Ogg vs mp3

[neddie]

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I read that and it again mentioned per-copy licence fees for players - so how do the costless programs like Winamp etc provide gratis mp3 playing ability if they have to pay a per-copy licence? Doesn't sound like a good business model. Unless it's not true for players, just for encoders perhaps.

Except I also read this.

[Lexicon]

And, whats think about SHN file format?

http://www.mp3-converter.biz/tag,convert shn to mp3.html

...Lex

[neddie]

And, what do you think about SHN file format?

http://www.mp3-converter.biz/tag,convert shn to mp3.html

...Lex

According to the all-knowing Wikipedia (yes I admit I'd never heard of SHN before), SHN is a lossless format, so it's competing with the apparently far superior FLAC format rather than with Oggs and Mp3s. So good for archiving if you want to be able to recreate your CDs exactly, but not really optimised for portable media.

[Qchem]

At my linux machine (work) I rip cd's as ogg. At home (OS X) it's AAC.

 

AAC because it seems better than MP3 to my ear and because my iPod mini will play it. If ogg was an option for my iPod and iTunes then I would use it over MP3 or AAC.

[Darkelve]

Now you've run out of one more excuse: http://www.rockbox.org/

 

:P

 

don't know about .ogg support for iTunes though?

 

Edit: or *do* I?

http://www.xiph.org/quicktime/about.html

http://www.illadvised.com/~jordy/

http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?sto...021103065300430

 

At my linux machine (work) I rip cd's as ogg. At home (OS X) it's AAC.

 

AAC because it seems better than MP3 to my ear and because my iPod mini will play it. If ogg was an option for my iPod and iTunes then I would use it over MP3 or AAC.

Edited September 1, 2006 by Darkelve

[neddie]

So the player manufacturers do have to pay a licence fee to be able to play mp3s: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5312696.stm

But the player manufacturers can't make players that only play oggs and not mp3s, because most customers have never heard of oggs and have been collecting mp3s. And the customers have never heard of oggs because the hardware providers don't support them ...

 

20 GOTO 10

[Artificial Intelligence]

So the player manufacturers do have to pay a licence fee to be able to play mp3s: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5312696.stm

But the player manufacturers can't make players that only play oggs and not mp3s, because most customers have never heard of oggs and have been collecting mp3s. And the customers have never heard of oggs because the hardware providers don't support them ...

 

20 GOTO 10

 

10 rem ****************************************************
11 rem *** The basic (c) OGG versus MP script for Commodore 64 ***
12 rem ****************************************************
20 print "Welcome to the Which format to choose for Avarage Joe, please press 1 for .mp format and 2 for .ogg format";T$
21 if T$ = 1 then goto 30
22 if T$ = 2 then goto 50
23 if T$ = 0, >=3 then goto 40
24 goto 21
30 Print "Good for you! You pay us and we pay them, plus you get a bit worser sound quality as a bonus. Congrats!"
31 end
40 print "Sorry try again"
41 goto 20
50 Print "You hippie! Obey the big $ or face the consequences"
51 end

 

Sorry if there's some error in the script. I havn't used basic since my childhood ;)

Edited September 5, 2006 by Artificial Intelligence

[flarefox]

I use ogg. You can set it so an ogg file at 128 kbps is smaller than a 128 kpbs mp3 file with compression settings and it still sounds better. I have amarok set to take control of my AV500 portable music player and transcode the files before it syncs them to the player. As a result, I have no headaches about the file type what-so-ever. :)

[Reiver_Fluffi]

read this

I read that and it again mentioned per-copy licence fees for players - so how do the costless programs like Winamp etc provide gratis mp3 playing ability if they have to pay a per-copy licence? Doesn't sound like a good business model. Unless it's not true for players, just for encoders perhaps.

Except I also read this.

 

Hmmm, the mp3 license is surrounded by controversy in europe at the moment:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5326660.stm

[neddie]

Interesting - didn't know this:

Patents on MP3 expire in 2010, when the technology becomes freely available..

[JonEberger]

Now you've run out of one more excuse: http://www.rockbox.org/

 

:P

 

don't know about .ogg support for iTunes though?

 

Do you use it? I'd be interested in hearing some first-hand feedback on it? I'm in the same boat as a lot of the rest of us. We own an iPod mini and it's great (probably one of the better gadgets we've ever bought). But there's no ogg support. Between two of us, we actually do fill up near the 4GB storage capacity.

 

 

Interesting - didn't know this:

Patents on MP3 expire in 2010, when the technology becomes freely available..

 

That is interesting! I think mp3s gained their popularity (for the average joe) when the whole download illegal music revolution was going on. 'mp3' became a household term in a really short amount of time. I would say that some of these other formats will really have to gain popularity in order to hold their ground when this happens simply because of how common 'mp3' is now as a term.

[Reiver_Fluffi]

Interesting - didn't know this:

Patents on MP3 expire in 2010, when the technology becomes freely available..

 

IIRC you can only hold a patent for fixed time, it's never indefinite.