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Hello, Good to know how to fix if this happens to me. I updated on March 19 and did not have any problems like that. When did you guys update (in case this is a bug that got into the updates at a certain point in time)? Ciao, Sitor

leebrendalee, In your other thread you asked for some basic info on Mandrake Linux. Here are some sites that have helped me about half a year ago: 1. aRTee's site: aRTee is also a visitor of this board, and gives very good advice. His site is (I think) exactly what you wanted. 2. This site discusses how to configure Mandrake 9.1. Most of this was still valid for 9.2 and probably even still is for 10.0. Warning: Under Windows this site gives you a lot of annoying pop-up windows, not under Linux. 3. Once you got Mandrake installed, you might need help to find out which application can help you. The Table of equivalents site helps you with that by giving Linux equivalents to software that runs on M$ Windoze. Oh, and since you have a Celeron CPU, you need the I586 version. From the error message, it looks like you tried AMD64 first. Don't try PPC, it will fail again. As a background: there are different consecutive versions of Mandrake Linux (9.1, 9.2, 10.0, etc.). Each of these version are ported to different computer architectures (I586, PPC, AMD64,...). The most known architecture is the PC architecture (Intel and Intel-like CPU's). This is always the first supported architecture. The other architectures like PowerPC (PPC) and 64 bit (AMD 64) are supported later for the same version of Mandrake. Have fun, Sitor

I agree with Veedub: I was planning to do some testing on a beta / RC. But as I don't have an enormous lot of time, when I was ready to install the beta the RC was there, when I had downloaded the RC, CE was already announced. It just went too fast for me to help in testing. They should give more time for that , and if that means one release a year instead of two, that's OK by me. Ciao, Sitor

Hello, I succesfully updated from ftp://ftp.surfnet.nl/ (I don't know the full path, since I'm at work and I don't have ftp access here). Most of the other update sources (if not all) are not yet in service for 10.0 CE. If you start the Update from rpmdrake it is listed in the Netherlands sites. Hope this helps, Sitor

Well wadujunow, Tried again this evening with exactly the same source in the same way and this time it worked. I can only assume that last time the FTP site was overloaded or being updated or something. There was just an incompatibility, which required me to uninstall kdetoys first. After that everyting installed fine. Ciao, Sitor

As I said, have no experience with 64 bit, so I would rather trust on aRTee's opinion then mine (he has much more experience with Linux in any case). Ciao, Sitor

Version 10.0 CE indeed. Got a whole bunch of bad signature errors + curl errors. What is the update source you are using? I think it is source dependant (if they are in synch or not maybe). Thanks for letting me know, Sitor

Hello, I have never run software on 64 bit, so take this with some reserve. I'll just state here what my understanding is: 1. As far as I know the AMD64 releases lack behind to the 32 bit releases. So I do not think that 10.0 will already run on it. But that is something that you should be able to check with Mandrake themselves. In any case you need to use another version (specifically compiled for AMD64) then the 32 bit version of Mandrake. 2. Sorry, can't help you with that one. 3. Not in 10.0, no. 4. I should think so yes. There are in any case rpms and updates available for AMD64 that you can access with the Mandrakeclub standard membership. 5. Honestly no clue. 6. There is the known problem that CD1 does not boot with a lot of CDROM drives, you can go around by booting from CD2, and once booted, switching to CD1. 7. I do not think so. It is my understanding (but I'm not too sure), that all software you use, should be compiled for AMD64. Now, this should be the case for all SW that is part of the Mandrake distro. However, SW that comes from other sources might not be compiled for AMD64. You might have to compile some stuff yourself. 8. Not me. 9. Check what the Mandrake HW Database contains on that HW. 10. Well, I don't know all the advantages of the new kernel. What I experienced on my HW that I can link directly to the kernel is that booting is faster. Don't know for the rest what is kernel, KDE, or Application related. Hope this helped some. Sitor

Hello, Have been having update problems as well. What is the update source that you have been using? Ciao, Sitor

You can install Mandrake on much less then 8GB, but that of course depends on what of Mandrake you install, the amount of space you want to foresee for your own data, ... The amount of space required for SWAP is something you need to decide however. 2GB seems very much too me. There seems to be no clear cut answer as to what is the correct figure. Up till now the rule of thumb I have seen used most is to have the SWAP about the same size as the physical memory of the machine (don't know where that rule comes from, or what it is based on though). I can testify however that 512 MB lets you have a machine running very OK. Depends naturally if you use a lot of memory hungry apps or not. A lot of success! Ciao, Sitor

Only concerns Flemish people: the Vlaamse Technische Kring Gent organizes free trainings on the installation of a Mandrake system (dual boot). If you know someone that might want to give Linux a try... More info on LinuxBelgium. Ciao, Sitor

Update did not work for me. One of the dutch sites gives me the update list, but when I try to perform the update, I get a whole bunch of errors. From missing signatures to curl problems. How does it work to update from cooker? Ciao, Sitor

Sorry, I've only moved to Mandrake after having ADSL (I'm still a newbie myself), so can't help with dial up modems. You can always try a search on this board. Pretty sure it will have been discussed already. Good luck and much fun with Mandrake (you made a good choice), Sitor

Anon, You keep saying all the time it is not a final. Most people, and certainly newbies, understand thus it is an unthrustworthy thing like an RC. That is not correct. In that case, maybe I should change my plee: Please do not state anymore that it is not a Final, state that it is a CE that is stable but might still have some quality issues. That people that cannot or do not want to deal with workarounds required for bugs, migh want to wait for the Official. Saying it is NOT Final, does not make sense, since the term Final does not exist anymore, and it gives a complete wrong impression of CE. Thanks in advance for taking that into account. And if you say that you never said it was an RC, then I guess you never meant to say so. In that case, please honour our plea to chance your initial post: and This is what we are trying to ask you all this time. Pleeaase change it!! Sitor (in the role of stubborn donkey).

Anon, No you are right, I know. It will never be a 10.0 Final, it is CE now, and at a certain point it wil become Official, but never Final. But we're having this discussion already in that other thread aren't we? I'll try the updates this evening or tomorrow. Way too little time to spent on my box. I have a wife and kids, practise two sports and sing in a chorus. Don't start laughing, it is a great hobby. Very relaxing, and it gives me the sensation of being applauded by a crowd of several hundreds of people once every couple of months. But the result is that there is only very little time left for my fourth hobby: Mandrake Linux. I visit this board during my lunch (eat sandwiches in the meanwhile), if work allows, but only have once or twice a week to really play with my Mandrake box. Ciao, Sitor

Anon, I think we will all agree to move if everyone starts to use the new terminology. Just speak about CE as CE. Vent whatever you will about the quality about CE (but then with facts on CE). If you want to advice newbies not to use CE but to wait for Official, OK with me. But do not call CE an RC anymore. Please! It is complicated enough for newbies that have to learn a whole bunch of new terminology (I know, I'm still in the process). If you will use your own terminology because you do not like the one that has been (re)defined by MandrakeSoft, you just make it harder to them. And by the way, I think the quality of the 10.0 CE is at least equal to 9.0, 9.1 and 9.2 final. Which is a very good sign for 10.0 Official, but which also means that (in my opinion) 10.0 CE is certainly doable for newbies. So bottom line: move on with each one his own opinion, OK, but as long as your initial post remains as it is, we (at least I) will keep bugging you. Belgians (and certainly Flemish, can be very stubborn donkeys too! Ciao, Sitor

This is from memory, so maybe I forget a step somewhere, but if you look around a bit, you will find it. Installing software in Mandrake is quite simple. Look in the menu's for the MCC (Mandrake Control Centre). Open it (you will have to give in the root password), and go to rpmdrake (with the green +). Then you can fill in the name (or part of it) of the package you want to install. It will search in the list of packages it knows (depends on the sources for packages that it was given, you can add sources to it, see the Penguin Liberation Front for more info). It will give you a list of packages with the search term, select the ones you want (you can install a whole lot of software at the same time), and click install. Mostly this works like a charm. Alternatively, you can search for a rpm package you want from sites like rpmfind (there are probably better ones), and search for a Mandrake 9.2 rpm of your soft. Then download it, just open it from Konqueror (your root PW will be requested), and the soft will be installed. There are other ways, more powerfull, via command line commands. But for a newbie, the above will be easier. Just some infor on rpms: rpm comes from Red Hat Package Manager. As Mandrake is a fork of Red Hat, it uses this technique as an installer. It is a package that knows where on the system it needs to install what files. The installer (e.g. rpmdrake) does that for reading the required info from the rpm. This makes soft installation dead easy. Hope this helps, Sitor

Not a lot of people that wanted to put all tips and tricks together apparently. Everybody just starts a new thread. Oh, well, as long as it's on the board. Just to inform people that might have had the problem that I described above: I tried a mouse from work (a USB optical wheelmouse), and that works 100% correctly. I have to return it though, and I'm afraid that with my own mouse (which I use at work now), the same problem will appear again. I will post again in that case. Sitor

Fahd, I think you can forget about a certification like common criteria or the like. Who would pay for the certification? And even if there would be someone willing to pay, it takes years to get something common criteria certified and ML 10.0 is not even out for a month. In reality common criteria doesn't mean much. It is not usable. Before a soft can be common criteria certified, it is completely outdated. By the way as far as I know there is no OS that has been certified common criteria. There are some that are certified under certain very strict conditions (mostly saying that it is common criteria if you don't hook it up to any network ), but no OS is certified common criteria unconditionally. On your remark: I thus would want to respond: just as if any M$ stuff in use at governments and administrations has been certified. In any case not in the way they use it. And with M$ they don't even know what they run. It could potentially be full of spyware. ML is open source, very little chance it contains any spyware. So if they run M$ as an OS, why wouldn't they want to run ML (no matter if it is 10.0 or an older release)? Ciao, Sitor

Anon, You're a stuborn donkey! aRTee has given you so much reasons to show you are wrong, but you just cannot admit it. It's very simple: MandrakeSoft decides what is a final and what is not, no matter what you think. If they now say there will be two finals, i.o. a final x.0 and another final x.0.1, and they invent there own naming for it, that is their decision. I agree with aRTee that the fact that this thread exists where you claim it otherwise is about the only thing that creates confusion for new ML users (they will find the forum very early). They are not yet used to the old terminology, so for them the new terminology would be 100% acceptable, and you insisting that the official terminology is not correct, only will confuse them. Just stop resisting the change, and accept it. And please do edit you initial post like aRTee pleed for, so that new users are not confused. Sitor

My experience: Everything works faster then before (including Mozilla). KDE 3.2 is great. Have had a problem with my mouse, but now that I just exchanged my mouse at home with that at work, problem is gone. I have not installed the updates yet, maybe that would have fixed the problem as well. Haven't had a lot of time to play with it yet though (even have to install Flash and Acrobat reader still). Whole in whole I think 10.0 CE rocks big time. Ciao, Sitor

OK, Here are my two cents: 1. Earlier a final release was not enough tested. Mainly because there are not enough people around who want to put time in somehting they will not be using afterwards. 2. Mandrake wanted to improve the quality of their product. Now IMHO, 10.0 CE is as final as 9.2 was. Simply because of the freezing of the versions of the packages in it. In a release candidate one can have quite some surprises such as XFree86 version 4.4 not being supported further, but a return to version 4.3. This is not something that will be happening to a CE release. So I think this discussion that has been going on about whether 10.0 CE is a RC or a final is wrong. There is now an additional type of release. Earlier there were Betas, RCs and Final. Now there are Betas, RCs, CEs and Officials. People that did not want to do testing on Betas and RCs because lack of time, but want the new Mandy from the moment that it is frozen (and are prepared to have to find some workarounds for some reamining problems), take the CE version. That's what has always existed. However the new thing is (and that did not exist before), is that people that do not want to risk any problem at all and are prepared to wait for the new goodies, will have the opportunity now to buy a version with bug fixes included (what is now called the Official). This will also be sold in the boxed format. I think this is a very good development for the Linux community. A lot of people (maybe even most people) are not prepared for bleeding edge with all the problems that come with it. Up till now those people just waited, but had to buy a CD that contained an enormous lot of bugs and had to download hundreds of MBs of updates. Now the updates will be way less. This will help again to reach the less computer savy, reach a public with less "nerdness". I think this is another good step forward. This is also how I understood the communications from Mandrake from the start, so I so not really get what is so confusing and why people are having such a negative attitude again. Mandrake added something, they did not take anything away. Ciao, Sitor

I fully agree with aRTee. However if there are less bugs listed for 10.0 then e.g. for 9.2, then I think that indeed a lot less people are installing. Don't get me wrong, I think 10.0 rocks, but there are quite a lot of issues. But overcoming them is certainly worth it. Ciao, Wim

Thanks for all the answers aRTee. A very good help. Ciao, Wim

Nice, but then again, the people of this board don't expect any less from you. Thanks aRTee for all the effort you spend to help out all us newbies. This will come in handy when I have finally converted my brother. Ciao, Sitor