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Lately I have been playing with both mepis and pclinuxos, but I'm not real happy with either one. Not that I have many faults with them, I'm just not ready to stick with them. (Especially since with pclinuxos cannot open any file on my windows partition, for some strange reason.)

 

So now I'm getting YOPER 2.1.0-4. Has anyone here played with yoper lately? how is it. About a year ago I remember reading here about how yoper wasn't quite ready and to wait a while. so I waited and now I'm ready to try it. Am I wasting my time with this one?

 

Go back to Mandy you say??

 

Stick with windows?? (WHAT??) :screwy:

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Never liked Yoper, and I never will- the glitches are too many to mention.

Mepis is noobie-friendly but flawed by definition (mixing Sarge and Sid is a particularly stupid idea!- actually Kanotix which is more or less of the same philosophy, but using pure Sid, is way better), but PCLOS is not bad at all- just lacking (especially when coming to the bloated, dysfunctional kernels Ocilent rolls for the distro).

A Linux noob, nevertheless, should toy around PCLOS and see if he can handle it- shouldn't be so difficult, especially if he bites the bullet and decides rolling a custom kernel.

A Total n00b may have to re-discover Mandy. Myself has opted for something which is simple/braindead to manage (even if the management is done via CLI), is bleeding edge or something close to that, and kicks off the Gentoo philosophy (even if compiling everything from source and messing around with the XXX optimization flags does not sum up to a faster system, it's fun and a learning experience)....

My Gentoo experience teached me nothing at all- so I opted for a distro that takes advantage of new hardare (i686), is as simple as it gets, and leaves you choices.

I believe that everybody in this forum knows already which is my preferred Linux distro.

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I believe that everybody in this forum knows already which is my preferred operationg system.

 

Windows? :cheeky:

 

 

I used yoper when every it first came out and that was about it.

 

For me the big 3 are

 

rh/fedora/centos - anything redhatish

solaris 10/nevada

freebsd

 

On my main box I have spent about the last 3-4 weeks in bsd and boot into fedora and solaris to do some other stuff, but I have a lot of box'n running various things ;)

 

Freebsd has just caught my attention a lot with this last release and I'm enjoying it a lot.

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It' not worth testing Yoper at the moment. Not before January 2006 when the new release is expected to be ready. The old versions had too many bugs imho (with lilo not working on some systems being one of the lesser problems). The developers are rebuilding everything from scratch now, using Linux From Scratch for the job and they want to do more serious bugtesting than the "old Yoper crew" which simply released new versions without proper testing. The distro is ~90% finished, according to the developers, including a new graphical installer, built from scratch again.

 

Oh, Yoper 2.1 is incompatible with the latest packages they build for 2.2, so don't even think of upgrading a 2.1 system to 2.2.

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Ok, so I guess I'll wait a little longer, or maybe I'll just pass on Yoper.

 

 

I keep debating on whether or not to play with Fedora, although I do prefer rpm based distros over debian ones, but thats just me. So now with a new fedora out, maybe, just maybe I'll try it. (It was Red Hat 7.1 that I originally wanted to try with Linux, but my friend who burned to isos, botched them and I went to walmart and bought mandy7.2.)But anyways........

 

 

Don't we all prefer windows? lol

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The latest PCLinuxOS 9.2 is fairly good- been toying with it for a few days and so far practically everything works as advertised. Much alike Mandy, but with more up-to-date packages, a clean "desktop-only" orientation and less bugs.

Still, you should bite the bullet and build a custom kernel of your own- the stock one has too many things that you probably never need...

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I've tried a few distros, but very few. Debian I had installed, but couldn't get Synaptics to install the updates. I would get it to select them automatically, but the Apply button remained greyed out.

 

Gentoo I spent two days trying to get a system to work. It booted, and I was at the CLI prompt, no problem there, but X just wouldn't work, so I couldn't get my choice of desktop - KDE at all. Plus, I could never get the console screen after bootup to be any more than 80x25, so can only assume I didn't get my kernel compiled correctly, or that it wasn't specified correctly in LILO/GRUB, but I believe it was?!?

 

I have tried Slackware, but I've only used this at the command line, since this was all my requirements have been for it so far (server based).

 

Xandros I installed in VMware at the weekend to see how it looks. It looks OK, but I think I prefer using Mandriva. Look and feel is fine, but I think it might be a bit restrictive in what it has to offer. The free version seems to be desktop only, and I'm not sure whether I could get server-related services easy enough by using their package manager. Although I'm sure I could compile them easily enough.

 

I think I feel more comfortable with Mandriva, and it just works for me. But we all have different opinions :P

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so i love me some mandriva. but that' s not to say i don't like others also.

 

i recently installed an OLD version of fedora core. 3 i think. it's smooth and pretty fast. it's also pretty. the default choices for everything are unobtrusive and clean. the biggest thing i don't like about 2005 (haven't given 2006 a shot yet) is the freaky penguin with stars in his eyes.

 

i installed ubuntu a while back. it's clean and nice. apt is a wonderful application. the problem for me was that i just didn't have time to learn where files get placed when i already know them somewhere else.

 

i gave pure debian a try a while ago on a laptop. it was my first foray into a non-rpm-based linux. it was clean and simple to use.

 

suse is pretty too. the personal ed's are super slick. esp. if you're trying to push a windows friend into a linux. it works well.

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Ok Forget I ever said anything about using Yoper, lets pretend I meant Fedora. I see that I have a couple of months for 5 to be final, so I guess I would have to try 4. Since I mainly use my pc for the internet, playing games and watching dvd's, am I going to have any problems setting these up? I mean, will I run into dependancy hell or will apt-get {package} get me taken care of? I'm guessing so, but I really haven't done my homework on this distro, other than knowing it has little multimedia at first, although cyberjackle has always raved about it. So I guess I'm looking for Artic and Cyber to steer me.

 

 

 

Also will my mandrive rpms work with Fedora???? just kidding. I will check out the fedora project site and probally get most of my questions anwered, but I'm sure I'll have more.

 

Thanks

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So you are keen on testing Fedora? Okay, so let's answer some questions fast.

 

Fedora 4 installs smoothly on 90% of the systems. It uses grub as bootmanager and anaconda for graphical install, so the installation is pretty easy for everyone. What is different is the package manager. It is yum, a command-line tool (there is a graphical frontend for it available online, called yumex). Yum is easy to use.

yum search <searchterm, packagename,...>

yum install <package>

yum update

are the most often used commands. Yum handles dependencies very well. Apt for rpm is no longer used in fedora.

 

Don't forget to take a look here

https://mandrivausers.org/index.php?showtopic=27486

The links cover multimedia and such stuff for Fedora. If you need help, feel free to ask anything you need/want to know.

 

PS.: can't tell a lot about gaming as I don't play games, but from what I read, it works well as a gaming platform.

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  • 4 weeks later...

I'm not the Linux expert or guru, but I have played around with a couple of distros here and there.

 

First, I love Mandriva. Being a student at a university, I want a Linux distro that doesn't require much of my time to get up and running, and Mandriva pretty much does that for me. Audio works out of box, ethernet and wireless works, everything just works (except my FireGL card; I can't get the damn thing to accelerate in 3D). It's the perfect thing for someone who hates Windows and doesn't have the time to fiddle around with buidling a custom kernel.

 

I have also tried Fedora Core 1, 3, and 4, and I like them all. It's pretty stable and easy to use, except the video drivers almost always seem to be a problem. I heard FC2 was pretty bugged out, so I didn't try it.

 

Red Hat 7 is also pretty nice, but that was in my CCNA days, so I dont' remember my usability with it.

 

I also tried to use Ubuntu 5.1 (The BREEZY Badger) and it crapped out on video. I will probably try it again soon now that I know more about CLI under Linux, so I can actually configure the video driver to display right. However, I think the '3rd World Softporn' that Ubuntu advertises does turn me off a bit to that distro.

 

SuSE is also a favorite of mine, since it also just works like Mandriva. The Live CD I tried back in 2001 was awesome and I'm looking forward to trying SuSE 9 or 10.

 

I'm too newb to use Gentoo or Slackware (especially on this HP crapware), so I won't try it anytime soon.

 

I LOVE THIS FORUM!

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Hi Grendal,

I've tried Yoper but had similar problems. It may help to look in the YOPER installation guide before giving up. Considering the older versions are almost totally the work of one(!) single person, Andreas Giradet, its quite a feat in itself. The ideas behind Yoper, to make it really fast, are certainly very good without any doubt. Lets hope the next version works as it should. If it does, that distro will really take off!

Helmut

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