neighborlee

Mandriva already has a crashandler called drakbug. You can see it if any of the drakxtools is crashing. Otherwise the KDE and GNOME has its own crashandler AFAIK.

ah ok I didnt know about drakxtools, whatever that is :)/...but anyway yes gnome has some util that sends in a error report from a crash , and while ive seen kde do something similar usuallly it gives those 'no debug symbols found' error so I wasn't sure ....

to other poster: gdb is for manually getting a debug session , but I was looking for the automated crash handler that does what both windows, and now gnome does where it actually takes over and sends in report instead of user having to wade through a confusing bugzilla site ;)

thx

nl

;)

Hi there..

I am just wondering,,as ubuntu and windows have, does mandriva have ( or is planned if not ) a crash handler that makes it easy to deal with crashes and sends in the crash report in the process or at least makes it easy for people ( especially someone not incredibly puter liberate ) to do so ?

cheers

nl

Whether or not you are impressed with "whizzing posts" is your own problem. I do not have your experience and can only speak from my years of servicing the product that you admire, Windows. Don't get me wrong; as long as Microsoft keeps producing their buggy software, I have a business servicing it. So I say "go for it." But as far as comparisons to Linux, you clearly are over your head. How else can anyone explain an hourglass which you can't figure out proving the superiority of Windows?

 

Uhhhh, how can facts be insults? They are just facts, yes?

(Inappropriate remark edited by Ixthusdan)

This is totally uncalled for when someone comes in here and legitmataely offers constructive criticisms with reasonable facts to back it up. I actually did have a crash and the 'panel updater' was fixed for like 10 minutes or longer ( till I stopped it by manually re-updating again ) saying that 'something was locked' and I presume that was urpmi. I did not start updater from CLI nor would I have since mandriva stands for ease of use so lets not go there ok ;)....

I guess its good I found out early what a bunch of stereotypical users you all really are ( not all that uncommon from ubuntu ) where if someone comes in and has the ,- oh my the audacity to call your beloved OS into check for glarring QA issues then their post is labeled 'linux bashing'. Well let me tell you something earnie, I"ve used Linux since 'redhat 5.2' so lets not go there eiher ok ? ;)

Yeah Im a tiny bit appauled by all this and sure its going to come across in my post:)...does anyone really wonder why linux has a HUGE 5% market share atm when things like this happen ? ;))

woah well done mandriva etal...

cheers and good bye from a LONGtime linux user and if you still DOUBT that just ask anyone in : irc.freenode.net in #lemmings and they'll be happy to tell you how long I've been around. ( just so you know im not bashing from the bully pulpit of windows userland. )

g.leej

Edited by Ixthusdan

So far as I have experienced the fact that the time out icon is still running when the application has already opened is of no consequence whatsoever. It doesn't effect anything worthwhile.

Spending time on stopping it would only be for cosmetic purposes only and not worth it.

 

It is easy enough to get rid of the busy cursor if it troubles you so much.

 

Open KDE CC..................Appearance and themes......................Launch Feedback..............Busy Cursor......and change it to No busy cursor. Problem solved.

I know there is also somewhere you can change the timeout period i.e. shorten it, because I have seen it though I can't remember where at the moment, but I wasn't prepared to waste my time looking for it.

 

Try the above, it maybe is what you need.

 

Cheers. John.

 

I just realized that the time out period is directly underneath the Busy Cursor so if it seems to go too long then set it to say 15secs instead of the default 30secs.

 

JB

It is easy enough to get rid of the pointer yes, but the 'busy' process lingers regardless. It is not just this one process that is a bit bothersome ( is gnome really to blame : np ill ask a gnome developer ) but the overall QA of mandriva which is lacking I think...rpmdrake shows many packages with no descript and upon boot of livecd you get a nasty cups error ( which to their defense is fixed on install , but honestly it leaves a nasty impression to a windows friend when they can point and laugh ; 'oh look linux is crashing so much for your speical OS!' kinda thing...so yes its an accumulative effect kinda thing :)

...and no im not bashing mandriva..its a honest appraisal and it aint because I hate mandriva ( atm it IS installed on my linux partition; it is because the OS I call home in linux HAS to be near perfect QA wize and everything else wize as its what Im going to hand to all my f riends and family and it better dain well measure up if Im going to put my lee stamp of approval on,- because honestly Im not about to go through another round of windows users assaults on my choices ;) ( see above bold text )

cheers

g.leej

Microsoft software is buggy, buggy, buggy. Your impression is orchestrated by the money they spend in PR, and money that they do not spend on development. Even in a comparison with Linux, Microsoft only comes out ahead after eliminating many bugs as "not significant." Microsoft has not developed a new concept in 10 years. They have taken much from others, including open source. Frankly, I would trade an hourglass for reinstalling due to virus or failure any day. ;)

 

Let's see, paid developers. Well, I guess they could do a good job if they were actually allowed to develop! You see, they develop the product in secret enclaves with forbidden communication among each other. The reason Vista took more the 2 years longer to release (and it is still busted) is that every time they tried to put it all together, it would not run. Sounds like any development, doesn't it? Any development except that they release the product, collect the cash, and still try to fix it. No, I don't see the slump that you see. I do see Linux attempting to promote a standard that is not found at Redmond, WA.

 

As far as their QA, again, I disagree that they are anything to emulate. What they do have is an enormous fortune to spend on PR. Windows is buggy, prone to failure, and not something to count on in computing.

You must be joshing me. I am steadily becoming less and less and less impressed with each post you whiz by me. If it is your attempt to speak of mandriva on these forums, then you are doing them a grave injustice with your techno-nonsense. Nowhere in my message did I state that I thought windows was not stable , nor did I ever give you instances of where it crashes or what app crashed, so I find your FUD amusing ;)

I stick up for what shows me to be stable , and atm that is not mandriva. I updated my system and it was in a hung state for several minutes ( says something was locked) it seems until I forced it to update which then it was fine. A app crashed and then I hate to 'force kill' it ( no sorry I dont recall what it was ), and instead of a smart handling of the obvoius crash I was left to wonder instead of what ubuntu, opensuse or windows does by taking that 'info' and using it to better the OS; is there a reason crash handling was left out ?

I also dont buy into this argument of 'paid developers' being the holy grail of sofrtware development, as if you really believe that, then Billl Gates was right all along saying the free software is inferior and will only hurt computer industry.

I have never in the last year + had to reinstall my OS from a virus, so IM sorry but that is also FUD,- and YMMV depending on what 'sites' you goto; myself I stay away from pron ;)

You are trying incredibly hard to compensate for linux's failure by throwing insults towards a OS that yes I'll agree is far from perfect,- but at the sametime as I said a moment ago has been VERY stable for me over the last year, and on top of that M$ now offers 'windows defender' a program freely available ( atm anyway) to seek spam and virus threats.

I do not defend linux nor windows, - I simply defend stable , clean and well done OS's and I make zero appology for it. I applaud free software as to the obvious perks it offers but I refuse to ever be a appologist for its lazy or bad habits. No distro atm is without problems on 'release' yet windows pulls this off everytime at least since XP. I am not saying XP was not borked in some 'way' after release, but I am saying that its core components 'just work' and work well enough for 98% of the market to call it 'good enough' to stay with it and not seek out linux or even mac's.

You can garner from that what you will but I think its obvious. ;)

cheers

g.leej

hi there mandriva fans..

I really enjoy mandriva polish overall and wanted to say I think it would be wize to add to it by including a crash handler like ubuntu has. It grabs the crash and sends it in to devs and user doesn't need to do much beyond clicking ok. We all know that while geeks dont mind, and are able to filll out said forms at bugzilla that average suzie homemaker aint going there and since mandriva is designed TO be easy I think this should be obvious.

Maybe this is a upcoming feature, but if not I dont see why it would be left out as it furthers debugging rather nicely.

thx

g.leej

Not sure about the "slump" that you see, and I strongly disagree that we should be using Microsoft as any kind of measure for performance. B)

Adam Williamson point out in this article:

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070618#feature

that overall QA was lacking for a bit and its clear from my own use of mandriva that indeed Id call that a slump. The slump though is not over as even the current spring product is a bit buggy as loaded the livecd spring gnome one cd you get warnings out of the gate that cups can't start. Did no one notice this during testing ? ( which leads me to comment on the fact that there are way to many distros atm, and if we had but a 'few' only ( similar to windows2000, vista, xp blah blah ) then imo linux would have alot more QA going into it cause more people would be focused on that one base and bugs would be filed centrally and all the linux raw talent would go all into one location; and as I have stated earlier that is one of the reasons windows is so popular as its QA on release's is superb . We can agree windows has tons of paid devs working on things ( thousands ) but they also progress as noted above due to a centralized system instead of fragemented by hundred or more.

I have seen this sorta slump if you willl in every single linux distro from ubuntu ( remember their nvidia and ati problems etc.) to fedora ( their horridly slow yum system along with a fiasco on release of fedora core 7 ) to freespire ( is to linspire what fedora is to rhel so sure its not going to be the MOST stable thing around ) to opensuse which clearly had nasty issues with its package management for sometime. The key here is that QA just doesn't seem to be terribly important to linux,- whereas instead the importance seems to be release early and often and well we can see where that gets us can't we and I think stuck with a impression from supposed windows converts that linux aint ready which clearly shows up in market share values and also from friends I talk to that think using linux is foolhardy at best ( not my view obviously ). I also note that the resolution chosen for the livecd anyway is really low compared to what my monitor can handle and I wish that would be addressed as ubuntu and frankly even fedora does that just fine with 1600x1200 out of the gate.

I referenced M$ because while its not a free OS and is virus prone ( well XP anyway no idea about vista since I can't run it due to having ONLY one gig of ram LOL ) its clear that its not marred by any of these QA issues and honestly while there is alot of FUD out there about stability thats just flat wrong. I have used M$ the last several months and have seen next to zero crashing at all and certainly no hourglass issues ;)

I could offer many more areas that indicate inferior QA not only in mandriva but all distros but I dont want to be labled a spammer so Ill not go there,- but I guarantee you they exist ;)

You asked and there is my opinion on that matter and if Im seen as a spammer then fine I can handle it I have broad shoulders, but those are MY opinions whether seen bad or not.

I wish I could stick with mandriva as I do g reatly admire the addition of nvidia drivers and codecs out of the box ( I guess they get around it by being headquartered in France ?? ) but this cups thing on startup of livecd anyway is annoying and its the only livecd that i've used ( I'e tried fedora's, opensuse ,scientific linux and now this) that does it,- not to mention as I say the bit borked mcc components not showing details of packages but fixed via update after install. I greatly admire urpmX as it handles dependencies even with web installs ( as does I think gdebi for ubuntu ) and urpmf is wonderful and is there out of box unlike other places ( though fedora has with yum provides ) . I like springs nice fresh look at grub screen and destkop so those propell the look anyway into a very comfy place ;) Oddly enough while I have blasted with lack of QA ( admittedly not a HUGE deal with I notice things like that due to being a slight perfectionist sometimes ) for MCC I do admit that at least mandriva has seen to have basically ONE place to have a CC not a bunch like how most other distros do which I find very appealing and consistent.

..so see im not all about blasting when I see imperfection - I"m happy to point out things well done as well ;)

I am not ready to give up on Mandriva just yet as frankly the other distros ( in my eyes anyway) aren't doing all that well either on the QA front. I thing that this is very smart and im glad to see it:

Conectiva build system <

subdivision of each section into four repositories: /release , /updates , /testing and /backports <

I really think those are going to help tons and I wish Mandriva well. I'm not saying I wont be using mandriva, as Im honestly debating which distro to use , but I do lean heavy towards Mandriva even with its current QA lacking a tad bit ( no idea about discovery or powerpack ). No distro is perfect atm nor is windows, but I really think mandriva has alot going for it. I have tried them all and find mandriva a well done overall desktop.

cheers

g.leej

Maybe someday it will be solved some things already are. Like we have one common menu structure for all DEs now. Before this every DE had its own. But there are more demanding issues than an hourglass running too long.

I agree about the hourglass :)

cheers

nl

So in essence this means I was correct in pointing out all along that linux is 'sometimes' like a centipede with all its feet moving , yet sometimes tripping because some feet trip and cause a ripple effect in the body ? ;)

This is not so much I told you so linux,- but more a hearkening to hopefully do something about it someday ;)

Windows never has these problems ( and virus are dealt with now better by windows defender blah blah ) , and that is because its ONE BASE doesn't have to worry about it.

I truly hope Mandriva gets itself out of its current slump as IMHO it deserves it bigtime and let me say why I think so:

1) urpmX- I love, and have always loved this fine tool as rarely did it ever fail me ( when I was using mandrake 9.2 I think it was which I used for like 6 months or so and enjoyed it alot )

2) Decent community where even minorities ( I mean every kind btw ) aren't treated as pariah's.

3) Nicely working rpm install via web when others distros sometimes failed this usually just worked. ( suse was ok too but rh NOT ;)... )

4) Similar to suse, as nice well rounded control panel ( minus this one agregious issue while certainly not a showstopper clearly annoying etc. )

5) This is new as it never used to be so BUT,,,I want to congratulate Mandriva immensely for providing out of box the nvidia driver ( dont use ati atm so some ati user can speak to those ) which can only give users the same enjoyable visual experience that aero provides windows users,- and the fact that browser plugins ( except flash and I dont get that one at all BUT anyway..) most of which work fine and thats great because many users would have no idea how to 'get' them without a gentle nudge after install about it so kudos mandriva ( I guess you can do this because your based in France where patents dont exist in law ? )

I can't think of other atm but those are good ones.

I hope mandriva continues to do well in linux but atm I'm not sure I trust it as when obvious things like this go unnoticed it makes me wonder alot about mandriva's QA. That is important to people espeically those like me that use their computers for very important things where its data must be kept safe and where reliability is paramount.

I could stay and hope its fixed along with any other nagging things , but honestly I'm not sure how I feel about it atm....im definitely 'not' trying to be mean/a-flamer/a-jerk or anything I simply relate exactly how and why I feel as I do right at this moment as I love linux and wish it to succede; because it deserves to and the reason is because it gives a road down which to travel on for those that not only look for a tad more safety, but a safe heaven from the throws of monetary imprisonment that M$ forces upon them right now. I know that many versions of mandriva are not free and that if it were the company per se could not make it ( unless they sold only 'suppport' etc.etc. similar to what redhat does with rhel [ rhel isn't free but offers support directly , yet rhel is free via like scientific linux though no commercial support per se] ) but honestly I wonder if I"d have had the same experience with MCC if I had been using discovery or powerpack, though I'll never know as I dont have the bucks to try those.

I dont know how reliable this report is, but if true this is why we need to do better ,- and IMO as a 'group' unite and stop this distro war/WM war nonsense:

http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php?date=2007-05-20

cheers

nl

As noted in my very first post, I was running MCC and noted the oddity of the busy cursor, there lasting for nearly a minute and it simply made me think something was wrong wondering what was taking so long to load while the MCC interface itself was already clearly up on the screen with nothing else left undrawn.

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough but that was my question.

Part of the reason for my perception of this issue right or wrong, is that windows control panel loads and no busy cursor remains running for any length of time after its up on the screen ( faik anyway unless its also in the background and not saying so similar to possibly gnome in that regard ? )

I just like to know what my computer is doing basically and this had me wondering a bit..

thx all

nl

What version of Mandriva are you using, Mandriva One, 2007, or Spring?

I am using Mandriva Linux One 2007 Spring KDE 32-bit

cheers

nl

hi greg,

I changed to 'no busy cursor' and while it did work, it cauess kde to crash kde panel and I have to logouit/in..odd but , I guess kde 3.5 isn't stable so I guess I question 3.5 as a choice for the One cd ?

Even with no busy cursor, I still get the 'configure contrrol center' 'tab' showing up on the kde panel WITH the hourglass cleary moving ON this t ab...why does this even happen is this just how kde works ?? ( gnome never does this but maybe it happens in the background ?? )

thx

lee

I believe you missed ffi's point? Go to Appearance and Themes->Launch Feedback and uncheck 'Enable taskbar notifacation'. Your hourglass will vanish!

I did not miss the point..if I goto mcc and do as you all suggest..yes it does vanish, BUT the 'configure your computer' on the kde panel is still there [ right next to the 'mandriva control center' one, - and clearly stilll doing 'something'..question is what and how many resources is it taking up..I dont get this in gnome and frankly it bothers me and makes me think kde is borked because MCC is already up and running so what is this needed for ? ;)

thx

lee

Does the mandriva control center run? Anyway you can disable the hourglass in the kde control center (kcontrol from a konsole) in Appearance and Themes->Launch Feedback

It runs yes..but the hourglass thing does too, which leads me to believe something is wrong ?

( or is it just something kde does but does not take up resources ? )

thx

lee

when I start mandriva control center also comes up a tab on kde panel saying configure your computer and its hourglasss shows for some 30 seconds and wondering why is it doing this, and is this a kde only problem ?

thx

lee

Setting up a boatloader for several harddisks never is easy for some reason, my guess is grub is looking for it's config files but looking in the wrong drive/partition. Use the mandriva control center from the live cd and experiment with the different drives partitions.

 

 

My boot device is /dev/sda (there is an option for hda hda2 hda3 sda sda3 and sda5....hda3 is where mandriva is installed on my system....)

well I only have one Harddrive here actually..I tried going into livecd again , but was unable to chroot /mnt/sysimage, as it complained it could not find /bin/bash ?

actually I did try r einstalling all over again, but I got the same error where no grub menu to boot from and instead just a totally black screen...odd too since im sure I had grub install to /dev/sda.

what am I missing, I mean surely they must have tested livecd better than this ;)

cheers

g.leej

Is there no rescue mode or anything??

thx

g.leej

hi,,

I installed mandriva spring 2007 gnome edition from livecd..it installed fine, but when I rebooted I had no way to get into linux or windows, as while grub seemed to say it was starting, I got black screen and nothing after that..by chance a known issue ? but anyway how do I go back in with the livecd and fix ? ;)))

thx

g.leej

yup I did that already ;)..but it wont let me MOVE one folder INTO another for some odd reason..or im not doing it right ..

thx

lee

hi there mandr. users ;0

I want to add' programs' to menu..and put ALL other ones UNDER that..I can not figure out how.

thx

g.leej

Until it's fixed:

 

urpmi old_rpmdrake

 

you can use the old version instead until Mandriva get round to fixing it. Or, use smart, or use the command line tools - they're better when you get to know how to use them.

I will give it a shot and thx ;)

cheers

neighborlee

My tip: Ask at the developers IRC channel of Mandriva. We don't know when it will be fixed completely as we are not affiliated to Mandriva.

I did ask and got zero replys..I dont know shrug makes me wonder if mandriva is headed downhill frankly as logically speaking and with zero emotion here to get in the way I must pause to wonder what up that important 'newbie' friendly ( or not) issues arent fixed nearly immediatly.

I like mandrake for many reasons but should I continue to use something broken and almost two months later still in same state of dissrepair ..I remain undecided but pushing for a change maybe. ( reluntantly)

cheers to all

neighborlee

hi..

just wondering if anyone knows why rpmdrake is still fixed and any clues on whe its going to be repaired would be good news.

cheers

neighborlee

;)

Hi mattijs.

 

I see where you tried the noapic nolapic and acpi=off routine.

Did you try the method I outlined in an earlier thread as shown below:-

 

Step 1.

If you are using a similar board to the ASUS A7V600-X that uses the same bios, in the BOOT UP part of the bios it has an item titled INTERRUPT MODE and the default is set to [ PIC ]. It must be changed to [ APIC ].

Make certain that the item titled PLUG-n-PLAY is set at [ NO ] and not [ YES ].

 

Step 2.

When you insert the install cd/DVD and the boot screen starts running it will show you an initial menu.

Select the heading INSTALLATION, by using the down arrow key but do NOT press the Enter button, i.e. only highlight INSTALLATION.

Type in the following :- pci=nomsi

You will see the text appear at the bottom of the screen. Using the left and right keys, use the backspace key (delete) to delete acpi=ht and nolapic and noapic.

 

Step 3.

Now hit the Enter key. You should now be able to do the install.

When you are doing your packages selection you will need to make sure that you do not select anything to do with apic or acpi or apic etc.

 

Step 4.

A very important step is this one.

During the settings procedures later in the Post install phase, setting up the bootloader, it is important that you go in to the boot settings and make sure that there is only splash=silent (this not critical) and pci=nomsi (this is absolutely critical) or you will not be able to reboot successfully.

 

I found that any single addition in Step 2. and it would not work to enable install and any other additions in the bootloader GRUB and you could not boot up either. I assure you I tried every combination but the initial inspiration was the ERRATA.

 

 

 

Try it and see if it works even though you obviously have different mainboards and therefore different bios.

Ley us know what happens.

Cheers. John.

I tried these settings and I am still unable to get very far into installation..the drive light flickers and the HD light is on during this,,but it never gets beyond that to install anything, and im wondering if this mandriva 2007 ( the one that chooses x86 orx86_64 for you is what I have) is just not going to work at all and maybe I need to try the liveCD ONE instead ?

cheers

g.leej

morn,,hi I was wondering how to fix my newly installed mandriva 2007 gnome ( dvd), as I chose drake3d but the computer wont boot into login screeen ?

it said 'no' to 3d support but gave me no option for 'next', only cancel.

after I clicked cancel, all I had was blank blue screen and nothing happened.

fix ? ;)

thx

neighborlee()