bvc Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 (edited) please only vote if you have Lin and Win OS's I've always been curious. Now, I gotta know :D I've spent the last four days attempting to fix and not loose win98 win2k ML-10-beta2 and my share/bkup partition I finally gave in. You can slap me if you want to but I used Partition Magic7's BootMagic for my first 8 or so months of my mandrake linux life w/o any trouble at all. I just bought PM8 and am reverting to it again. Grub/reiserfs/diskdrake have been great, in and of themselves, but they do not play well w/ win. I bought a new 120gb hd in hopes of having less problems and it just cause a complete colapse. I started over completely. Well, except for the real important stuff was backed up on a network win2k pc ;) :deal: So what's your thoughts? Edited February 10, 2004 by bvc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidzoo Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 I use lilo, always have. It works for what I need it for, the configuration is relatively simple now that I know what I'm doing. Why change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvc Posted February 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 (edited) Why change? I'm just to the point that hey!, if I'm gonna have to reinstall in the near future anyway I might as well give PM/BTMagic another shot at it. It's all or nothing, you see? Either linux does it all, which it can't (or rather won't) or win does it all which in my past experience, can. *cough* :D Edited February 10, 2004 by bvc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzatch Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 I use both Lilo on the MBR and lilo on a boot floppy. I just works for me with no problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Thornley Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 (edited) Been using GRUB since SuSE 7.1 through various RedHats and LFS and an attempt at Gentoo and now on MDK 9.2 Used to use LILO, but got used to GRUB and haven't looked back. Scott Edited February 10, 2004 by Scott Thornley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_hallett Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 I use XOSL. You may want to add it to the poll. The xosl.org site is no longer around, but it's still available at the Ranish Partition Manager site. It's a little tricky to get your head around at first, but I like it a lot. It has to use LILO/GRUB to boot Linux though, so not much reason for Linux users to change. I like having a boot loader that's independent of any OS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gowator Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 I multiboot different kernel versions and a couple of distro's and I wouldn't have a clue how to do this in PM etc. (No winBlows at all) Perhaps I could but it ain't broke kinda arguament + Don't you have to set boot magic up under windows or have they got a native linux version now. More interestingly, is anyone using usermode linux...??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qchem Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 I use grub, it looks nice, works well and I know the syntax. All winners in my book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvc Posted February 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 (edited) I use XOSL. You may want to add it to the poll. It's there....."other" Don't you have to set boot magic up under windows or have they got a native linux version now.BTMagic needs win/fat. There's something in the manual about ntfs but since I don't use ntfs I didn't read it. [EDIT] not to mention -->Symantec? linux? yeah right! Symantec wouldn't even let me upgrade my PM7 to 8 since I don't have any registered 'Symantec' products. Jerks. Edited February 10, 2004 by bvc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainierPeak Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 When playing around with Linux distributions (even the non-Linux FreeBSD!) before settling on Mandrake and Librabet, I had to change the boot-loader configuration a lot. This means only one thing: GRUB. LILO's syntax (to me at least) is a lot more confusing, and it doesn't have its own builtin command line or the ability to change configurations before booting. And to boot, you have to rerun /sbin/lilo anytime anything changes. Hence, GRUB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvc Posted February 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 LILO's syntax (to me at least) is a lot more confusing, and it doesn't have its own builtin command line or the ability to change configurations before booting. actually it does....sorta. Say you're boot/kernel parameter for an os named linux has devfs=mount acpi=on hdd=ide-scsi in lilo.conf. At the lilo screen, press Esc>and type linux acpi=off and lilo will pass to the kernel devfs=mount acpi=off hdd=ide-scsi It's not nears as nice and convenient as grub though, and yes, the best part of grub over lilo is not having to run anything for the changes to take effect. Just edit from any distro and you're done. I also agree that it's much easier to understand once you learn how it numbers partitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ixthusdan Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 I have used lilo successfully since I started linux, at Mandrake 7.0 I have always had a windex on my machine, with 2-3 lnux flavors. (OK, I like to play!) The trick with lilo is to know what your system will look like when you are done, and prep the file ahead of time. I also keep a back up of lilo.conf in my /home directory. Actually, preping lilo.conf and fstab are the two secrets to happy multi-booting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvc Posted February 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 (edited) In case anyone is curious.....bootmagic doesn't actually boot linux's. It chainloads (hands off to a linux bootloader). You install the linux bootloader to the /root partition of the distro. BTMagic can then see it and be told to boot to it. People say it adds a complicating process to booting, but if it works, I do not care. Not that grub doesn't work.....I know it does. Lilo? Huh, no comment. [EDIT] k, just one or two....I've seen li one too many times to be convinced it works flawlessly for years. Google and forums proves that it doen't. :D Edited February 10, 2004 by bvc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainierPeak Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 LILO's syntax (to me at least) is a lot more confusing, and it doesn't have its own builtin command line or the ability to change configurations before booting. actually it does....sorta. Say you're boot/kernel parameter for an os named linux has devfs=mount acpi=on hdd=ide-scsi in lilo.conf. At the lilo screen, press Esc>and type linux acpi=off and lilo will pass to the kernel devfs=mount acpi=off hdd=ide-scsi It's not nears as nice and convenient as grub though, and yes, the best part of grub over lilo is not having to run anything for the changes to take effect. Just edit from any distro and you're done. I also agree that it's much easier to understand once you learn how it numbers partitions. Very interesting indeed; you learn something new about open-source software everyday. :) As you say, though, GRUB still rocks in comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonMage Posted February 12, 2004 Report Share Posted February 12, 2004 lilo for me.. at least I know how to do workarounds just in case lilo dies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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