit,xt_length,xt_helper,xt_hashlimit,ip6_tables,xt_dccp,xt_con

ntrack,xt_CONNMARK,xt_connmark,xt_CLASSIFY,xt_tcpudp,xt_state,iptable_nat,ip_tab

les

af_packet 17960 0

snd_usb_audio 76032 1

snd_seq_dummy 3492 0

ipv6 250084 15 nf_conntrack_h323

snd_seq_oss 29888 0

snd_seq_midi_event 6912 1 snd_seq_oss

snd_seq 46800 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event

snd_pcm_oss 37216 0

snd_mixer_oss 14784 1 snd_pcm_oss

video 15080 0

thermal 11304 0

sbs 16520 0

processor 25796 1 thermal

fan 4260 0

container 4032 0

button 6576 0

dock 7600 0

battery 10344 0

ac 4452 0

ide_cd 35200 0

binfmt_misc 9416 1

loop 14276 0

nls_iso8859_1 4672 1

nls_utf8 2496 1

ntfs 252840 2

dm_mirror 20224 0

dm_mod 48064 1 dm_mirror

piix 9028 0 [permanent]

usb_storage 90276 0

ide_core 99748 3 ide_cd,piix,usb_storage

floppy 54052 0

cpufreq_ondemand 7340 1

cpufreq_conservative 6600 0

cpufreq_powersave 2240 0

p4_clockmod 4996 1

speedstep_lib 5028 1 p4_clockmod

freq_table 4512 2 cpufreq_ondemand,p4_clockmod

pwc 81952 0

compat_ioctl32 1920 1 pwc

videodev 27296 1 pwc

v4l2_common 16064 1 videodev

v4l1_compat 14308 1 videodev

usblp 11936 0

snd_usb_lib 15264 1 snd_usb_audio

snd_rawmidi 19456 1 snd_usb_lib

snd_seq_device 7276 4 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi

snd_hwdep 7492 1 snd_usb_audio

b44 24304 0

ssb 31364 1 b44

pcmcia 33260 1 ssb

pcmcia_core 33108 1 pcmcia

mii 5280 1 b44

snd_intel8x0 29404 3

i2c_i801 8528 0

i2c_core 20224 1 i2c_i801

snd_ac97_codec 96836 1 snd_intel8x0

ac97_bus 2752 1 snd_ac97_codec

snd_pcm 69636 5 snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm_oss,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_

codec

snd_timer 19652 3 snd_seq,snd_pcm

snd 45092 18 snd_usb_audio,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_pcm_oss,s

nd_mixer_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_hwdep,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,sn

d_pcm,snd_timer

soundcore 6624 1 snd

snd_page_alloc 8456 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm

iTCO_wdt 9632 0

iTCO_vendor_support 3940 1 iTCO_wdt

sr_mod 15236 0

intel_agp 22132 1

agpgart 27656 3 drm,intel_agp

tsdev 7104 0

joydev 8800 0

evdev 8448 4

sg 30552 0

ext3 118408 1

jbd 50504 1 ext3

scsi_wait_scan 1984 0

sd_mod 26272 6

ahci 19428 0

ata_piix 12132 4

libata 108848 2 ahci,ata_piix

scsi_mod 125356 6 usb_storage,sr_mod,sg,scsi_wait_scan,sd_mod,liba ta

usbhid 38880 0

ff_memless 5448 1 usbhid

ehci_hcd 30668 0

uhci_hcd 22832 0

usbcore 113576 9 snd_usb_audio,usb_storage,pwc,usblp,snd_usb_lib, usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd

[root@ROCKY bookie]#

If you have any more ideas, I am all ears - promise!!

bookie

OK scarecrow! Point taken! I will follow your advice and get back to you.

Thanks for being patient!!

bookie

Well, adamw! It was like I said a typo. The driver is as you stated snd-intel8x0. That sort of brings me back to the question "have you any suggestions now".

!t is a bit quiet without sound!!

bookie

Hi Adam, you seem to have had good beach weather!! Nice to hear from you!

Nice to know that you have time for us old fogies! Sorry, it is probably a typo! I know that my sound card is a SoundMax integrated digital audio - quite common on Dell computers.

Can't understand why I am not getting any sound then? I will check to make sure that I haven't done a typo later today. Time here in Sweden is almost 1 am. While it is not unusual for me to burn the midnight oil - tonight is a bad back night, so I end up in front of the computer!!

Sorry, can't check my Dell computer because it is in the master bedroom! Can I reinstall the driver? If so, can you give me some tips on that. I now have alsaconfig installed - which usually works - but not this time.

Hope you had a good holiday! We haven't any major snow here in Sundsvall, Sweden. Sundsvall is in about the middle of Sweden by the coast.

I have lived here 12 years now and have noticed climate changes! I even experienced my first Christmas last year without snow?!!

The snow usually gets here in the end and usually lots of it!

Speak to you later.

bookie

Hi guys!

Phydeaux it would seem that Kris over at MCNLive cd has dropped out of the development of MCNLive cd.

Mindwave and I took the livecd to another level and used Mandriva spring, powerpack, and powerpack plus which we installed on the computer made a basic live cd and then added all the programs settings etc that we wanted and made a new cd.

The thing with making a new one when you add new programs etc is that you run all the scripts for creating your live cd again in case your updates have written over them.

Sorry, getting ahead of myself! If you would like the live cd version or the one that is a copy of your current settings, which I feel is more useful in case of crashes etc, then I can mail you what you can do with a to do list!

Mindwave, however, is the one who really developed the live cd to a new level and has started a website for that perpose, if I am not mistaken. Not got the address handy!!

Mindwave like most of the guys here at mandrivausers.org are absolutely brilliant at solving most problems!!

Please drop mindwave a line or let me know if you want me to help you. Really don't want to take the credit away from mindwave but would like to help you if I can!!

The downside to all of this is 2008 seems to be along way off from being released as a livecd version!!

bookie

Thanks to AussieJohn and Scarecrow for dropping by! Nice to hear from you again. Have to say I do miss you guys when things are going OK!

One sort of tries to think of something to post about just to have a chat with you all!

Anyway, silly old git you are probably thinking! Down to business. Scarecrow I have checked the driver in the hardware section and it is the one you mentioned "snd-intel8x0m" and I have tried alsamixer and the settings are all live!

Do apologize for not giving that info when I started the thread!

Not sitting by that computer at the mo (girlfriend asleep, only 6am here in Sweden) I will give you some more info about the computer later today!

What I can tell you it is a Dell Dimension 5000. I did notice that when I checked the hardware section that there were two other drivers mentioned to try. Have noted them down on paper but in the bedroom!!

Something that I would like to know while we are on the subject of drivers for different hardware. I haven't had to add a driver in Linux and wouldn't have much of a clue how to go about changing to another one.

When I had powerpack 2007 on that computer - it didn't work straight out of the box either, but all I had to do was tick for using the sound system and save and reboot and all was right with the world. If I remember correctly, an error window opened after installing 2007.

What I would be interested in knowing - if Adam is around? What driver was used for the intel integrated sound card I have in 2007? I didn't make a note of it when using 2007!!!

I do really appreciate the upgrades they do to distros. It's that keeps us coming back for more. Just wish they'd leave alone things that are already working OK!

bookie

PS Did I miss your birthday AussieJohn?