hey i was just woundering what you thought about bioware will port future games?

It would be nice if they do, but hopefully they won't run into as many problems as they have with Neverwinter Nights

Well.. with the problems they have with NWN.. it will either cause in two things..

1. They learn much about linux game programming and porting and they are more confident in porting their future games, or

2. They learn how much trouble they have in porting NWN and don't even bother in thinking of other version of their future games other than Window$.

Here's hoping for number 1.

Or, they'll realize how ungrateful and whiney all the Linux users are on their forums and they'll just saw "screw it all."

I'm betting on that... I'd really hope it doesn't turn out that way, but I can't see them actually ENJOYING the verbal abuse.

And since we aren't a viable market anyhow, then I don't think they'll have any reason to do it.

I'm just happy they won't cancel NWN for Linux. I have contacted them many times, just telling them that besides all the negativity on their forums there are REAL Linux users out there who do care about their work and don't take it for granted, and aren't bitching about it day in and day out.

ive just been waiting in the mean while ive been messing around with bauldersgate in winex but im haveing problems with the unmounting and my cdrom drive but anyhow i got rune yesterday so no i play heavy metal and rune all day

I have also noticed a lot of negativity on the NWN forums towards the Linux port. I hope it doesn't turn them off from the Linux community as a whole. I also hope that other game companies aren't relying solely on the negative users in the NWN forums and putting off or canceling ports of their own. As you said DOlsen, there is a viable Linux gaming community out here, and we would hate for something like this to tarnish other companies views of us as a whole.

I said we aren't a viable gaming market. And we aren't.

If none of the games that are out there have sold more than 20K copies, then how can we be even be considered as a market?

I have to agree with Dolson, we need to act like responsible consumers if we want to be recognized. This means no downloading a warez copy of Quake and running it on your Linux box. It means that if you want a game, you buy it, and you try to get a Linux version (not "oh well, they don't have it at Best Buy, so **** it", but "hey, I'm gonna e-mail everybody I can and ask very politely but firmly that they acknowledge me as a Linux user").

We are on the road to something great here. Next Christmas we could have boxes of Linux games under our pagan tree-goddess, and that would be very very good (<cough> doom3 <cough>).

I just sent Bioware an e-mail saying that I intend to support their company by buying a copy of Neverwinter Nights when the Linux client is released. I also encouraged them to port other titles as well and indicated that if they continued to port titles, that I would continue buying their products.

No way am I waiting till Christmas for Doom III!!!!!

But anyhow, yeah, don't warez the games you can buy from TuxGames.

I mean, don't warez games.

I mean, don't pay for crap that sucks.

I try a few games before I buy them. If they suck, I delete them. If they don't suck, I buy them.

For instance, Kohan by Transgaming. Tried it, it sucks. Mindrover, tried it, couldn't figure it out, but since it's not a Transgaming "port" I'm gonna buy it.

Or something.

I'd like to see figures, if they're available, on who bought UT2003 because it had a Linux installer. You're right, though; but I don't see major companies just giving up on Linux as a gaming platform. There will come a time that Bill Gates does something so outlandish that people will start looking for alternatives. Those people will still want their games, and hopefully game companies will stand up and take notice of that.

That said, I'm not waiting until Christmas for Doom 3 either, I'm buying it from Tuxgames as soon as it's available.

This has already happened. It's called Transgaming, and it's bringing warez kiddies to Linux. Well, enough of that. I think we should fight back by warezing their software. But then again, their software sucks, so that idea won't work.

Oh, and you can email Epic and ask them approximately how many people have contacted them and/or purchased from TuxGames, but I don't know if they'll respond. I still doubt it's over 20K. The sales at TuxGames were worst in November, and that's about when it came out, so what's that tell you? Plus a lot of people don't even know that the client is in the box (if you have a DVD case version and you live in America, good for you!).

I mean real ports, not Transgaming or warez. Something tangible, native, and most importantly; legal.

But enough about that. I do agree with you that Linux gaming is not as big as it could be, but it's come a long way in a relatively short period of time. Hopefully it will keep going.

Linux is gathering a lot of momentum. It happens every few years or so. The Linux desktop has finally made it to the point where it is fairly close to the Windoze desktop in usability and installation has gotten much easier to the point where the computer savy are trying it out.

Eventually there will be enough critical mass to warrant major producers to think of Linux as a major player in as a gaming system. It already has the mechanics (OpenGL, sound support, USB support, rock-solid networking and stable OS underneath). It's just the bells and whistles that need work (ease of installation, more hardware support).

We are not there yet. I wish we were.

LGP is taking too long to port games - they have about 2 or 3 more games after Disciples 2 that they are releasing, but this will take a long time.

That SUCKS for us, but it's good for THEM.

They are the ones that matter in this case, since they don't want to follow Loki to the grave. I don't blame them for this. But time goes not nearly fast enough for my liking.

It's never fast or good enough for us..

Heck.. you know what I want.. I want a cheat machine (usually a program that searches a particular number or state in the ram area of where the program is runned, then change the ram state for a number and make it stuck.. think a game genie for linux). Yeah.. I like to cheat during playing games.. but so what? It's my game.. I want to play the way I want it.. and there is nothing more satisfying than plowing through AI monsters with overwhelming power... muahahahahahahahaha

Ahem.. anyway.. anyone know a program like that for linux?

yeah i read everyday on slashdot and post about it on my site about all the new crap microsoft is trying to pull to keep people away from linux

Hmm... I don't know if Valgrind will do it or not, but that's the first thing that comes to mind. Maybe check into that.

Hey does anyone know???...

Bioware is working on Star Wars, Knights of the Old Republic on EcchsBox and PC. Is it based on the Neverwinter Nights engine??? And if so, have they addressed the issue of a Linux client port for it???

Fro the screen shots, it looks to be a hot game, very hot!!!

Email them. I'd contact the CEO about it.

I think I may, even though I don't like Star Wars.

I don't think it will happen though, especially after the verbal abuse they take in their own forums.

His name is ray. And you know that BioWare email addresses end with @bioware.com...

Well, I can't do that from work because we have a filter that prevents us from accessing sites which qualify as game sites, so I'd have to access it from home.

We should start a campaign of Mandrake users that applaud them for their hard work they've done in making Neverwinter Night's Linux client. Maybe the abuse they take in their forums won't have quite the sting then...

...And what do you mean, you "don't like Star Wars"!?!?!?!?!
How can you not like Star Wars???

Star wars is great, but this new trend of pop star wars hitting the theaters lately can quit it. I bet there will be some cool things in episode 3 because of how dark it'll need to be. Regardless, DOlsen - you don't like the games? Jedi Knight II is great! And now an in-depth RPG? I'll take two!! (Supposing they make a linux installer...)

Well, how the hell would I know? I only buy Linux games, and no Star Wars game is a Linux game yet.

LOL! Ah I see! That makes it all clear to me now!

Hey, but Star Wars Epsiodes I & II are out on DVD (even for rent or previously viewed, which is a great way to buy them) and you can watch them in Xine,...

So you CAN know about Star Wars from Linux...

Yes, but he asked me about Jedi Knight II - a fairly recent Windows game.

I will NOT watch the crappy movies. No.

What we DO need is a Star Trek game. Heh.

Oh, I got Kohan today. Cool cool game.

yes, i have a copt of starwarez dvd runnin in linux :-P hah

Now.. what are some good Star Trek games out there? Really, I am curious..

None. What I said is that we need some. Or one even. It would be awesome, but only if it was based on TNG.

WAIT A MINUTE!!!!

You DON'T like STAR WARS,...
You obviously haven't played any version of Starfleet Command (1, 2 or 3)
AND you think Star Trek: The PEPSI Generation is the best era of Trek out there???

DeForest Kelly is rolling over in his grave.

DOlson, you must be in your 20s or something,... SHEESH!!!

Seriously though, pick up a copy of Starfleet Command 1 or 2 if you duel boot to windoze. It's as good as Trek gaming can probably get (haven't picked up SFC 3 yet though, so I don't know).

I just prefer the TNG guys. Nemesis was an awesome movie. I am not a fan of Star Trek or Star Wars, but if I had to pick, I'd definitely choose Star Trek.

Oh, and I don't dual boot, and I don't use WineX. NOW GO AND DOWNLOAD MACHINEBALL.

DOlson,

If it makes you any more of a fan, ILM used Linux machines, in large part, to render Attack of the Clones. They were cheaper than the Silicon Graphics workstations that they had used for Phantom Menace.

So just mentally substitute Tux for Yoda (and Bill Gates for Darth Tyranus, while your at it) in the lightsaber battle sequence and the end, and you can have your own personal fantasy.