Reiver_Fluffi

Could you be a bit more polite, please, Reiver?

I do not see how my tone is in anyway different to adamw's opening paragraph (and other statements) which is clearly worded to be sarcastic. I find that to be impolite, but yet neither you nor Greg2 have addressed that! Don't single me out for a behaviour that is not unique to me, otherwise you are just showing favouritism and that is bang out of order!

[Edit - Bad spelling ;)]

I would just note that we're clearly not making out like bandits over here, if you check out our financial results.

IIRC, you have been making "significant" losses for several years now, and don't get me started on the issue of writing off the Goodwill on the Connectiva acquisition within 2 years, that's got "bad investment decision" written all over it. ;)

Reiver, I suppose it's not in your interests to note that our quarterly losses narrowed substantially in the last quarter, or our share price has been rising consistently for the last couple of months, is it? No, thought not.

Wow, excellent attempt at spin, however you would be better off trying that on someone with considerably less business knowledge than I. One quarter is nothing, come back to me when you manage to do that consistently over a year, then I may have to reconsider my opinion. Although, if you want to evaluate the quarter then I could draw a correlation between the appointment of the VC members to the board and your "positive" result. That correlation would indicate that the VC's are the guys with the right business acumen, and not the core Mandriva management!

You do get TWO Powerpack copys of Mandriva for your 78 Dollars.

Arctic, the O/P made no indication that he bought the powerpack subscription. I took it to be that he bought the boxed discs given his lack of a "dedicated internet connection" and the price he paid. While the powerpack subscription entitles you two 2 releases (the term of the subscription is 1 year) as far as I can see the box set does not!

(sorry Dark, I accidentally ignored your point earlier)

you do of course not only support a company, but also human beings that work there.

That's the company's problem, not the consumer.

In my case, it was more of a "Helping out Linux/Mandriva" thing

Mandriva is a company, not a charity. All you are doing is throwing money into a loss making pit. If anyone is responsible for helping the company it is the management, who still receive their salaries despite the lack of performance (although no longer a phenomenon unique to this little French company). If you feel like a little philanthropy, try donating to one of the real community (and not for profit) projects, these guys really need the money.

BTW, does anybody have an 800 number for the mandriva store, I've sent them a message but no ones replied yet. Is there maybe a French holiday or something, or a no work on Friday policy.

Good luck with that one, my remarks about ineptitude above cover customer service and due dilligence.

So I would say yes, you can upgrade if you use the internet repos, but you would have to pay to get the Mandriva 2009 Powerpack CD/DVD set.

Possible, might result in a borked system though.

However, if you tried to update some of the non free (i.e. paid for) proprietary stuff (possibly LinDVD or Cedega?) would you be voilating the licence as you bought the right to use them with a 2008.x base system, not 2009.x. :unsure:

If the licence was independent of the base system, generally you would still only be legally entitled to security updates and bug fixes, not new releases of that software. If the new PP features new releases of said software, then you still wouldn't be entitled to update it. :unsure:

In the event that you would not be able to update proprietary software because of licence resrtictions, surely there's a possibility that you would break dependencies and make that software unusable? :unsure:

If there is no need for the proprietary software, why bother with PP at all?

I hope this makes sense.

So what you're telling me is to CANCEL MY ORDER right.

No, I am stating some of the facts of the sitution. Whether or not you decide to cancel your order is is a decision to be made by you, based on how they facts (not restricted to the statements made in my previous post) fare up against your beliefs!

Will I be able to get Mandriva 2009 for free, or am I just screwed when it comes to Upgrading?

In the absence of further explanation, I am assuming that you are asking if you are able to upgrade to the Mandriva 2009 PP for free?

Are you sitting comfortably?

The short answer:

no!

The long answer:

When 2009 is released, you will be able to install 2009 Free, for free. It won't be an upgrade to 2008 PP, you can't do that. Therefore in order to get 2009 you will either have to pay for 2009 PP to upgrade your 2008 PP installation, or for nothing you can wipe your 2008 PP install completely and install 2009 Free in its place.

our members are quite tolerant.

Hey, speak for yourself :P

Software updates include KDE 3.5.9 (with 4.0.2 available from the official repositories),

Direct BitTorrent download links can be found here, as the mirrors are likely to be overloaded for several days.

There will be a lot of interest from people for KDE 4, yet as you point out 3.5.9 is installed by default and the mirrors will be choked. Therefore wouldn't have been wiser to release an ISO with KDE 4 on it and distribute it via bittorrent, rather than have people updating through the mirrors? :unsure:

Similarly your UK mirror isn't synced, I would have though it to be good practice to make sure that all mirrors were synced before announcing a release. :unsure:

I take it you are trying to compile something?

If so you should be looking to install GTK devel packages.

The fact that Repo's are not available is pretty poor :unsure:

Never update, always install over the old release! The majority of people here will to some extent agree with that.

What I can recall pretty much agrees with what tyme said.

You guys are slacking :P

Waterborne, did you check the md5sum on the ISO before burning?

I agree with arctic, installing Ubuntu is not easier, it is just different.

That is seriously backwards

Sorry, I should have read your first post more clearly, then I would have realised that you have no net connection. Things might be easier for you if you try to solve the problems with your network card first.

Do you know what network controller you have? If not try this at the command line:

lspci | grep ethernet

If you download and install the package like aphelion explained, you will not need to worry about dependencies as the sofware installer should take care of them.

I'm not sure if this applies to 1.5.0.7, but in 2.0.0.12 it's in the options menu on the compose window.

It's especially interesting since they now are in direct competition with Transgaming's Cedega.

Competition encourages innovation and value for money.

Tell them that Yahoo is now tracking IPs of new accounts and will give the next 20 people to sign up $500.

That could work

I use pidgin too, although, if I recall correctly there is a linux client, however it ain't pretty (uses GTK 1 I think :unsure:)

I just checked, it does use GTK 1 and is pretty old (Red Hat 9 days), I wouldn't touch it to be honest.

As a side note, anyone know how to brainwash their friends to ditch their msn accounts for something a bit less evil, like AOL or Yahoo?

First of all there is a lifcycle to every product. E.g. I can get a Pentium4 computer for much cheaper when it was released. Do computer manufacturers insult the users who bought it right after they were released? I don't think so.

Stop comparing apples with oranges. The reason that you can get a Pentium 4 cheaper today than when it was released is because it has been superceeded by more powerful technology. It has been replaced by other products and the price is reduced by competitve market forces, not a heavy discount by the supplier. Mandriva 2008.0 is yet to be replaced by 2008.1. We are talking about a piece of software sold at a significant disount when it is not even 1/4 fo the way through it's lifecycle. Do you know of a Pentium 4 reduced by 84% within 6 months of sale or 1/4 of its product lifecyle?

With a distro like the Mandriva Powerpack (paid version), this would really be an insult to those who paid the full price.

To be fair, by releasing the Powerpack to a magazine they have already insulted those that paid full price.

That's one hell of a time difference in Scotland :o

Fixed

With all this fuss over tyme's resignation, someone forgot to start a new thread.