Post all bugs and problems and comments you have with Thac and Zé's KDE 3.5 rpms in this topic.

* The srpms are not available.

Question for Thac: do depend those rpm's again on PLF and contrib?
And do they depend on a different xorg version than the version that comes with MDV 2006?

Thanks,

chris

* The srpms are not available.
They will be in a little while

Question for Thac: do depend those rpm's again on PLF and contrib?
yes

And do they depend on a different xorg version than the version that comes with MDV 2006?
yes

Thanks, Thac.

Will need to build my own kde 3.5 then, sigh.

First problems: artsdsp doesn't work (for example artsdsp opera gives 'artsdsp works only for binaries'

Kicker: transparency doesn't work (it only works if you edit the kickerrc by hand. same goes for hide/vie applet handles)

I would like to clarify some aspects, in first place remember this is still -kde-3.5.0 beta, so its to expect that some bugs will appear, like for example kicker log out crashes still arent all fixed, remains one to be fixed, arts still crashes some times, and other apps bugs, but these are minor bugs, they dont stop you from using this goog kde-3.5.0, so you see these are all kde specific bugs that are going being resolved by who knows well the kde source code, kde developers.

In what i can, i will resolve things, for example i have just made a new kdelibs and kdebase that have a new kdm, a konq fix, and other kicker fix, go check in our site.

As Thac told i have been using this kde for more then one month, since it was released in branch_3.5, and just now i decided to realease it, since now i see that is more stable.

If i had released some time ago than you would have many complaines...

Thanks for clarifying . I've been playing with kde 3.5 some and as far as I can see it is good enough for my use. However other people might get annoyed with some of these bugs so it's better to mention them.

Another one: noatun makes arts crash

Another one: noatun makes arts crash

yes we will try to get that fixed

but you can test the new amarok-1.3.4 that i added instead

i did also add latest k3b built with kmonkeyaudioplugin

I have built missing akode-2.0b3 and a new kdemultimedia built with akodes and oggvorbis support.
Please test theese two if it solves any of the multimedia arts bugs.

I´ll try later today. Don´t have time now.

I tried downloading latest packages but got a download error (kdemultimedia wasn't listed at all). I guess you're syncing the mirror. I'll try tomorrow.

Ok installed the latest packages. I´m afraid it didn´t solve the old problems and created a new one: The arts engine for amarok no longer works.

Other then these problems it´s working great. Definately worth the upgrade.

strange the amarok arts engine works here

finally found out what is causing the noatun bug and probably some more related to arts

it as so many times before a gcc bug

anyway zé is building a new kdebase with the workaround added

I will announce when available

I gave kde3.5 a pretty good try on my Mandriva2006-Official. It looked really good, but sound notification, namely arts would not work no matter what I tried. The biggest problem was a steady stream of crash error messages related to kded about every 20 to 30 seconds.
The next problem was a repeat of the early kdm debacle when kde 3.4 was first released. I had to do the same workarounds of installing gdm to use instead of kdm.
When I originally did the 3.5 install (done in init 3), I didn't get the crash messages but by doing a systematic check I found that kdebase-common was not installed. Went into MCC and selected the package and ran the install. It seemed to run mormally but a check revealed that it had not been installed. Tried 5 times, no success. Tried from from a console but still no success.
Took the bull by the horns and did an uninstall of 3.5 and then a reinstall, all from the cli.
This time I watched the entire procedure and discovered that the install passed by 22 packages it had problems with. I kicked the install into motion again and this time 10 packages were bypassed so kicked the install this 3rd time and all packages were finally completed. Had not rebooted but everything seemed to work AOK. Decided to reboot and after getting past the login problem with the usual workaround, then the crash messages started. All referred to kded. Kat was never included in the install so it had nothing to do with it as others have experienced.
I tolerated the crash problem for about 2 days and tried to find what caused it but have now entirely deleted kde3.5 and reinstalled kde3.4. Going back to 3.4 was quite an experience because the system refused to go back to and install older dated software packages initially. So I had to work out a way to get around that problem and to my great pleasure and surprise, I succedded.

I feel a little pleased with myself for having learnt a lot more about the system workings which are becoming much less a mystery to me.
I will still be following kde3.5, it really is nice.

Cheers Thac and collegues. John.

Tip: boot into icewm when you install kde and use the MCC software installer. There are so many KDE packages that you can easily miss one when you use the cli.

And I completey uninstalled KDE 3.4 before I did the upgrade to 3.5.

about the timeouts in download, i would very much recomend using the anorien mirror it has alot better bandwidth.
about the kdm problem if you folllow the install instructions on http://www.mde.djura.org/kde2006.0.html
it should be ok
the trick is the same as with last kde upgrade
or you can do as mandriva officially says is best uninstall kde and then install, but it is not needed easier and faster to do as in weppage.
and about the arts bug there is a serious bug in 2006 gcc making kde built with this gcc have trouble.
see here http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111115
i have taled to the kde devlopers about this and got a workaround that should solve the arts problems
i have only tested with noatun yet and that is fixed.
the new rpms is available now.
remeber the anorien mirror is synced each 15min so it is a little delay for changes.

Hi thac.
It just so happens that I have always preferred the anorien website for at least nearly 12mths now. Every other time I have had rare download problems it was usually other sites.
Good to know I was using the best one.
Interestingly enough I used that kde-kdm-config routine you outlined but this time still got the same original problem. I have only 400mb download limit till the end of the month (3days away)so I'll wait till Tues 1st Nov before trying again. No doubt you will be further advanced again in that time.

Hi devries. I only missed the package initially because I left the procedure run unattended.
Running the install the second time I learned what can and obviously does happen so was able to take care of the problems as they came to light. Lesson :- Auto is good and convenient but not necessarily perfect.
Cheers to you both.
John.

I installed the latest packages. The arts problem is still there. Biggest new problem is that the plastik style has disappeared .

And msn/kopete no longer connects.

That is a msn kde kopete known problem, is already was fixed but seamns they some way activated it again.

about plastik style all is working fine, only happens some themes disappears like for example plastik when your not using qt3 on wich kde was build, so please the rpms you have installed.

cheers

about arts
noatun works now
and about artsdsp opera
the /usr/bin/opera is not an binary it is a wrapperscript so this error is actually correct
artsdsp works if you point it to the real opera location
artsdsp /usr/lib/opera/8.50-20050916.5/opera

Installed latest qt and I have Plastik again. But I still have problems with arts. With latest packages installed I can't start arts from kcontrol. If I start it from a console I got an error: ln /home/my name/.kde/kde-socket points to /tmp/kde-socket instead of /home/my name/kde-socket. If I remove that folder it starts from a console without errors and I can play a game of kolf with sound. However system notifications don't work. The amarok arts engine still doesn't work. Another thing I noticed is that the keymappings don't seem to match. I have a logitech intenet navigator but I have to select a logitech cordless desktop pro for my multimedia keys to work.

edit: after some playing around, don't know what I did, arts starts from kcontrol again and I've got system notifications back.

Queston: Do you know how systemnotificaion can be played through gstreamer: I found the command gst-launch filesrc location=xxx.mp3 ! spider ! alsasink but obviously when I puth that in the playerselection window of knotify it doesn't work.

edit2: problem: the svg preview in the wallpaper selector doesn't show the whole picture but only a part (doesn't autofit the wallpaper in the preview window.)

edit3: QT problem. pyqt no longer 'works' after installing latest qt packages so it not possible to edit superkaramba themes like liquidweather and aero ai that depend on it.

Found the problem why arts wouldn't start: t's the realtime option. With realtime priority enabled arts won't start.

I would like to remember that some bugs are kde specific and only who knows well the kde source code like kde developers, are the ones who better can solve it, and in time they will solve things.

For the rest me and thac will do our best to fix things.

Now i would like to announce that there are new rpms in the usual place like for example kdemultimedia, kdesdk, kdebase that have some bugs fixed like for example the kicker panel clock.

cheers,

Installed latest kdemultimedia packages and now arts crashes when playing testing sound (and with system notifications)

Ah well with the pace you guys bring out new packages it will be solved in the next few days. In contrast to Aussiejohn I have no download limit so nothing to worry about.

Thanks for your sympathy, devries.
Actually my download is unlimited but after 10Gbs it drops to normal dialup speed.
So past that point becomes a real drag. I have been downloading so much via urpmi this present month that I am now just 120Mbs short off the 10Gbs mark but in 21hrs time I will be good to go flat out again.
I think my Telstra Bigpond ADSL is extremely good value and has been fantastically reliable so I am not complaining.

Like yourself, I too am staggered by how fast these men are moving. To them.......

Cheers. John.

ehehehehe
Your welcome

I can remeber the days that my HDs where less then 10Gb. Now with Akregator and BitTorrent I'm downloading that every week or so Combine that with the donloads for KDE 3.5 and I'm amazed my neighbours don't complain (I'm on cable)

Anyway my report after the latest updates: arts works again (though not with realtime priority). Konqueror crashes on some sites (hotmail for example), the pyqt problem is still there (so you can't edit superkaramba themes), the start menu is messed up (probably has to do wth the new package names), the panel config tool is empty (probably because the KDE team is adding config options that are missing). Kontact crashes sometimes

Anyway my report after the latest updates: arts works again (though not with realtime priority).

this requires that you use multimedia kernel that has module to allow this for normal users

or that we make

artsd running suid root = very bad idea

I always had that option checked in kcontrol and used the Mandriva stock kernel. Never had problems with it (perhaps it didn't do anything but arts would still start). Anyway, I guess this is the normal situation and I've got to keep realtime priority unchecked. I used arts a lot when alsa didn't come with dmix enabled as default but nowadays it isn't really neccesary. Right now I use arts is only for the kde system notifications.

yes it should start arts without realtime even if that is set

To announce that today the mirros will be with no kde rpm files because we are building kde-3.5.0-1.pre and also because the last packages had some conflicts.

These conflicts were caused by the last rpms, because they were changed to that way all kde rpms have the same packaging policy and there were some problems to resolve, we are only humans

We ask for your patience, but probably tomorrow the new kde will be released.

greetings,

Some screenshots of KDE 3.5:

The desktop with an SVG wallpaper. Looks very nice.



Tooltips:





Now autohiding the systray. I don't now if it's a good thing. If you move the mouse away from it it hides. That happens even you don't want it to, for example when you want to use Klipper.

Kicker applets:



Amarok integration in Konqueror with the newdanna-lite style:



Konqueror and metabar: now very fast and responsive (in contrast to KDE 3.4). Wish someone would port the newdanna style for it.



The new tooltips



Again kicker applets:

Editing the taskbar. Some options (like hiding applethandels) are missing from the GUI. Still you get the idea



Once again adding applets to kicker:



Playing a video in Konqueror with metabar and kmplayer. Still a problem with autofitting the video in metabar:



The composite engine at work: true transparency



A look at the mandriva start menu . Nothing changed.

Last one (for now): new superkaramba,

All requires and conflicts fixed, new improvements, check at usual place
http://www.mde.djura.org/

When installing kde, dont forget to add the repositories plf and contrib like explained in our kde web page.

I have seen severall post saying that requires this and that, and that the install isnt possible, if you read our web page you would understand why and how to do it.

Thanks for your patient.

greetings,
MDE Team (Mandriva Enhanced Developers - Thac & Zé)

Is there a problem with the mirrors? I've ran the update, but when I check the list of software in the MCC there are no new packages. When I visit the site I can see that there are new packages but when I for example try to install a package by hand I get:



And that is correct because I can't find a libkdeaddons-common on the site.

it seems that zé was in a hurry adding all, he forgot to upload some of the rpms.
He is away for a few days.
i have to rebuild them to add them im working on it right now.

Installed latest packages:

the problems: can't install kdepim because of missing libkdepim2-korganize, the packages depend on the devel docs (not really a problem for me but might be for people with slow connections or limited diskspace), can't install kdebindings-qtpython (and I think I installing that package would solve the qtpython problem) because it conflicts with sip (and therefore with hplip and qtpython that I need for my hp printer).

The good: I really like kde 3.5 and kopete/msn works again.

new kdepim kdetoys added
also missing kdeedu
building missing kdevelop now

Update kde will release kde-3.5 rc1 today i have already checked out the sources so we will start moving from 0.pre to 0.rc1 today.

New screenshots:

Kopete supporting webcam now:



Konqueror passing the acid2 test:



KDE's new mediamanager

Im doing some more dependency cleanup
there is a few rpms that still require main names
that must be replaced with .common since
one of the last changes was to add main name wrappers (that will pull in all meta packages) to all kde parts and move main rpm to -common
probably done tomorrow

PS and about kopete i will try to add the new kopete-0.12 branch even more new features

New rpms coming kde-3.5 is in freeze so the svn source is now kde-3.5 final

New kdenetwork-3.5.0 uploaded with kopete-0.12

it should add some more features

and from now on all new features will only be added to kopete-0.12 the offical kopete in kdenetwork-3.5.0 will only have bugfixes.

new rpms added
among other things new kdenetwork built with kopete-0.12 and added sametime support.

new kdeutils-3.5.0 added, kcalc is back again

new kdepim and kdesdk added

New kdennetwork added also inluded new kopete-0.12 with new features

new arts added that should fix the mcop bug that occured with the last versions of arts rpm

Latest packages: kopete problem: the chatwindow doen't display text.