linux_learner Posted March 22, 2004 Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 i think the title says it all. go read the review and lets see what you think. http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6327 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeeDubb Posted March 22, 2004 Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 I think it was a pretty fair review. My experience has been similar. I'm on a 1.2 ghz athlon on a damaged mother board. I find that my computer is both faster and more stable in all applicaitons than any previous release i've tried. i also found a number of naggin problems after the initial glow wore off. Like my printer completely failing to work (though that's fixed now) and some conflicts between my dial-up and my ethernet, also fixed now. I love the autoplay dvd and audio cd feature. I have reconfigured it to autoplay my DVD's in xine in fulscrean mode. Life is good. Theonlyplace I thought he was at all unfair was talking about mandrakes QA department (I'm assuming he meant QC). However, I can't blame him as this restructuring of th release pattern is confusing. I do have to sayon a side note, that I think mandrake would do well to reduce the number of releases. I think 2 versions per year is allready too much, and to double that so there's a CE and official of each is asking for trouble. I understand why they're doing it,to help smoke the bugs out before selling retail packages, but I think it would be better if they just slowed their releases to accomplish the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvc Posted March 22, 2004 Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 a review for an rc/non-Final? k I thought it was funny though that someone who had never heard of eroaster emailed mdkSoft :lol: .....not that newbies don't have an opinion, they just shouldn't have a review for all to see on a major linux new site. how can anyone :sad: over an rc/non-Final? (not an actual question) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitor Posted March 22, 2004 Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 I agree with Veedub: I do have to sayon a side note, that I think mandrake would do well to reduce the number of releases. I think 2 versions per year is allready too much, and to double that so there's a CE and official of each is asking for trouble. I understand why they're doing it,to help smoke the bugs out before selling retail packages, but I think it would be better if they just slowed their releases to accomplish the same. I was planning to do some testing on a beta / RC. But as I don't have an enormous lot of time, when I was ready to install the beta the RC was there, when I had downloaded the RC, CE was already announced. It just went too fast for me to help in testing. They should give more time for that , and if that means one release a year instead of two, that's OK by me. Ciao, Sitor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aRTee Posted March 22, 2004 Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 You guys miss one important point: Mandrake (as all linux distros) has to make 2 releases per year at least for hardware support. No one is forcing you to upgrade. As someone who once had to compile a kernel for something as simple as dvd playback (chipset too new, no dma), which was really not clear as to where the problem really was, I know what I'm talking about. The hardware cycle is at high speed, so linux software releases must be fast too. I realise this brings along many inconviences, but considering the alternatives, I'm a taker. Also, the software improvements are going very fast, so there's an advantage there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthur Posted March 22, 2004 Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 By the time M$ releases Longhorn or XP Service pack 2, Linux will be breathing down its neck. :D :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitor Posted March 22, 2004 Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 aRTee, You are very right that HW support is very important, but I do not think that does mean that you need to create a new version per sé. I should think that it would be possible to include such support in an update. Anyhow, what I'm saying is that there is a quality issue, and that in order to fix it, more time should be given to people who are willing to test to do so. Ciao, Sitor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmpatrick Posted March 22, 2004 Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 I don't think the release cycle is going to change any time soon. Apart from the technical reasons noted above, the only way linux distros can make money is to issue a new release. The alternative would be to charge for updates which I don't think anyone would like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Adriano Posted March 22, 2004 Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 a review for an rc/non-Final? k I thought it was funny though that someone who had never heard of eroaster emailed mdkSoft :lol: .....not that newbies don't have an opinion, they just shouldn't have a review for all to see on a major linux new site. how can anyone :sad: over an rc/non-Final? (not an actual question) A couple of points: - Perhaps Eugenia hasn't yet realised this is a Release Candidate, and dubs it as a stable release. - OSNews isn't a major Linux news site. It's a major BeOS news site . As an aside, I've always thought someone with the kind of jihad that Eugenia pushes about GUI perfection should at least learn how to write in English properly, shouldn't they? - What's eroaster? Perhaps it has been deservedly (or is it deservingly) forgotten... I certainly would like to forget about X-CD-Roast. Now _that_ is a GUI nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvc Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 (edited) a review for an rc/non-Final? k I thought it was funny though that someone who had never heard of eroaster emailed mdkSoft :lol: .....not that newbies don't have an opinion, they just shouldn't have a review for all to see on a major linux new site. how can anyone :sad: over an rc/non-Final? (not an actual question) A couple of points: - Perhaps Eugenia hasn't yet realised this is a Release Candidate, and dubs it as a stable release. - OSNews isn't a major Linux news site. It's a major BeOS news site . As an aside, I've always thought someone with the kind of jihad that Eugenia pushes about GUI perfection should at least learn how to write in English properly, shouldn't they? - What's eroaster? Perhaps it has been deservedly (or is it deservingly) forgotten... I certainly would like to forget about X-CD-Roast. Now _that_ is a GUI nightmare. 1. Someone that out of touch shouldn't be writing a review. 2. OK, beos, I wouldn't know, I don't waste so much time with others opinions. :D I just see links about linux posted for there all the time. :unsure: 3. You've never seen eroaster either? :o I've never installed and configure mandrake and NOT seen eroaster :D Edited March 23, 2004 by bvc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeeDubb Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 a review for an rc/non-Final? k I thought it was funny though that someone who had never heard of eroaster emailed mdkSoft :lol: .....not that newbies don't have an opinion, they just shouldn't have a review for all to see on a major linux new site. how can anyone :sad: over an rc/non-Final? (not an actual question) You have to admit the new release schedule is wacky at best. I realy can't blam the guy for not understanding that this isn't final, as it IS a release and not a release candidate. It's a release by definition just because they released the thing outside of cooker, but it's not "realy a final" as such. i have never heard of a software company doing such a thing. Just hink how many posts there have been just in this forum about whether or not it's a "fianl" release and just exactly what it is if not final. And we all use mandrake every day and follow it's development. Also, I have to disagree about the idea that he shouldn't have a published review. I think reviews by nobs are often the most telling. The review that made me try my first distro (Lycoris) was by a non-linux person as was the review of mandrake that made me give linux a second chance after the dismal failure of lycoris. If some boob that can't tell the difference between an RC and a cinal can set it up, then that says a lot. nobody gives a hoot if Linus Torvalds can set up the distro. you know what I mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarissi Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Calling it a final was the first Error I noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aRTee Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Final, rc, ah well... Eugenia is a woman. Not a man, hence, not 'he'. Veedubb, look at debian, then tell me there is no similar software release process. Sid, Sarge, Woody. Testing, Unstable, Stable, don't know which order... I for one, applaud Mandrake for the new release cycle, and I applaud Eugenia, for indicating what she thinks Mandrake may want to improve before 10.0 Official. And also, she does indicate that there will be an Official Edition. Lastly, I may not always agree with her, but in her defence: she is not a linux newbie, certainly not a guru, but she has on average 4 different distro's installed on her 2 or 3 machines. Read some more of her reviews and find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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