ilia_kr Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 I've installed the new Kubuntu 7.04 and its ok so far, except a shutdown problem i had, but it is solved now. My question is: why there are many system services that should start at boot but aren't actually running? For example acpid should start at boot but its not running. I don't remember having this problem on Mandi or Fedora. Is it normal? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw1974 Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 I have it running in mine, but I would check in your /boot/grub/menu.lst file and see if you have acpi=off somewhere. If so, remove it. Otherwise, install bum (boot up manager): aptitude install bum or use synaptic package manager to install it, and then run this by typing bum in a console window as root, or from the System Administration menu. I use Ubuntu, so it's Gnome, so not sure where in KDE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilia_kr Posted May 19, 2007 Author Share Posted May 19, 2007 I've added acpi=force to menu.lst in order to be able to shutdown the comp properly. Kubuntu has a tool for managing services, similar to bum, and there i see acpid and others stopped when they should be running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw1974 Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 I might have to try this force option myself. Since when I shut down my computer, it tries to restart itself instead. Was yours a similar situation? My machine is six years old running an AMD Athlon XP1800+, and it's been driving me nuts since Mandriva 2007 came out. In fact, I found it was nothing to do with Mandriva, since all distros with a 2.6.17 or higher kernel cause this problem for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilia_kr Posted May 19, 2007 Author Share Posted May 19, 2007 My problem was a bit different: i use pentium 3, and am able to shutdown normally on all distros i've tried, except (K)ubuntu. In kubuntu, when i chose to shutdown (even by shutdown -h now) i hear HDs shutting down and then the system stalls, i only get the usual kubuntu shutdown screen. I had to push the shutdown button on a pc to end the process. I found this solution in one of the posts at http://kubuntuforums.net/, don't remember what exactly. I've seen that some had your poblem too, so take a look there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coverup Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 (edited) My problem was a bit different: i use pentium 3, and am able to shutdown normally on all distros i've tried, except (K)ubuntu. In kubuntu, when i chose to shutdown (even by shutdown -h now) i hear HDs shutting down and then the system stalls, i only get the usual kubuntu shutdown screen. I had to push the shutdown button on a pc to end the process.I found this solution in one of the posts at http://kubuntuforums.net/, don't remember what exactly. I've seen that some had your poblem too, so take a look there. Since your computer is pentium3, are you sure its bios is ACPI-compliant? I suspect your computer is fairly old (not that there is anything wrong with that!) is therefore not (fully) acpi-compliant. Maybe, you could try to use APM on your laptops instead of ACPI as a solution to the problem with poweroff. Ian, same suggestion... Edited May 19, 2007 by coverup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilia_kr Posted May 20, 2007 Author Share Posted May 20, 2007 First of all, i have a desktop pentium 3. Second, it seems like mandriva 2007.1 doesn't have any problem with acpi. I really don't know how that acpi thing works. Gooing to google for it now... Do you have a good link where i can learn about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilia_kr Posted May 20, 2007 Author Share Posted May 20, 2007 How can i check if my PC can handle ACPI ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coverup Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 How can i check if my PC can handle ACPI ? Do you know what BIOS/model you have? Maybe, send email to the manufacturer of BIOS or box? First of all, i have a desktop pentium 3. Second, it seems like mandriva 2007.1 doesn't have any problem with acpi. I really don't know how that acpi thing works. Gooing to google for it now... Do you have a good link where i can learn about it? As I said, this could be a compatibility problem with BIOS. About 3-4 years ago there was quite a bit of noise about ACPI in this and other forums. Many users complained about the poweroff problem similar to yours. I `fixed' my laptop by adding acpi=off to the kernel options, and loading apm instead. I have no problems with power management ever since. It worth trying (but I completely forgot what else I did). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw1974 Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 The apm command I tried, sometimes worked but not always, but for older machines, perhaps: acpi=off apm=on apm=power-off should do the trick for older machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilia_kr Posted May 20, 2007 Author Share Posted May 20, 2007 Thanks for that but acpi=force worked nicely, i don't want to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw1974 Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 I'm gonna try your force command tonight see if it helps on my machine. Although I still don't know why the services aren't showing as running. I'll check if when I use this option I get the same symptoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilia_kr Posted May 21, 2007 Author Share Posted May 21, 2007 Ok, good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilia_kr Posted May 21, 2007 Author Share Posted May 21, 2007 (edited) I found that post in kubuntu forum: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3083208.0 Edited May 21, 2007 by ilia_kr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coverup Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 The apm command I tried, sometimes worked but not always, but for older machines, perhaps: acpi=off apm=on apm=power-off should do the trick for older machines. The options from my lilo.conf relevant to the power-off problem append="nolapic noapic acpi=off" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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