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The site crashed while I was at work. I was lost, I had to work yesterday

 

Its been so long that I forgot what it was like

Did you catch the new "cycle" :deal:

 

I always thought that they needed a longer cycle. Looks like I got my wish. Also looks like I may have to move away from kde...

It died. It got "Farked"

 

http://www.fark.com

 

anything that shows up on this blog usually getts flooded with traffic. They call it getting "Farked"

From fark.com

 

Code name "smack the penguin"

 

http://www.mironov.net/pingu/pingu.htm

 

I got 315ft!!

To add some other stuff.

 

True as stated above a Distro is a Distro. I was only trying to point out some differences between the two no matter how small. As corrected, some things may appear different but it is only because of personal setup of the Distro.

 

One difference I did find that was not subject to my input was automatic hardware detection and setup. Now this was just me on my machine that I can speak for, but as stated about I was impressed with acpi and my winmodem setup at first boot.

 

I tried to explain what I thought about each Distros "installer". I had forgotton to mention that I thought urpmi was the best installer/dependency application. I have read articles (some recent) saying they hatted the "dependency hell" of .rpm. If you just "rpm -Uvh" you may be in for a long night. Stuff like yast, apt-get, and urpmi have solved those issues for their Distro.

You are correct bvc.

 

I am sorry, I got you confussed with cyberjackle with the "Distro Ho". I ment no offense in any of my posts.

 

What I am finding out also was the "procs". In SUSE I was in the 70 - 80's but in MDK I was over 100. I realized I forgot to go into the "services" tab of MCC and take away all the bs stuff I dont need.

 

You are right I have tried a few

 

Mandrake 6, 8-9.2

Yoper

JAMD

Gentoo

Redhat9

Fedora Core1

Slackware9 (for about 2 days)

 

What you may have noticed in this list is a Deb Distro. Due to this forum I may try one:

ftp://mandrake-forum.org/pub/Debian/Net_install/

 

Great thing about mandrakeusers.org is its a Mandrake forum but others are welcome.

 

And the flames are not to hard and fast :P

From bvc

Speed? Pick a distro.

 

Ha! This is from the "Distro Ho" :P

 

I like SUSE a lot. But I KNOW that Mandrake is home for me. I have tried a few Distros here and there. The only other one I liked for every day use was SUSE9.0. Things do change

 

Like I said, I plan on buying MDK10.0 when it comes out. To be honest I still boot to MDK everyday to figure out how something is done just to go back to SUSE and fix a problem.

http://www.mandrakeusers.org/index.php?showtopic=10353

Ive been stuck on NeverWiter Nights for the longest time. Native installer works good to.

By the way I tried Fedora with no luck. When it get to the "transfering hd image" it tells me not enough hd space on a 15gb partition. It worked good on my AMD800 Desktop.

Not to sure. I started the install and went to bed the first time. Figure about 1.5gb download. (give or take) depens I guess on what you want to install.

 

By the way did you check out the "Downloads" button above? (top of Forum) then click "Misc" folder...

 

:D

Sometimes Disk 1 burns bad. If you have used it before and it worked then Im not sure.

 

Looking at your computer specs again SUSE many be a bit much. Wont hurt to try though. The ftp install is not hard, jusy know your NIC module. Of course a must is a broad band connection. Check the downloads section above also.....

 

or Try

 

PCLinuxOS

 

its beta but it still rocks.

did you check you md5sums of the Disk1?

 

Have you tried SUSE?

Well its been some time since I started with SUSE (a little under a month). I still haven’t tried a whole lot but I got some more to say after some time using it.

 

I’m going try and explain the differences I have had on my personal Laptop. I currently have SUSE9.0 (from here) and Mandrake9.2 (Download)

 

SUSE - 199 (default kernel)

MDK - 2.4 mm kernel

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HPze5185 Laptop

2.4ghz P4

512mb DDR SDRam

15" SXGA+ TFT

CDRW/DVD Drive

60gb HD

ATI M6 (32mb)

3.5mb Floppy

V.90 Modem

2 USB (1.1)

1 Firewire

I can add some details later when I’m home.

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First me put on my flame vest :D

 

>>>>Speed

Ok speed is comparable to MDK with the multimedia kernel. What I mean by speed was how fast programs open / close. Transfer files. Mandrake bootup is much faster than SUSE.

One test I did was with NWN. Now with a ATI w/32mb of ram I can’t expect much:

 

Mandrake -

Sound quality was bad. Video was skipping to the point that I had to lower the video settings to make the game playable. Had to use "nice -n -15" to get it to work smooth.

 

SUSE -

Sound and video worked well. Could raise the setting up quite a bit. No "nice" needed.

 

>>>>.rpm dependency solvers

Mandrake -

urpmi. works good for updates and install. Not very good with system upgrades (from experience). Love the fact of cd (ing) to the directory that has a .rpm to install then:

urpmi yourpackage.rpm

 

If dependency issues are needed it will handle them during then install. apt-get and synaptic are available by Texstar for 9.1. I never got around to try it with MDK. I have a large (over 1gb) loacl samba directory of Mandrake .rpms. no problem:

 

genhdlist /mnt/VOLUME/RPMS

 

then

urpmi.addmedia /mnt/VOLUME/RPMS with hdlist.cz

 

SUSE -

Well SUSE has its own installer in YAST. unfortunately I had no luck with it. It could install from the original 5cds but when I tried to add a local .rpm directory it would crash on me.

apt-get / synaptic

I was familiar with these from Fedora Core1. From my limited knowledge I did not like the way it handles dependency issues. I may be wrong but this is how I had to install a local .rpm in a directory:

 

cd to directory

apt-get install yourpackage.rpm --nodeps

apt-get -f install

 

2 steps to install a .rpm. Like I said their may be a better way. To get my 1.2gb of local SUSE rpms (from previous update) I had to use apt4rpm. I was not to familiar with it but learned enough to use it (Me thinks)

 

Found this:

http://freevo.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/AptGet

 

Changed the script to match my settings. In my sources.list added the local directory and apt-get update. All worked well. What I liked is it made a “base” directory in my /home then sym linked all the .rpms from my local samba file server (/mnt/VOLUME/local.rpms). So it did not take up any space on my /home partition. (this may be old hat for most but I thought it was cool). Also I have read that apt-get does a better job with system upgrades than urpmi.

 

>>>>Updates

Mandrake-

Urpmi via the PLF site. Then:

 

urpmi –auto-select –no-verify-rpm

 

Update went smooth. All updated files in my local directory that mirror the one from web sites were used first. Only problem, I had to update-menus –v to get back my menus.

 

SUSE

Well since I had most of the update files on a local network computer I had to use synaptic (apt4rpm). Could have used apt-get but I used the GUI. After update all was smooth. One note: I had to change my grub menu file manually (I read that I had to somewhere)

 

>>>>Notables

to get my usb joystick to work:

Mandrake – add joydev in /etc/modules.conf (I think it was that one)

SUSE – just worked. Joydev added automatically

 

Modem (winmodem)

Mandrake – never worked (never tried to get it to work)

SUSE – First boot it found it a loaded drivers – works

 

Acpi (cpu temp, battery state, poweroff) don’t use suspend (breaks on Window$ too)

Mandrake – had to add acpi=on nolapic into lilo, then urpmi acpi

SUSE – works first boot

 

My usb camera card reader

Mandrake – plugin reader, mount it (/mnt/removable) and it works. No configuration needed.

SUSE – plugin reader, mount it (/media/sr1) and it works. No configuration needed.

 

Software

Even with apt-get for SUSE, Mandrake just has more to choose from so far. This was based of adding all repositories listed in PcLinuxOnline.com for each Distro. I had found myself “googleing” to find some apps for SUSE that Mandrake has (smb4k, nano)

 

Support (as in online free)

Mandrake wins hands down. Something about mandrakeusers.org. Aslo finding a large English speaking (or writing) forum for SUSE is difficult. I did found:

http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/

with 347 members and after about a month I see only one person answer most of the questions.

 

SUSE’s menu icons. I don’t know about everyone else but on first boot I found about 15 or 20 apps in the menu with no icons. I understand the SUSE uses the standard linux menu but it needs work (IMO). Such as kget was not in the internet menu. Some programs didn’t even show up on the menu (some games). KDE control center in SUSE looks good. They included the YAST menu into the kcontrol. Nice touch. YAST=MCC in most cases. In SUSE I have a libsmbclient problem. I cant smb:/ in to see my local network. Their seems to be a bug:

http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66381

 

The more I work with MDK9.2 the more I personally preferred 9.1 with Texstar .rpms. I haven’t tried the 2.6 kernel with SUSE. 2.6 with Mandrake was easy and it worked. After my update on SUSE via synaptic I lost GNOME. When I boot to GNOME all I see is garbage. No icons and an unreadable menu. To put it simple – GNOME broke. This is probably an isolated case with me though. Thank god I use KDE.

 

The End Result:

First I am by no means a power user. I use Linux for all day-to day stuff. I learn from breaking it. I cant program at all, but I have made some VERY BASIC scripts to make my life easier. I have learned alot about Linux and I am comfortable in CLI.

Im going to SUSE as my day-to-day Distro. I still plan in buying Mandrake10 when it comes out. Looking back the turning point for me started with the loss of Texstar. My personal opinion was that Mandrake was silly not to hire him to promote Mandrake to the home user. I could not switch to SUSE so easy if it was not for the support that Mandrake has. I am curious to see how a Distro upgrade with SUSE would go. Besides Gentoo I have not found a Distro that upgrades easy. Remember my post on Distro upgrades?

http://www.mandrakeusers.org/index.php?sho...wtopic=8001&hl=

 

I think that is what stops some from coverting to Linux. A 6month cycle on Distro's. Frankly I could go for yearly and 4-6 month beta testing. Maybe the end product would be more stable. With SUSE now belonging to Novell I hope it well promote english support. I had a hard enought time getting through school. Unlike other countries, most American schools dont start you on a second language until middle school (10 thru 14years old). Common action in the US is if children are failling, they just lower the standard. My first course was in 10th grade (Spanish). Cant remember any of it (Im 30 now). From my posting here you can guess that me english aint to well either.

 

I want the currency/upgrade ability of Gentoo, support and packages of Mandrake, and the hadware setup / ease of use of SUSE. Not to much to ask huh?

 

I know others tried SUSE from this site. How did it turn out for you??

May want to post your XF86Config-4 file as well.

I know how you feel. Seems since 9.2 every time I did any update the menu would disappear.

 

Something I had to relookup was the command:

 

update-menus -v

 

That should refresh/reload your menu items. As for the update I have ran rather smooth with it after the reload of the menu.

I may have found out how

 

http://freevo.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/AptGet

 

Ill get back in the morning. Im going to bed....

Try this:

 

Open KDE Control center. In there youll see "File Associations" In that option select "inode"

 

click "directory"

 

on the right see if konqueror is at the top. If not slect it and click Move up. Hit apply.

 

You may need to log back in. Not sure.

Did a google on alien

"Alien is a program that converts between the rpm, dpkg, stampede slp, and slackware tgz file formats."

 

Thanks Ill use that for something else

 

but Im trying to make a "list" file for apt-get that is the same as hdlist.cz for urpmi. I have about 1gb of .rpms on a local computer. I cant get apt-get to work with it. with urpmi I just did

 

genhdlist /route/to/rpms/folder

 

and it made the hdlist.cz in that folder.

 

How do I do this for apt-get?

I have read a few apt-get how to's but the commands they tell me to do don't work except one. Or they were ment for deb files and when I try to change it to rpm is does not work.

 

What I am looking for is a equivalent to genhdlist command. I have a lot of SUSE and MDK rpms in different directories. form my MDK .rpms Ill do a genhdlist to made the hdlist.cz. What is the apt-get version.

 

I tried this in my sources.list

 

files are on a local serve in /mnt/VOLUME/rpms.locaL

 

so in my sources.list

 

rpm-dir file:///mnt VOLUME local

 

This works. A little. You see when I do the apt-get update it will take about 1 hour to complete. The directory has about 1gb of data. There has to be a way to make the apt-get version of hdlist.cz.

Not sure if everyone has read these, but take a look at what Novell has been doing the for the "Linux" community. They sound like they hate SCO more than anyone.

 

http://www.novell.com/licensing/indemnity/legal.html

I think I had a similar question a little while ago try this:

http://www.mandrakeusers.org/index.php?sho...topic=10530&hl=

I have not used Gentoo in a while so I just throw some stuff at ya and maybe it will ring a bell.

 

Scan the NVIDIA forum for problems or maybe an older driver?

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdispl...p?s=&forumid=14

 

Check out the Minion

http://www.minion.de/

 

Scan the Gentoo forum :o

http://forums.gentoo.org/

 

 

May be stupid but:

what about moving every source but the 2.6 out of /usr/src then try emerge nvidia-kernel. Just make sure you put the others sources back after your done.

This may even give you an error you can work with.

 

This page has something about a /sys and sysfs in fstab

http://thomer.com/linux/migrate-to-2.6.html

 

Sorry not much help here...

I agree

 

Matter of fact we talked about this a while ago.

http://www.mandrakeusers.org/index.php?sho...wtopic=8001&hl=

 

I stuck with mandrake. But with the SUSE I just installed we will see. We all know urpmi cant handle complete Distro upgrades very well. From what I have heard apt-get / synaptic does a better job.

 

I did a ftp install of SUSE at the beginning of this thread. All went well until I did a complete upgrade via apt-get. It would freeze hard all the time after that. Thing is I cant remember if I had the unstable stuff listed in sources.list

 

So I may try again now since I have the 5cds. I have learned from multiple installs to use the --noclean option or copy all files prior to apt-get clean. Then I can use my local mirror to upgrade/update the Distro.

 

I have tried / liked Gentoo. I just didn't like the looooong time it took to install a program. 10hrs for OpenOffice.org!! I know its real optimized. Frankly with my 2.4ghz laptop I don't care, every distro is fast for me But I really like the fact that it was one of the most updated distros. After the first install no never have to do it again.

 

I Just prefer .rpm Distro's. I must admit I have never tried a Debian type distro yet.

By the way, welcome to the board