Problem installing X on a ATI Rage 128

[Guest Wolki]

Hi!

 

I'm trying to install Mandrake 9.1 on my K6-2 450 (128meg ram) with a ATI Rage Pro 128 with 32 mb ram and a TV-Out and i cant get it to work -_-

 

My Monitor is supported (Belinea 107010, according to the sticker on the back ^^) and XFdrake suggests a graphic card that should be correct, but when i test it i only see rapaidly moving black and white lines. I've tried selecting different cards and the default monitors, but other than looking slightly different nothing changes.

 

i also tried XFree86 -configure, it doesnt help... i get an error about 0 screens

 

can anyone help me? googling and reading some documentation and faqs didnt help ._. thanks!

 

wolki

[phunni]

Post your /etc/x11.XF86Config please.

 

This is odd - my ati rage 128 was picked up straight away by mandrake...

[Guest Wolki]

tried XFree86 -configure again, this time no error message, but it didn't hekp either >_<

 

here's my XFconfig-4:

 

# File generated by XFdrake.

 

# **********************************************************************

# Refer to the XF86Config man page for details about the format of

# this file.

# **********************************************************************

 

Section "Files"

   # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together)

   # By default, Mandrake 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of

   # the X server to render fonts.

   FontPath "unix/:-1"

EndSection

 

Section "ServerFlags"

   #DontZap # disable <Crtl><Alt><BS> (server abort)

   #DontZoom # disable <Crtl><Alt><KP_+>/<KP_-> (resolution switching)

   AllowMouseOpenFail # allows the server to start up even if the mouse doesn't work

EndSection

 

Section "Module"

   Load "dbe" # Double-Buffering Extension

   Load "extmod"

   Load "type1"

   Load "freetype"

   Load "glx" # 3D layer

   Load "dri" # direct rendering

EndSection

 

Section "DRI"

   Mode 0666

EndSection

 

Section "InputDevice"

   Identifier "Keyboard1"

   Driver "Keyboard"

   Option "XkbModel" "pc105"

   Option "XkbLayout" "de(nodeadkeys)"

   Option "XkbCompat" ""

   Option "XkbOptions" ""

EndSection

 

Section "InputDevice"

   Identifier "Mouse1"

   Driver "mouse"

   Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2"

   Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"

   Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"

EndSection

 

Section "Monitor"

   Identifier "monitor1"

   VendorName "Belinea"

   ModelName "Belinea 107010"

   HorizSync 30.0-69.0

   VertRefresh 50.0-160.0

   

   # Sony Vaio C1(X,XS,VE,VN)?

   # 1024x480 @ 85.6 Hz, 48 kHz hsync

   ModeLine "1024x480"    65.00 1024 1032 1176 1344   480  488  494  563 -hsync -vsync

 

   

   # TV fullscreen mode or DVD fullscreen output.

   # 768x576 @ 79 Hz, 50 kHz hsync

   ModeLine "768x576"     50.00  768  832  846 1000   576  590  595  630

   

   # 768x576 @ 100 Hz, 61.6 kHz hsync

   ModeLine "768x576"     63.07  768  800  960 1024   576  578  590  616

EndSection

 

Section "Device"

   Identifier "device1"

   VendorName "ATI"

   BoardName "ATI Rage 128 TVout"

   Driver "r128"

   Option "DPMS"

   Option "UseCCEFor2D" "false"

EndSection

 

Section "Screen"

   Identifier "screen1"

   Device "device1"

   Monitor "monitor1"

   DefaultColorDepth 16

   

   Subsection "Display"

       Depth 8

       Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"

   EndSubsection

   

   Subsection "Display"

       Depth 15

       Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"

   EndSubsection

   

   Subsection "Display"

       Depth 16

       Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"

   EndSubsection

   

   Subsection "Display"

       Depth 24

       Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"

   EndSubsection

EndSection

 

Section "ServerLayout"

   Identifier "layout1"

   InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"

   InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer"

   Screen "screen1"

EndSection

[phunni]

The only differences I can see between your file and mine are the following areas:

 

In Section "Module" I have

 

SubSection  "extmod"

     Option    "omit xfree86-dga"   # don't initialise the DGA extension

   EndSubSection

after Load DBE

 

In section "Device" where your card is also defined I have the lines

 

Option "AGPMode" "4"

   Option "EnablePageFlip" "True"

 

Apart from this the only difference is that your monitor is different to mine. If you try and make the above changes to your and see if that helps. If not - it might be an issue with your monitor

[Guest Wolki]

i edited the file but it didn't change anything -_-

 

i thought it might be a problem with the monitor, but i tried generic settings from 640x480 to 1024x768, similar problem with all of them... the monitor works fine under windows 98.

 

when i try to open the on-screen menu of my monitor while trying to start x, it says "no signal".

 

i have a hollywood+ installed, but not used right now... could that be a problem?

 

[edit] i tried removing the holly+, nothing changed

 

[edit2] ok... i thought "if it is a problem with the monitor, lets see if it works on the TV" and installted the TV-Out support and booted with the TV-Oit option in lilo... and now i'm completely confused o_O

 

not only was the x on the TV fine, but the problems on the monitor were gone, too! everything was fine (besides that i only get 800x600 when the tvout is on). when i booted normal again, it didn't work aymore ._.

[theYinYeti]

I don't know for sure because I'm at work, and I have a "TVout-less" rage128. But I'm surprised at the Modelines. What does it do if you comment them out?

 

Yves.

[Guest Wolki]

it seems like its really a problem with the TV-Out... i tried commenting out the modelines (btw, thank you theYinYeti and phunni for your help!) but again nothing changed.

 

i noticed that while booting Mandrake and while in Text mode, the TV-out is on all the time... don't know if this has anything to do with it.

 

here's my XF86config for tv-out; if i use this it works, but only at 800x600 resolution

 

# File generated by XFdrake.

# **********************************************************************

# Refer to the XF86Config man page for details about the format of

# this file.

# **********************************************************************



Section "Files"

   # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together)

   # By default, Mandrake 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of

   # the X server to render fonts.

   FontPath "unix/:-1"

EndSection



Section "ServerFlags"

   #DontZap # disable <Crtl><Alt><BS> (server abort)

   AllowMouseOpenFail # allows the server to start up even if the mouse doesn't work

   #DontZoom # disable <Crtl><Alt><KP_+>/<KP_-> (resolution switching)

EndSection



Section "Module"

   Load "dbe" # Double-Buffering Extension

   Load "v4l" # Video for Linux

   Load "extmod"

   Load "type1"

   Load "freetype"

EndSection



Section "InputDevice"

   Identifier "Keyboard1"

   Driver "Keyboard"

   Option "XkbModel" "pc105"

   Option "XkbLayout" "de(nodeadkeys)"

   Option "XkbCompat" ""

   Option "XkbOptions" ""

EndSection



Section "InputDevice"

   Identifier "Mouse1"

   Driver "mouse"

   Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2"

   Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"

   Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"

EndSection



Section "Monitor"

   Identifier "monitor1"

   HorizSync 30-50

   VertRefresh 50

   

   # PAL

   ModeLine "640x480"   29.50       640 675 678 944  480 530 535 625

   ModeLine "800x600"   36.00       800 818 820 960  600 653 655 750

   

   # NTSC

   ModeLine "640x480"  28.195793   640 656 658 784  480 520 525 600

   ModeLine "800x600"  38.769241   800 812 814 880  600 646 649 735

EndSection



Section "Device"

   Identifier "device1"

   Driver "fbdev"

   Option "DPMS"

EndSection



Section "Screen"

   Identifier "screen1"

   Device "device1"

   Monitor "monitor1"

   

   Subsection "Display"

       Depth 8

   EndSubsection

   

   Subsection "Display"

       Depth 16

   EndSubsection

EndSection



Section "ServerLayout"

   Identifier "layout1"

   InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"

   InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer"

   Screen "screen1"

EndSection

 

and btw, does anyone know how to get a Shuttle Spacewalker HOT-247 Soundcard working? OPTi 933 chip... sndconfig found a card, but it wasn't the right one, got an error while testing. none of the other cards i tried seemed to work either. i googled for help and found it, but it was in korean ^^;;;

 

wolki

[Sarissi]

Try using a generic monitor. I had a similar problem with an NEC MultiSync monitor. WHen I selected the specific make and model: endless problems. After I went with a generic monitor: no problems. Note: I was still using the NEC, but used a Generic selection in config.

[chris z]

i would also try Sarrisi's suggestion of using a generic monitor, OR a generic ATI driver. i have an old ATI mach 64 rage pro video card. when i installed MDK it wouldn't detect it, so i manually set it up using an exact match for that driver that MDK has on the install disks. i couldn't get it to work for the life of me. i finally used the ATI mach 64 Utah driver & it worked like a charm. what "Utah" means, i have no idea, but it worked! :?

 

Chris

[Sarissi]

Sometimes it is best not to mess with what Mandrake Installation detects. This is how how I screwed up with that NEC MultiSync. Mandrake detected (pre 8.2) a generic monitor, and I went and changed to the specific model. HUGE mistake! It was a huge hulking 1996 vintage 17 inch very heavy monster of a monitor.

 

I bought a Generic 15 inch TFT Flat Panel monitor, and had that old one taking up space (lots of it), when a friend's monitor died. So it found a good home.

 

Mandrake 9.1 Powerpack install sees my current monitor as a Custom and I don't mess with it. I learned the hard way.

 

My current video card is an ATI XPert 2000 Pro AGP (32 MB), that Mandrake detects as a Rage 128. Nice thing is that I have hardware OpenGL with this, which is super nice! The only thing I did during install, was to make sure hardware OpenGL was selected, and everything works fine.