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See new theread im about to start in INSTALLING.

I get exactly the same error message and stuff with my Nvidia GF2. Same refuses to start stuff and from the same place. I tried the (boxset) CD's and got the same erros as described fro other chipsets, namely the DRAKE tool. There is tons of stuff missing from the /etc/X11/init directories is the reason. I did a expert text ... and still the same thing. I have a set of newer CD's I bough to replace the boxset. (Came with a mag). I'll try another install tonight, its quicker than redoing all the .Xservers and .X,, stuff.

I get exactly the same error message and stuff with my Nvidia GF2. Same refuses to start stuff and from the same place. I tried the (boxset) CD's and got the same erros as described fro other chipsets, namely the DRAKE tool. There is tons of stuff missing from the /etc/X11/init directories is the reason. I did a expert text ... and still the same thing. I have a set of newer CD's I bough to replace the boxset. (Came with a mag). I'll try another install tonight, its quicker than redoing all the .Xservers and .X,, stuff.

Try what tyme said, Check the actual resolution of your monitor. Make SURE its is 1024x768 At the bottom is the link to the driver maintainer, this is linux after all. I pulled offf the relevant stuff but check it out anyway :-) Assuming you have the SIS Card (315) this is a tricky card. SIS 315 series drivers should include support for a second CRT/LCD/TV out, the exact use of the second screen seems to depend on the actual card and if you might have AN OEM VERSION. Thus your sis driver should be the right one, it reportedly supports 315,550,650,651,M650 and the 740 which are apprently all the same series. If Im being vaugue here its becuase SIS refuse to release the architecture. If I was struggling with this I'd uncomment out the SWCursor and stick in a "YES" or maybee "1". Same for NoAccel, and Force CRT1. Then if it works you should be able to incrementally try adding them one at a time. I suspect it might be trying to use CRT1 and CRT2. A further thing is the XFree driver only supports the default resolution for TFT panels. When it displays at something else this is done through software interpolation and this doesn't work with that driver. Thus if its really a 1280x1024 IT WILL NOT WORK at 1024x768 with the SIS driver. If you monitor is DCC complient then Xfree will automatically set horis/vert refresh frequencies, try deleting them. Also problems have been reported in 24bit colour with the refresh rate. Apparently then you must be extra careful with the refresh rates so I'd get it all working in 16bpp first. Once you have the driver running properly at 16 bpp and the correct resolution then you can try other colour depths. If you use xf86cfg you can actually increment and decrement them and see the effect live. It then writes the modeline for you. Edit: Thanks tyme. From here selct the SIS drivers penguin (duh) http://www.winischhofer.net/

Has anyone worked out how to get different concurrent versions of OpenOffice yet installing from RPM? when i try on install it lets me but then defualts to the last language installed. If I try and add later it deinstalls the previous and installs the new one. What I want is to log in as a different user and have the whole Office (interface,dialogs etc) not just spell checker etc in the locale...

This is what I meant. If it all works then fine but once you get in a mess it isn't well thought out. Just a bit of 'exotic hardware' or error on reading the CD's is enough to leave you having overwritten partitions (perhaps correctly). I reinstalled on my problem machine in expert text and got much farther but the Xserver is still refusing to load. Its not a big deal, hell I remember Slackware 2.0 and I can happily just recompile XFree from source but then I was trying to use the installer. I managed some better media this time, my boxed set CD's were full of errors and not even round. The edges are all rough. Anyway I managed to pick up a magazine 3 disk copy yesterday for 5Euros and I can read all the CD's. (I can't copy the old ones without errors). I had hoped they'd contain the new packages .... it seems not so I still have however many Gigs of updates to download. I see lots of people including newbies installed first time. I would count myself as fairly seasoned and perhaps the sucessful installs without the updates havn't included the deps problems I saw. Same goes for the 'this isn't supposed to happen message' when I try RPMDRAKE.

This works if you tell lilo to use /mnt/etc/lilo.conf and /mnt/boot. You can 'chroot /mnt ' first makuing /mnt > / Then lilo doesn't need any config parameters. Somewhere there could be a FAQ article on this???

When this is up and working make sure to say how ..... Its a long time till christmas but I feel a naughty spending spree coming on :-)

If your not feeling adventurous you could just install a ethernet modem instead for about 50 quid. I never really liked the idea of running a network protocol through USB. Even if you don't have a network card they're dirt cheap (10 quid) (Im typing on a French keyboard so I don't have a pound sign :-)) just a suggestion depending how much time you have :-) You can choose FlatPanel as an option for the monitor and then the resultion of the monitor iself. If your running VESA it shouldn't do any harm but it will be slow. If DRAKXConfig isn't working you can try other options, if they weren't installed its easy from the RPMDRAKE. xf86cfg. This is pretty good, you just need a working X to run it. xf86config. Old and outdated but sometimes a good way to just get X up and running. XFRee86 -configure this should autodetect and stick a sample XF86Config in your home directory, you can examine it and then startx -xf86config <location of generated file> If you also run pciinfo and dump the output it might help too. There is also a log of the X startup in /var/log/XF86 .... dah dah.log

aRtee gave me another idea, how about an X25 home control thing.

Thks ArTee. I'd though of it in the past but dismissed it. The machines will be put away at night and we were trying to get TFT's behind plexiglass so we can put advertising (sic) or live video direct onto the screens. I was looking at XBoxes - let M$ subsidise me. How to you get the Composite Video onto the TFT's though, any ideas??? Goes back to the thread about a standard PC for distribution... Mainly, how much modification would i need to do of the bootable CD... Could mount homes on a server and reassign anything that needs /var I guess. Back to smoking :-) I have a friend works for a cancer charity in Paris who was telling us (locals at my local) that French smoking related deaths are lower than the UK.) I was absent and got dragged in as someone to check it out and he's not only right but its MUCH less than the US. Quite why/how it works I don't know but those are the official WHO figures! Like you say, everyone in Paris smokes....:-/ perhaps I shall one day be one of those that donj't again but I hope I don't become a hypocrite.

Cannonfodder: Personally, I wouldn't go to a non smoking bar/coffee place. What you are missing is that if you smoke regularly, you are addicted to a drug harder to break than coke. Banning people from doing it isn't like banning chewing gum in Singapore. Like many drugs it is after the intial period a negative effect. You smoke to feel normal not to get a hit. I'm not arguing that smoking is a good thing but those who ban smoking in open air public places are really infringing the civil liberties of those who have chosen to smoke. Whereas it might be inconvenient for you to get a smell of smoke as you walk through a park not being able to smoke leaves the addict in far worse mental shape. Its totally out of balance! If it wouldn't affect business then why aren't there more non-smoking bars volunterally? However this isn't really the point! I did quit for two years but in all that time I never felt free. As a non smoker you are missing the feeling of dread I have when boarding a plane scheduled for a one hour flight and hoping not to be stuck on the tarmac. You can't get it but suffice to say on the occaision I was on a plane which looked like it really might have to make a forced landing all I could think about was just put the thing in the nearest field so I can have a F* cigarette. Smokers are already pretty much stopped from doing lots of things, I had two patches and a nicotine inhaler to see matrix reloaded! That the first time Ive been in a cinerma for a long time.... Yes it sad! but think what it means to have the last places taken away, places where you aren't really damaging other people (like a park). Yes it smells a bit but so does horse shit when you tread in it or should horse riding be banned in Central Park too? British airways did a big study with a outside consultancy for lots of $$$$$ to investigate why cases of air-rage have increased while they have decreased the amount of alcohol they serve! Big surprise, its nicotine addicts getting nervous/irritable/whatever... Akll they had to do was ask ... I'm certainly not against promoting giving up smoking but FORCING people is an infringement on their liberties. Ban advertising .yeah Like tyme I'm careful not to smoke around kids. If a friend quits I will support them not make fun of them but if anything banning me from more and more places just makes me less determined to quit!

OK, I like the sound of that but I'm currently using them to fill shelf space act as paperweights and all manner of inventive uses.... I just thought there might be another use??? :D

I think I know what Steve means..... I did by backup partition by mistake too. Luckily I'd copied everything over the network first :-) The problem seems to be its been simplified to the point where once you don't conform to the 'standard' machine you get in a real mess. It kinda lulls you into a false sense of security... The click and read just too late syndome takes over becuase you have little to do and concentrate less. I have installed a lot of Mandrake distro's but I found 9.1 the most frustrating. If you just do everything in expert I guess you'd be OK. The problem Steve points out is sending a newbie back to the dark side. Personally I think that pretty important and Mandrake not only affect Mandrake but it could put people of other linux distro's too. The polished install isn't really that good if you have some hardware issues and just gives a false sense of security. Like Steve I don't count myself a newbie... yet I wanted to try the new install with unpleasing results. Yet I was oncea newbie and slackware 2 was a steep learning curve. I did however manage it as a newbie .... The RTFM and manuals made it plain i'd be messing about for a while but I had a sense of achievement. Now I go through the install and feel dissapointed, I can't put my finger on why but I had expected something like Lindows or Lycoris but with the extra toys in Mandrake. And I disabled autologin but wanted to boot directly into the dm. It let me deselect the user but didn't book into RL5?? OK its no big deal but it should work.... Has anyone definitivly got USB 2.0 working by the way !!!!

OK guys and a few girls.... Inventive uses for the following generic SPECS Rules are spend little or no money, have fun the wackier the better!!! OH and it must run a linux kernel :-) (I thought that was obvious) :D P100 -64MB, 2GB disk, crappy graphics (1-2MB or less) P500 - 256MB -10GB disk, reasonable graphics (16MB card) Firewalls? routers? proxy servers? NFS /Samba/whatever.... :?: Edits: I thought this might spark some ideas for when people are 'stuck' with an old machine they can't bare to throw out :-) The specs are just examples so feel free to change like the webserver, could add another 40Gb for <50$ for instance. NIC's are ten a penny, my idea (and I actually have an old P90 that will overclock to 100) in my cupboard is to set it up as a router for DSL running NAT so I can use all my machines. This is a use linux to breath the last breaths from your old hardware thing.... :D

its a good thing to check the latecy timings on the chips. Perhaps you are skipping a cycle on some of the RAM and only hitting 1/3 or something. Try with the 32 and then the other 64. Do you have a detect ram timing utility in bios. You might find out that the clock speed for the two is incompatible or that the EDO is not synching in the return mode. (Im presuming its 72 pin stuff). The last number on the chip probably gives its timing if its the older 72pin EDO. -25 etc indicting 25ms latency. Its sometimes difficult to get the magnitude because -2 on a new chip could mean that wheras it could mean -20 on an older one. I remember when the first EDO came out is was around -80 .... You might want to consider leaving the box alone if you have another computer to play with, they can end up being endless money pits. Of course if you enjoy fiddling go ahead.... Alternative solutions are turning it into a router/NFS server/...... In the past Ive had incompatibilites for the same RAM in terms of specs but with different chip configs etc. Older RAM can be really testy..... How about new post ... what do I doi with my ..... Oh Im off to post now.

In all seriousness, which part is it that is meant to offend. SCO don't see fit to disclose ?? When you look at this from a outsoide the industry standpoint it seems like Ford sueing GM for copying the car. Hey look, it has 4 wheels, pedals and runs on gas. Thats just like our model 'T' .. The GM says hey but the Model T was just the first production car. Ford replies saying that GM has copied the process .... dah dah dah. The whole thing just gets ridiculous, UNIX itself has copied several of the good parts of other OS's just like the first car was a steam contraption based on a railway engine which was itself based on a horse drawn carriage. I really can't think of anything to add so Ill just paste in gragonMage and hope he doesn't sue me :-) _________________________________________________________ DragonMage Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 6:10 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Simply put, in SCO's mind, they have nothing to lose and tons to gain by doing this lawsuit. Even if the chance of winning is very remote, it's better than a slow rotting certain death for them. I actually kind of pity the people who work at SCO.. it seems that they are dragged into this by the upper management (McBride) and their lawyers. _______________________________________________________

Erm, will the citrix client connect to MS terminal services ? I think the terminals ervices are just a cut down version of metaframe. If you have DSL at home you could actually run Access on the server at your dads work. The problem with a linux Access read/write is the messy way the jet database is put together with the forms, macros VB code and everything al mixed up. I'd concentrate on being able to open aremote session on the terminal server. The ODBC would mean writing input forms to/from the database. Also the database engine must run somewhere and that somewhere has to be a windows environment. You could make a webform easily enough andconnect to the database at work but it will be a lot of hassle and you'd still need a tunnel. If the ICA client (or another client) works and you have DSL this is absolutely your easiest way. you can check if it will work by installing the Windows version first. The client is free to download at http://www.cirtrix.com If this continues to be a problem email; me and I'll ask another friend who does this all the time.

Hey thanks for everyone. Its good to see so many people coming up with similar ideas I have already thought of. Kinda makes me feel like it'll work. Tyme, You'll like Paris/France. (The bar is in Montpellier though in the South). Cannon fodder: I'd give France a large berth if other people smoking bothers you. (no judgement on either of these even if im biased like Tyme :-) but you really won't like it. ) cjc: Yeah, I know the access will be turned off at night and the PC's inaccessible all of the time.... Also will probably just have a keyboard and mouse accessible. mtweidmann: Yeah thanks, i have a shuttle as my entertainment centre at home. Cool !!!! pmpatrick: Its non PC but as a barman friend of mine did say, tits sell beer :-) Special thanks to Scoopy ... Thanks, I did the same as you a few years back and this time Im looking at the work while getting it going scenario. (Thats why my time is limited :-))

You obviously think like me.... sofa's, good cofee and dogs are pretty much normal in french cafes. I have another idea on the music Webcams are kinda funny, Id have to have a official warning sign, we have them at work in the video conference rooms. Strange, you'd think people would realise they were on video in a video conference! Your right on on the customer support too. The place I wanna do internet access is downstairs so it would be the ambient lighting..... but i toyed with the idea of being able to order on-line!!!! Also next to live band area where I was going to run streaming video at night when the bands are playing.....

Before you do the above (which looks fine) you just need to mkdir /mnt/virtual As it stands you will only be able to access it as root. If thats OK for your purpose then go ahead but be advised most CD apps (XCDRoast) for instance specifically wanr you about running as root. If its a one off (this isn't elegant and for this situaiton only). chmod 777 /mnt/virtual and add under options -o loop,user Im at work on windows so you might wanna check this with the man mount :-)

Yeah, i found it annoying because In used to have DHCP at work and static RFC address at home. In the end I just had two scripts that did it but I forget how since a) Im now using DHCP at home B) I'm not allowed my laptop in work cos I have to use winsh*t. Much as the tools are great for a newbie theres nothing like knowing the config files. If you just wanna play with your IP address thats one thing but if you need DHCP and PPP its a bit more complicated. I didn't see your other post yet but if you just wanna change your IP you can just have two /etc/hosts files and override. If you can be more specfic what parts you wanna override and what you wanna connect I'm sure you'll get some good responses. Not from me though, tomorrow is a holiday and I'm away......

The authentification used to require plain text passwords, I'm not usre it still does but you need either a file called win98plain_text.reg (or similar). Personally, when I do this I pull out the Windows drive and stick it in the linux box (with spare drive installed). Copy everything you need (you need to mount the second drive) or are likely to and then put it back and do the install. Listen to aRtee, UNPLUG the drive with the data on.....that way you can't screw up ..... I'm presuming at this point from your initial post you have plenty of space to put his files... Just copy them to your spare space and you can put em back later. Afterwards you can transfer everything back with NFS .... I also use this method frequently with virus affected drives under windows. Or if the partition table is damaged etc.

OK heres the situation: I'm hoping to change my career and become a bar owner. I want to give internet access and I want to use linux. Unfortunately until tyme gets his Island I still live in the real world and need to keep my full time job ;-) My idea is the access should be free (so long as you are buying) but I need a way to easily limit the access for non-geek barstaff. Room is limited but I also need something that can't be screwed over so I'm looking at a CD distro modified to run through a proxy server. It also needs to be multilanguage etc. so each 'user' would be a language. I was thinking of using Xboxes (with boot from CD) since M$ mightest well subsidise the access. They shouldn't have called it an X box unless they wanted X running on it (:-)) So any ideas, what would you want? Its a French bar so its just as much as coffee shop as a bar .... If you think its a waste of time say so (but say why). Would you mind to pay (so I can recover part of the DSL costs), perhaps a subscription or per use or what. Its not meant to be an internet cafe, I just want to provide a service to a largely student population. Any ideas gratefully received and possibility of modestly paid work if someone can suggest anything blazingly good!

On this point however it would by less work to use the DVD edition. :-)