daniewicz Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Con Kolivas speaks out regarding the linux desktop: http://apcmag.com Linus Torvalds responds: http://realworldtech.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarecrow Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 I've been following the trends in the last few weeks. It's sad seeing CK quitting the kernel developers/hackers scene, but IMHO he exaggerates some points. The real point of his decision is rather personal, and aimed against one person: Ingo Molnar. There's no question that this guy is an obnoxious egotripper as well as a very average coder, but Linus seems trusting him... Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iphitus Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 I've been following the trends in the last few weeks. It's sad seeing CK quitting the kernel developers/hackers scene, but IMHO he exaggerates some points.The real point of his decision is rather personal, and aimed against one person: Ingo Molnar. There's no question that this guy is an obnoxious egotripper as well as a very average coder, but Linus seems trusting him... Oh well. Give him credit. His decision isn't just directed at Ingo, it's been something long in the making, before this whole spat. The current development style has some big problems, and they get in the way of things getting done. Con does exaggerate slightly, but mostly, he's correct. James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarecrow Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 @ Iphy: "this guy" was referring in my comment to Molnar, not Colivas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dexter11 Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Here's Linus' opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iphitus Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 linus' argument lacks logic and is ridiculously short sighted. Con always made an effort to chase up bugs, even the most obscure bugs. I admired his patience. The one "bug" that Linus saw, Con did chase up, and the scheduler was not at fault. The user who was reporting it refused to accept this, and it caused a bit of a stink on the mailing list. Linus' argument is based on this one single report. If he'd bothered to look on the CK mailing list, or at any other work of Con's, he'd have seen diligent and careful bug handling. Additionally, Con stopped developing *after* it was clear that SD had no future in mainstream. So saying that he is not capable of being a long term maintainer is based on something that developed *after* Con's SD was rejected, and could not have been part of Linus' original decision. Regardless, would Con bother maintaining SD if it was going to be seen by most as "second place". Con is more than capable of long term maintenance, as shown by his continual improvement and maintenance of his staircase scheduler, and swap prefetch for many years. This saga and many others, have shown some pretty nasty flaws in how the kernel is developed. Ugh. James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffi Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 (edited) Although I run the -ck patchset and it might make a small difference and it' s pretty cool how Con tried to make the desktop snapper, it is at best a very small difference, there has been a recent innovation which was far more important than the- ck-patchset or the new kernel-scheduler for desktop snappiness: compiz, now maybe if the same compiz does with window-managent can be done for sound...... Edited August 13, 2007 by ffi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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