Reiver_Fluffi

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Nice, what gtk engine/theme is that?

Hmmm, not yer typical rant, not irrational anough, not enough drama! :D

Joking aside, some really interesting points from that livejournal article, I was naver a big fan of Suse in the first place though.

yeah, but you can set that up.

 

if i need a sudo terminal, i typically do a sudo bash or something similar. i'm impressed with it. i'm a little weirded out that with edgy they've moved the info in the formerly /etc/inittab file elsewhere.

IIRC Edgy Eft uses upstart, which might explain why /etc/inittab has changed

It looks nice, but I hate the way they enforce sudo on you, and not give you a root account that you can easily use "su" with.

Yeah that is a pain, and the fact that the expert installer mucked up my volumes for fedora, rendering my fedora install unusable :huh:

Using Fedora makes me realise why I like Mandriva so much. I have all I need in the repo's. Even Fedora doesn't have everything. win32-codecs for one, no rpm install, you have to use tarball. OK, no great problem.

 

I wanted joomla the other day, nope doesn't exist in Fedora or even the livna/freshrpms repositories. Yet it exists in Mandriva's! :P

 

Don't get me wrong, I like Fedora, but I like the availability of being able to install packages easily, regardless of whether it's urpmi/yum/pacman or whatever. I only want to go to source/tarballs when it's really necessary.

 

For me, I think I have a good classification. Fedora for work, Mandriva for home.

I agree with you in:

Using Fedora makes me realise why I like Mandriva so much.

I have found that, Mandriva linux is the relatively wide acceptable linux distro among users in Public Services and self-gov.. I essence it is very simple and clear (of course not flawless)in both Installation and Use manners. The average PC users world wide are not IT prof.s. Simply they want to use some apps on home or office computers. Believe me they are the majority. So it is unwise to neglect them, especially if we want to allure them to the Linux world.Thanks.

 

Fahd

I wouldn't say that a distro like fedora was for "pro's" only, after all I use it (which is saying something) :D

We should have a smilie for "gob-smacked" for stuff like this :D

A lot of people around here can be unfair towards Mandriva,

To be fair they bring that on themselves, your "donation" (subs) to the club, is set out and seen as a commercial contract by Mandriva, yet you are expected to see it as a donation, and not as a contract, when really it is a binding commercial contract, a fact that cannot be disputed by corporate spin, not very fair is it? This is bad business, and if Mandriva receives any short-comings due to it, then I have no sympathy as it is their own fault. Mandriva is a business built around linux, it is not "linux" itself (note the quotes). Would you happily pay for a half cooked burger and accept it, are the monies you exchanged for said burger...a donation?

Man, you do NOT need to join their paid community IMHO!!!

This forum is far the BEST one out there! And you will learn MANY things for FREE!!!!!!!!!

 

And as the distro is concerned, you can get free installation DVDs in magazins - check your local retail library for this.. or you can also download - the Gurus here can tell you more about this.

 

Greetz!

I'm with Wakish on this one, there's no real benefit in joining the club, unless you want some extra toys and want to make a donation to the Mandriva Board of Directors

I downloaded the installation scrip and run the script. Tried to follow the configuration steps but I am not sure if I got it right. Now I gor a new entry in my start menu with ATi logo, but there is no respond whatsoever when I click on it.

 

Help me please....

did you run:

aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf

?

I have a habit of always locking my desktop now. After working in London, my colleagues used to take advantage of unlocked systems and send emails to your boss/whoever and say you loved them. Was funny, but everyone knew when such email arrived it was from a compromised system :-)

 

That and we used to put sellotape on the bottom of mouses so the ball didn't work. Or re-arrange the letters on the keyboard so they couldn't find the letters. Moving the Z and the X about was enough to confuse people. Or find a word that contains one of each letter, and spell it out on the keyboard re-arranging the letters. Like "Linux" or something more naughty :P

Yeah we had a joker like that in my previous workplace, although their methods went a bit further, one example was to get the autocomplete in M$ Word to change "the" into any obscenity you desired. :D

Unfortunately I left me gnome session unlocked, my missus took advantage of this and vandalised my desktop........

This is of course how it should have looked:

It makes sense to me for Gael to keep it under wraps until he has something working reasonably well to show off. I'm going to wait and see before passing judgement. So many great inventions have been preceded by 'it will never work' type comments that we ought to have learnt by now to wait and see. :P

 

Leo

I wouldn't say that it will never work, at least not in a technical sense, but from the perspective of the users, and their neads in terms of functionality, I do have my doubts. I would like to wish Gael all the best in this venture, the guy has mouths to feed, not helped by Mandriva turning their backs on him like they did, without Gael, the Mandriva fat cats wouldn't be where they are today.

Judging from their website, Ulteo is not just a dumbed down terminal. It's just one application of the OS.

September, 27th 2006 - About the Ulteo Connected Desktop Following the Linux Format coverage, it seems that there is a need to provide a few additional details about the Connected Desktop: the Ulteo Connected Desktop is going to provide a way to use the Ulteo OS within the web-browser, for free. Of course, the Connected Desktop is a part of the Ulteo concept, which also includes an installable and free operating system for PC. The Connected Desktop will be introduced soon.

Yeah, but that's not really what the real fuss is about, or the core obective of the project, at least that's how I see it.

AFAIK it comes with 3 months Cedega subscription. Also this years Mandriva box contains Flatout, and LinDVD. So this year you actually get something for your money.

Support in the club forum is a hell of a lot more better since Adam and RJ are there. But you can use the club forum for free. There is a free membership called Aluminium or Alumni.

IIRC Aluminium is for users that simply join for free, where as Alumi are past subscribers, who have ceased their paid subscription.

Should we anticipate for some kind of Windows-Linux hybrid or a total annihilation of one of the software giants?

Doubt it. No hybrids, and I don't think Novell is looking to be annihilated. As far as the patent agreement, I wonder about it's legality. Unless Novell somehow licenses the patents...and even then, both could get into trouble for anti-trust issues - only allowing one company the rights to patents and not opening it up to other Linux distributions on a fair level, effectively killing the competition? Smells like lawsuit to me. I'd look for Red Hat to call foul on this, and slam MS and Novell. Best to do it in the EU, too, as in the USA they're unlikely to get anywhere.

Yeah, it would be interesting to see what the EU's monopolies commision has to say about this, no doubt we will get a commentary soon.

I must admit, after I found out that he uses Kubuntu as a base and after I read the first Gael-interviews and the first "peek-previews", I completely lost interest in that project.

I'm with arctic on this one, the whole concept sounds great, I don't see it meeting much success in practical terms. Enterprise desktops should be efficient, I can't see how this "dumb" terminal idea will work for a full OS. Some web based applications work, some don't, I feel that a web based OS is too big conceptually to be built on an application/server environment. Fair enough, so many years down the line, as technology improves, I would say yes this would work with some success, but not now, at least that's my opinion. Gael had a great innovation with Mandrake back in 1998, and he achieved so much, but that success will be hard to replicate, sometimes the opportunity only comes round once in a lifetime, I can't see this project sustaining the needs of the market today, and I can't see how Gael could maintain it financially until the time when the market needs and can accommodate this concept. JMHO

My point is one of principle. (as usual) I maintain that I should be able to get my laptop running via wireless. All I need is ndiswrapper on the disk. Mandriva is one that does this. That's right, Mandriva allows me to configure my wireless without being on-line. I am being harsh. But, I find this rather fundamental. I do not think that Mandriva is the only distro that I can get working without a net connection.

 

Now one could complain that any wireless device using ndiswrapper should be shunned. On principle I might agree. But I already own my laptop and do not have the funds to toss it and get another.

I see your point, but in the same respect is the problem really with the distro and it's principle to support open technologies, or the hardware vendor for not supporting their hardware on an open platform? After all, IMHO, one of the biggest issues with linux is hardware support and vendors co-operating with the open source community, not which distro provider chooses to ship closed source software within it's official releases as a matter of principle.

Fedora is still a semi-flop!

In order to get my laptop working, I must hook up via ethernet to get ndiswrapper. But this time, the default kernel is i386, and yum wishes to use i686 rpm's, as well it should. And my box won't let got of the i386 kernel! What a joke!!!

Quite harsh to be honest, as jlc said the kernel issue is unfortunately a known bug, and to be honest, you wouldn't be the first person to have ony sort of issues with wireless drivers with any distribution. Most distro's "do" require some work to get them up and running "as intended", why should Fedora be branded a flop for falling into that category. By that logic "all" distro's would be flops :huh:

Your using the radeon driver to and not the fglrx so that doesn't work for me (x1400) :)

Yup, I only have a 9550 on my box

Compiz is now working, although I will be damned if I knew what the problem was, I haven;t really changed anything.......the joys :D

How did you get it working? This is my first ati card in my laptop, and um I feel like a noob..... :o

Uhm, not really sure, compiz is installed by default, my current xorg.conf is like this:

# Xorg configuration created by system-config-display

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier	 "single head configuration"
Screen	  0  "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice	"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"

EndSection

Section "Module"
Load   "dri"
Load   "extmod"
Load   "glx"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver	  "kbd"
Option		"XkbModel" "pc105"
Option		"XkbLayout" "gb"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "Videocard0"
Driver	  "radeon"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device	 "Videocard0"
DefaultDepth	 24
SubSection "Display"
	Viewport   0 0
	Depth	 24
	Modes	"1024x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "800x600" "640x480" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "Extensions"
	Option	  "Composite"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
	Group		0
	Mode		 0666
EndSection

Althoug, I had to add the modules, Extensions and DRI sections manually. It's quite a basic xorg.conf compared to my fc5 xorg.conf

Thanks for the tip, inserting localhost into the script works. I do wonder if my code example was misleading though, <user> is actually replaced by my username, there's only one other user, and that's my partner, and she doesn't tend to touch scripts at all. I am still curious though as to whether I can get the script to work with the password though. Anyone know what damage "could" be done, if any with a nested X server?

Hey guy,

As many of you may be aware, there's a problem with running Java apps while using compiz (or at least at the moment for FC6).

Anyway, I have set up sudo to allow my user like this:

<user>   ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/Xnest

The reason I use no pass is because there's more than one command, and the ampersands screw with the password entry:

#!/bin/bash
sudo Xnest -ac :1 &
export DISPLAY=:1
metacity &
<app-name> &

The ampersands are necessary for this to work (as far as I know), by using NOPASSWD with Xnest am I leaving myself vulnerable? If so can anyone suggest how to ammend the script to get over the ampersand on line 1 from interfering with the password entry for sudo?

Cheers

EDIT

Wrong forum :unsure:, someone move to other distribs please :D

My spangly new FC6 desktop:

Does anaconda finds other OSes allready installed (because in fc4 it didn't)?

To be honest I can't answer that, maybe someone else can, I did a fresh install, I knew what my partitions where, I did the job myself.

Compiz is now working, although I will be damned if I knew what the problem was, I haven;t really changed anything.......the joys :D

I think we should ask arctic to make his review of FC6 like he had done previously.

 

are you suggesting that we make him work and us reap the benefits? if so, i wholeheartedly agree.

 

jk arctic. seriously, if you have any comments though that'd rock.

I'm using it at the moment, the boot isn't that much faster, but gnome is very quick to start up. Having troubles configuring compiz though, can't seem to find any documentation useful to me at the moment, not helped by the fact that anaconda gave me a dumbed down xorg.conf. That aside, everything else is working, although I had problems with the fglrx rpms at livna at first, this was due to anaconda installing a i586 kernel, and not a i686 as expected.