aze
Dec 25 2003, 02:44 AM
What desktop do you use?
liquidzoo
Dec 25 2003, 03:46 AM
It depends. Gnome on my desktop, but I voted other simply becaust I use my laptop way more than my desktop and I run Fluxbox there.
scoopy
Dec 25 2003, 05:39 AM
KDE, mostly cause it is what I started using with MDK 8.0 when gnome was too slow and just stuck with it cause I got used to it.
Ixthusdan
Dec 25 2003, 06:05 AM
kde
DOlson
Dec 25 2003, 07:30 AM
Gnome, because it looks hot, and Novell is doubling the number of paid developers for Gnome, plus it's an official GNU project, and because the bounties out there that are being hunted are going to improve Gnome's tightness with my favorite apps, such as Evolution and Gaim.
aze
Dec 25 2003, 12:48 PM
I preffer KDE because its interface is easy. also its filemanager [konqueror] is better than gnome
bvc
Dec 25 2003, 04:00 PM
I use to hate nautilus but like everything else in gnome it takes a little setting up.Once you do and you master its drag and drop capabilities it's actually awesome IMO.
kuchwas
Dec 25 2003, 08:13 PM
Fluxbox 90%
IceWM 8%
KDE 2% - only for Cooker testing
iphitus
Dec 25 2003, 11:54 PM
I'm a wm ho. I change all the time.
But Fluxbox is my fav.
Gnome is also one i like
Havent tried wmaker yet.. must do so.
Germ
Dec 26 2003, 12:50 AM
Mostly KDE, but I use XFce quite a bit.
tyme
Dec 26 2003, 01:22 AM
GNOME all the way, althought I used to be a big fluxbox fan...but GNOME goodness made it's way into my desktop.
mandrake_alf
Dec 26 2003, 03:24 AM
I use KDE but only until GNOME catches up. Using a linux app that isn't based completely on 'free oss' worrys me... who knows when or if the owners of those 'loaned libraries' will decide they want a piece of the action and ask for royalities? After all, we can't expect everyone to be as kind to the OSS community as Sun was when they donated the StarOffice code (but not the name) so development in the OS community coule continue under a different name while they turned it into a 'corporate' product...
Sooo... as much as I may like KDE (for now) my site is set on GNOME... i cant' wait till they have some apps that rival KOOKA, K3B and a few others that I find to be 'best of class' for their functionality..
sud_crow
Dec 27 2003, 04:33 AM
Other=
Now im using Enlightenment 0.16.6 a while back used XFce4 for about 2 months and a while back used Fluxbox for about 2 month too, before those i used KDE, wich i didnt like coz it was way to heavy and way to similar to windows, but i was too much of a newbee to be jumping from a desktop to another...
Anyway, i started trying E16 a couple of days ago so i cant say much, except is the best WM i have tryed yet... and i will try E17 this hollidays...
iphitus
Dec 27 2003, 09:43 AM
QUOTE (sud_crow @ Dec 27 2003, 02:33 PM)
Other=
Now im using Enlightenment 0.16.6 a while back used XFce4 for about 2 months and a while back used Fluxbox for about 2 month too, before those i used KDE, wich i didnt like coz it was way to heavy and way to similar to windows, but i was too much of a newbee to be jumping from a desktop to another...
Anyway, i started trying E16 a couple of days ago so i cant say much, except is the best WM i have tryed yet... and i will try E17 this hollidays...
Good luck with E17, its very very different. I am going to jump onto the E17 CVS when I get my new lappy.
The first I used was KDE, as with everyone. I got sick of it very quickly, looked at GNOME and hated it. I tried this wierd thingo called Enlightenment and I was hooked. I used this for a few months, then this Fluxbox came by. I tried that and got hooked on it too. Mainly coz I was sick of my E16 themes and the interface. Ive been using Flux mainly since then, with occasional uses of GNOME and once a stint on XFCE4. I tend to mix and match too, Gnome panel in fluxbox and the like.
ATM im fluxbox with GNOME panels.
chin808
Dec 27 2003, 10:52 PM
QUOTE (bvc @ Dec 25 2003, 04:00 PM)
I use to hate nautilus but like everything else in gnome it takes a little setting up.Once you do and you master its drag and drop capabilities it's actually awesome IMO.
Why do I read so many posts about how peeps dont like nautilus? I think its nifty, heck, its borderline swell
bvc
Dec 27 2003, 11:03 PM
QUOTE (chin808 @ Dec 27 2003, 04:52 PM)
I think its nifty, heck, its borderline swell

not boarderline....IS swell!
ShadowFoxLSU
Dec 28 2003, 01:13 AM
I love Gnome. i use it on both my laptop and my desktop. But for my old P133/166 I use IceWM.
chin808
Dec 28 2003, 05:26 AM
QUOTE (bvc @ Dec 27 2003, 11:03 PM)
QUOTE (chin808 @ Dec 27 2003, 04:52 PM)
I think its nifty, heck, its borderline swell

not boarderline....IS swell!
HECK YEA! Lets get back to our root party bvc!
phunni
Dec 31 2003, 05:30 PM
Fluxbox here. I've tried a few others and I just can't find anything that's better.
It's mostly the slit (place on my desktop for running dockable apps) which I would find hard to live without on other desktops...
iNFERiON
Jan 1 2004, 12:59 AM
I used to run KDE, as my very first Linux was SuSE LiveEval, so I used to work with that. Then I tried Red Hat 9 for some time and learned my way around GNOME, which for some way I prefer above KDE, I think because it has a little more mature look, not the XP-like kiddie style. And I agree with chin, Nautilus is one fine filebrowser, nothing wrong it.
illogic-al
Jan 5 2004, 06:01 PM
QUOTE (mandrake_alf @ Dec 25 2003, 10:24 PM)
I use KDE but only until GNOME catches up. Using a linux app that isn't based completely on 'free oss' worrys me... who knows when or if the owners of those 'loaned libraries' will decide they want a piece of the action and ask for royalities? After all, we can't expect everyone to be as kind to the OSS community as Sun was when they donated the StarOffice code (but not the name) so development in the OS community coule continue under a different name while they turned it into a 'corporate' product...
Sooo... as much as I may like KDE (for now) my site is set on GNOME... i cant' wait till they have some apps that rival KOOKA, K3B and a few others that I find to be 'best of class' for their functionality..
that's been taken care of a long time. absolutely no chance of that happening. BTW
KDE. IT ROCKS!!!!!!!!
Andrewski
Jan 5 2004, 07:14 PM
Other = XFCE4. Small and light, yet with more functionality than fluxbox.
kuchwas
Jan 5 2004, 10:15 PM
Anyone played with Ion?
Here is the description:
Summary: Tiling window manager with keyboard-oriented interface.
Description: Ion was written as an experiment on a different kind of window man- agement model and it tries to address the navigation problem by hav- ing the screen divided into frames that take up the whole screen and never overlap.
Read the manpage or go nuts
Well...... man-page or no, iz a goin nutz er
phunni
Jan 6 2004, 10:17 AM
Anyone know a way of getting the slit in Fluxbox to work in other dekstop environments? Can't you use flux as the wm for things like gnome or xfce4? Would this enable the slit in those contexts?
Qchem
Jan 6 2004, 10:37 AM
I'm using Gnome (2.4) with bluecurve and it's nice!!! I'm not a fan of nautilus but then I hate using file managers, if I have to use anything it's mc.
I used to be a big fan of fluxbox but then I found my excessive tinkering habit meant I was getting less work done because I kept trying to make it look better or work that bit better.
fluxbox wherever I have a linux graphical account
iphitus
Jan 6 2004, 01:54 PM
QUOTE (phunni @ Jan 6 2004, 08:17 PM)
Anyone know a way of getting the slit in Fluxbox to work in other dekstop environments? Can't you use flux as the wm for things like gnome or xfce4? Would this enable the slit in those contexts?
Yep, i did something on the board about this earlier..it was in tips and tricks.
ANyway, for XFCE (Assuming you use GDM)
Edit: /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/Xfce4
from:
CODE
/usr/bin/xfce-mcs-manager
/usr/bin/xfwm4 --daemon
/usr/bin/xftaskbar4 &
/usr/bin/xfdesktop &
exec /usr/bin/xfce4-panel
to:
CODE
/usr/bin/xfce-mcs-manager
/usr/bin/fluxbox
/usr/bin/xftaskbar4 &
/usr/bin/xfdesktop &
exec /usr/bin/xfce4-panel
or at least, thats how it works for me in debian. If the initial XFCE file is different, make a new onei n that directory then add the second quote into it, chmod 777 and it should appear in GDM. Occasionally i have heard of it losing it's execute permissions, so you might need to setup a cronjob that restores em.
Darkelve
Jan 6 2004, 02:48 PM
Now that we're talking desktops, I like both KDE and XFCE4. But one thing I noticed is that, when I somehow trashed some of my settings for X (you know, when you try to log in through xdm, it fails and you get dropped to a text console). I could not start any windowmakers, not KDE, not Gnome, not WindowMaker and not blackbox...
but I *could* always start XFCE, without problems!? Does it not rely on X, or in another way somehow?
In any case, in these situations, XFCE pretty much saved my butt. XFCE, Gnome-Commander, an Xterm and the 'launch program' command was really all I needed to keep going...
So is this due to some fundamental difference in design or setup or what?? It's somewhat mysterious to me now...
Andrewski
Jan 7 2004, 04:34 AM
Not sure about this, Darkelve, but I *think* that XFCE has a built-in option for starting X if it's not already up. I did a bit of low-level tinkering in the startxfce4 file (forget now where it is!) and noticed something there. Maybe you could make a script with that excerpt of code for your WM of choice... or just keep using XFCE.
liquidzoo
Jan 7 2004, 06:47 AM
QUOTE (kuchwas @ Jan 5 2004, 03:15 PM)
Anyone played with Ion?
Here is the description:
Summary: Tiling window manager with keyboard-oriented interface.
Description: Ion was written as an experiment on a different kind of window man- agement model and it tries to address the navigation problem by hav- ing the screen divided into frames that take up the whole screen and never overlap.
Read the manpage or go nuts
Well...... man-page or no, iz a goin nutz er

Got a link to a homepage?
kuchwas
Jan 7 2004, 07:41 AM
Well, I used "urpmi ion"
Google for "ion window manager" gave me
http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/
DOlson
Feb 15 2004, 05:21 AM
I tried Ion. Didn't like it, but I didn't give it a fair chance either. I prefer my eye-candy Gnome.
On one of my older systems (I just got two of them, IIRC they are both P233s) I use Blackbox through VNC.
bvc
Feb 15 2004, 08:10 AM
QUOTE (DOlson @ Feb 14 2004, 11:21 PM)
I tried Ion. Didn't like it, but I didn't give it a fair chance either.
Same here

What is that...that....that, thing? A wm? There wasn't....well, anything

/uninstalled
BTW, I can't change my vote from gnome but I'm all kde now. Lost all my good stuff and don't feel like spending the time to get it back. I know....bkup!....the tarball was there but I forgot to transfer it through the network

/formated over it. So, it's kde4me

...for now.
spiedra
Feb 15 2004, 10:20 AM
Nautilis is so slow. I mainly use Fluxbox with ROX Desktop, sometimes KDE just for a change.
TopDog
Feb 15 2004, 12:16 PM
I use KDE on my desktop because I like the feel and look of it very much.
Gnome on my very old laptop because I wanted to test it to (can't get it to work on my desktop).
Been thinking about trying Fluxbox on my very old laptop, but haven't gotten around to it yet.
Ronin
Feb 16 2004, 11:01 AM
Fluxbox baby. It's the only way to fly.
DOlson
Feb 17 2004, 09:37 AM
Wow, scary... I was listening to a song, and that head-banging smiley struck me as odd, since it was banging in time with the beat of the song... Eerie.
nggalai
Feb 17 2004, 09:58 PM
Hi there,
first, it's "Window Maker" and not "WindoMaker".

Second, you're comparing apples to oranges, here. Window Maker is nothing but a window manager, as are Fluxbox, Ion, and XFCE4 (among others mentioned in this thread). GNOME and KDE are both desktop environments and application frameworks. Hence, if you include Window Maker in that poll, you'd have to write "sawfish" instead of "GNOME" and "kwin" instead of "KDE" as those are the default window managers with those environments. Anyway.
I usually use GNUstep as my main application framework / desktop environment, with Window Maker as window manager. As GNUstep is still rather, shall we say experimental? as a desktop environment, there aren't too many applications around, hence I need to use loads of application wrappers. But at least the look and feel is consistent.

93,
-Sascha.rb
jlc
Feb 17 2004, 10:31 PM
I'm always confused and don't know what i'm using.
Some kinda gui thing with windows and stuff all over the place.
chris z
Feb 17 2004, 10:50 PM
KDE since day one..........still stuck in KDE land. tried Gnome a few times, but i didn't like it at all. toy with Flux now & then, but it's still a bit beyond my comprehension, usabilty wise. same with WindowMaker. so, i'm content & quite happy with my KDE.
Chris
bvc
Feb 18 2004, 12:13 AM
QUOTE (nggalai @ Feb 17 2004, 03:58 PM)
Hi there,
first, it's "Window Maker" and not "WindoMaker".

Second, you're comparing apples to oranges, here. Window Maker is nothing but a window manager, as are Fluxbox, Ion, and XFCE4 (among others mentioned in this thread). GNOME and KDE are both desktop environments and application frameworks. Hence, if you include Window Maker in that poll, you'd have to write "sawfish" instead of "GNOME" and "kwin" instead of "KDE" as those are the default window managers with those environments. Anyway.
I usually use GNUstep as my main application framework / desktop environment, with Window Maker as window manager. As GNUstep is still rather, shall we say experimental? as a desktop environment, there aren't too many applications around, hence I need to use loads of application wrappers. But at least the look and feel is consistent.

93,
-Sascha.rb
First, desktop includes all. It doesn't ask what de you use.
Second, no one should be comparing with each other.....it's just a poll where ppl state what they use.
Third, sawfish and kwin are useless on their own so they couldn't be listed on thier own.
We download
WindowMaker... so one word is fine.....it's just mispelled in the poll.
jlc
Feb 18 2004, 12:46 AM
nggalai
Feb 18 2004, 07:55 AM
Good morning everybody,
QUOTE
We download
WindowMaker. so one word is fine.....it's just mispelled in the poll.
Oop, sorry about, should have been a bit clearer with that one. I was only referring to the typo, not the space (even though the WM guys needed to change the name to Window Maker with a space included due to copyright restrictions).
As for the rest of your post--you're right, of course. I was just goofing off, hence the smileys.

Still, I am always surprised how many users believe they can't use GNOME or KDE applications whithout actually using the GNOME / KDE desktop environments ... hence I felt like I needed to add that bit to the current thread.
93,
-Sascha.rb
crock
Feb 21 2004, 07:14 AM
Tried both KDE and Gnome. Gnome first, then KDE.
KDE gets the nod since its better equipped for handling themes and theme changes.
jlc
Feb 21 2004, 02:50 PM
QUOTE (crock @ Feb 21 2004, 01:14 AM)
Tried both KDE and Gnome. Gnome first, then KDE.
KDE gets the nod since its better equipped for handling themes and theme changes.
I could careless if you use kde, but what do you mean by "handling themes and theme changes"??
I always found it pretty simple to change a theme in Gnome, are you speaking on a deeper level?
AnJellyCue
Mar 14 2004, 02:54 PM
Hey All,
After using KDE since RH 7.2, i switched to Gnome. but these days i use xfce on mandrake 9.2,
it isnt that bad, if anyone knows of another Window Manager that is like this, small and powerfull yet funky enough to customize then id like to know about it,
also i am fond of Running TWM with the gnome-panel
Enjoy !!
tyme
Mar 15 2004, 12:11 AM
i actually used to have a link t a page that had a whole list of DE's and WM's, let me see if i can find it for ya...
http://xwinman.org/ <-has an extensive list of WM's and DE's, I haven't used much aside from gnome, xfce4, kde, and fluxbox myself...but that should give you a good start of things to check out

oh yes, and welcome to the board!
WSGrant
Mar 29 2004, 05:31 AM
QUOTE (aze @ Dec 24 2003, 10:44 PM)
What desktop do you use?
Gnome.............I have played with KDE but I always end up going back to Gnome. Don't flame me but KDE just feels and looks like a box of crayons.
nocturnes
Jul 2 2004, 02:31 PM
FLuxbox - I have been unable to find anything I like more, despite being a bit of a whore for changing. I keep returning to Flux with Rox as the file manager.
I found both KDE and Gnome too heavy to use.
idud
Jul 6 2004, 02:24 AM
KDE for president.....
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